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Chitchat Ugly Cougar Repeated Loser Oppie Albatross Upset That PAP MPs Can Balance MP And PA Grassroots Advisor Duties So Well!

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
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By Jeannette Chong-Aruldoss

The troubling spectre of elderly Singaporeans doing menial jobs like cleaning toilets, pushing rubbish carts, collecting cardboards and wiping tables at hawker centres, has become all too common these days and doubtless weighs heavy on the minds and conscience of many Singaporeans.

Financial Support for the Elderly Poor

Voicing questions which I believe many of us have, a concerned resident took the mic at a South-East Community Development Council (CDC) conference on 2 Aug 2018 [1] to ask whether elderly Singaporeans were being forced to work at manual jobs “just to survive” and whether the Government could provide a pension scheme to meet the basic financial needs of the elderly. He also wondered if such a pension scheme could be funded by a marginal cut on the defence budget or by cutting Ministerial salaries by 10%.

As the resident from Braddell Heights, put it: “I think not many people will believe you if you say that elderly work because they want to mix, because they want to do exercise. Perhaps they work because they need to work."

Grassroots Adviser Lim Biow Chuan responded to the resident’s concerns as follows:

For the elderly, the Government has the Silver Support Scheme, which “does help quite a number of our seniors”;
For low-income citizens, “the Government does take quite good care of you. There are actually many, many schemes to help look after those who are poor”; and
For elderly who are not poor but wish to work, “I personally think it is a good thing, because if not, then what do you expect the elderly to do at home?”

Wearing Two Hats

To best understand Lim Biow Chuan’s response, we need to recognise that he wears two hats. He is both:

Adviser to Mountbatten Grassroots Organisations under the People’s Association (PA); and
Member of Parliament (MP) for Mountbatten SMC.

The two hats are distinct roles, which do not fit as one.

The role of an MP is to be the voice of the people in Parliament. The MP’s job is to channel feedback, grievances and issues from his constituents to the government of the day. Voters expect their MPs to advocate their concerns, to champion their issues and to hold the Government accountable for their decisions and for their deployment of public funds.

On the other hand, the PA’s key role is to promote, explain and defend government policies and programmes to Singaporeans. In effect, the PA is the Government’s apologist i.e. the Government’s defender and spokesperson. The Grassroots Adviser’s job is to help the PA to carry out its said role.

Clearly, the MP’s role is set to clash with his concurrent job as Grassroots Adviser when it comes to unpopular Government policies. While voters expect their MPs to champion their grievances with Government policies, the PA expects their Grassroots Advisers to promote and defend those very same policies.

The fact that the two hats do not fit as one, is proven by the PA’s refusal to appoint non-PAP MPs as their Grassroots Advisers. The PA has flatly refused to have non-PAP MPs as their Grassroots Advisers on the basis that non-PAP MPs cannot be expected to champion all Government policies - good and bad - in the way that PAP MPs can be relied on to do so.[2]

The Braddell Heights resident raised a very valid concern, but the occasion on which he raised his concern was at a Southeast CDC Conference. CDCs are part of the PA.

I do not blame the Braddell Heights resident if he was confused. He saw his MPs before him and he must have thought that as his MPs they would listen, carry his voice to Parliament and advocate for change.

“The Government does take quite good care of you”

Instead, the resident got a show-and-tell. Right on the mark, Lim Biow Chuan responded to the resident by assuring him that the Government already has the Silver Support Scheme, which “does help quite a number of our seniors”; and for low-income citizens, “the Government does take quite good care of you. There are actually many, many schemes to help look after those who are poor”.

After explaining what the Government was already doing for the elderly and the poor, Lim Biow Chuan then went on to exhort his listeners not to shirk from their own personal responsibilities towards their aged, by saying:

“My sense is always that we shouldn’t always look to the government to solve the issues of the elderly. It is every child’s responsibility to look after their parents, because your parents looked after you when you are young. To all those who are getting elderly, I hope that you don’t think that your children should not look after you. These are their responsibilities. And this is what filial piety is all about."

Of course, children have a moral duty to care for their parents. But the Government also has a social responsibility towards the elderly. Taking care of the elderly is a joint responsibility of both the young and the State.

The needs of the elderly encompass medical, physical, emotional as well as financial. Indeed, very few of us can comfortably shoulder the entire burden of all those needs. It is not unreasonable to expect the State has to share a meaningful portion of the burden. After all, we pay a lot in taxes and we expect our hard-earned monies to be spent on the public.

Instead of calling on the Government do to their part and to do more for the elderly, we see the MP asking his constituents NOT to look to the Government to solve the issues of the elderly. The MP was more focussed on ensuring that the individual does not shirk his personal responsibility for his parents. I would have preferred my MP to be more bent on ensuring that our Government does not evade their responsibility towards our elderly citizens.

“Ministers are not paid enough”

What the Braddell Heights resident wanted to know, was whether the Government could alleviate the financial hardship of the elderly by a pension scheme, and whether the pension scheme could be funded by reducing Ministerial salaries.

As if to ensure that any thought of cutting Ministerial salaries is buried 6 feet underground, Lim Biow Chuan’s tag team-mate, Grassroots Adviser Goh Chok Tong took the mic to rebuke the resident for suggesting Ministerial salaries be cut to fund a pension scheme for the elderly:

“Had you suggested to up GST by 2 per cent and give them the pension, I would have applauded you. Seriously. Because you are then taxing the whole society to support older ones. But you did not. You said cut from defence, 1 per cent is enough. And on top of that, you said cut Ministers’ salaries. That is very populist. I am telling you the Ministers are not paid enough, and down the road, we are going to get a problem with getting people to join the government because civil servants now earn more than Ministers. Are you aware of that?”

Citizens are short-changed

Citizens need to know that when they vote in a PAP MP, they are adding staff to the PA’s already well-staffed and well-funded Machinery, a Machinery designed to defend the Government’s decisions and to convince citizens to accept them.

Having been co-opted into the PA, PAP MPs cannot fully perform their role as your voice in Parliament. They cannot challenge Government policies, ask difficult questions or hold the Government to account for how they deploy public funds, without having regard to their obligations to the PA – which is on top of their obligations to the Party Whip.

Citizens need to know that when PAP MPs go around their constituency making house visits and meeting residents, they do so in their capacity as Grassroots Advisers, not as political MPs.

As Grassroots Advisers, their job is to promote, explain and defend existing Government policies. Even questionable policies - such as sky-scraper high ministerial salaries and shamefully inadequate help for the elderly poor – stand to be vigorously defended by PAP MPs working with the PA Machinery.

Citizens need to know that so long as the PA continues to appoint PAP MPs as their Grassroots Advisers, and thereby co-opting them into their Machinery to bolster their role as the Government’s apologist, constituents will be denied the full measure of the advocate, activist and political leader that they had voted for.

We are short-changed. Instead of being the People’s Voice, our PAP MPs defect from serving our cause to become the PA’s Voice. Bearing in mind that the PA are servants of the PAP Government, the PAP MPs end up as the PAP’s Voice.

Cloaked by the pretext of promoting social cohesion, the PA has the effect of distorting our democratic system to the advantage of the ruling party.

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2018/08/15/the-peoples-voice-or-the-paps-voice/
 

jw5

Moderator
Moderator
Loyal
Please do not expect too much from anyone who is both an Adviser to his Grassroots Organisations under the People’s Association (PA) and Member of Parliament (MP). :wink:
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
PA is PAP without the last P. It's a well known fact, but they will deny it until the cows come home.
 

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Please do not expect too much from anyone who is both an Adviser to his Grassroots Organisations under the People’s Association (PA) and Member of Parliament (MP). :wink:

On the contrary, much more is expected from a PAP cadre or MP as compared to an oppie. A PAP MP or cadre is expected to serve for free as grassroots advisors, which include sacrificing weekday evenings and weekends on a regular basis to do constituency grassroots work. In recent years, we also expect PAP MPs to serve for free as Labour MPs, working with labour unions and trade associations to uphold labour rights and keep retrenchment to a minimum.

Oppies, on the other hand, only need to show up for elections once every five years. Other than that, they can while the time away on a daily basis, with no one expecting them to show up weekly for any sort of volunteer work.
 

zhihau

Super Moderator
SuperMod
Asset
Oppies, on the other hand, only need to show up for elections once every five years. Other than that, they can while the time away on a daily basis, with no one expecting them to show up weekly for any sort of volunteer work.

I've seen Pritam at Pasar Makan countless times in the morning, can't say much for Loser Lye :whistling::whistling::whistling:
 

Kopi0Kosong

Alfrescian
Loyal
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By Jeannette Chong-Aruldoss

The troubling spectre of elderly Singaporeans doing menial jobs like cleaning toilets, pushing rubbish carts, collecting cardboards and wiping tables at hawker centres, has become all too common these days and doubtless weighs heavy on the minds and conscience of many Singaporeans.

Financial Support for the Elderly Poor

Voicing questions which I believe many of us have, a concerned resident took the mic at a South-East Community Development Council (CDC) conference on 2 Aug 2018 [1] to ask whether elderly Singaporeans were being forced to work at manual jobs “just to survive” and whether the Government could provide a pension scheme to meet the basic financial needs of the elderly. He also wondered if such a pension scheme could be funded by a marginal cut on the defence budget or by cutting Ministerial salaries by 10%.

As the resident from Braddell Heights, put it: “I think not many people will believe you if you say that elderly work because they want to mix, because they want to do exercise. Perhaps they work because they need to work."

Grassroots Adviser Lim Biow Chuan responded to the resident’s concerns as follows:

For the elderly, the Government has the Silver Support Scheme, which “does help quite a number of our seniors”;
For low-income citizens, “the Government does take quite good care of you. There are actually many, many schemes to help look after those who are poor”; and
For elderly who are not poor but wish to work, “I personally think it is a good thing, because if not, then what do you expect the elderly to do at home?”

Wearing Two Hats

To best understand Lim Biow Chuan’s response, we need to recognise that he wears two hats. He is both:

Adviser to Mountbatten Grassroots Organisations under the People’s Association (PA); and
Member of Parliament (MP) for Mountbatten SMC.

The two hats are distinct roles, which do not fit as one.

The role of an MP is to be the voice of the people in Parliament. The MP’s job is to channel feedback, grievances and issues from his constituents to the government of the day. Voters expect their MPs to advocate their concerns, to champion their issues and to hold the Government accountable for their decisions and for their deployment of public funds.

On the other hand, the PA’s key role is to promote, explain and defend government policies and programmes to Singaporeans. In effect, the PA is the Government’s apologist i.e. the Government’s defender and spokesperson. The Grassroots Adviser’s job is to help the PA to carry out its said role.

Clearly, the MP’s role is set to clash with his concurrent job as Grassroots Adviser when it comes to unpopular Government policies. While voters expect their MPs to champion their grievances with Government policies, the PA expects their Grassroots Advisers to promote and defend those very same policies.

The fact that the two hats do not fit as one, is proven by the PA’s refusal to appoint non-PAP MPs as their Grassroots Advisers. The PA has flatly refused to have non-PAP MPs as their Grassroots Advisers on the basis that non-PAP MPs cannot be expected to champion all Government policies - good and bad - in the way that PAP MPs can be relied on to do so.[2]

The Braddell Heights resident raised a very valid concern, but the occasion on which he raised his concern was at a Southeast CDC Conference. CDCs are part of the PA.

I do not blame the Braddell Heights resident if he was confused. He saw his MPs before him and he must have thought that as his MPs they would listen, carry his voice to Parliament and advocate for change.

“The Government does take quite good care of you”

Instead, the resident got a show-and-tell. Right on the mark, Lim Biow Chuan responded to the resident by assuring him that the Government already has the Silver Support Scheme, which “does help quite a number of our seniors”; and for low-income citizens, “the Government does take quite good care of you. There are actually many, many schemes to help look after those who are poor”.

After explaining what the Government was already doing for the elderly and the poor, Lim Biow Chuan then went on to exhort his listeners not to shirk from their own personal responsibilities towards their aged, by saying:

“My sense is always that we shouldn’t always look to the government to solve the issues of the elderly. It is every child’s responsibility to look after their parents, because your parents looked after you when you are young. To all those who are getting elderly, I hope that you don’t think that your children should not look after you. These are their responsibilities. And this is what filial piety is all about."

Of course, children have a moral duty to care for their parents. But the Government also has a social responsibility towards the elderly. Taking care of the elderly is a joint responsibility of both the young and the State.

The needs of the elderly encompass medical, physical, emotional as well as financial. Indeed, very few of us can comfortably shoulder the entire burden of all those needs. It is not unreasonable to expect the State has to share a meaningful portion of the burden. After all, we pay a lot in taxes and we expect our hard-earned monies to be spent on the public.

Instead of calling on the Government do to their part and to do more for the elderly, we see the MP asking his constituents NOT to look to the Government to solve the issues of the elderly. The MP was more focussed on ensuring that the individual does not shirk his personal responsibility for his parents. I would have preferred my MP to be more bent on ensuring that our Government does not evade their responsibility towards our elderly citizens.

“Ministers are not paid enough”

What the Braddell Heights resident wanted to know, was whether the Government could alleviate the financial hardship of the elderly by a pension scheme, and whether the pension scheme could be funded by reducing Ministerial salaries.

As if to ensure that any thought of cutting Ministerial salaries is buried 6 feet underground, Lim Biow Chuan’s tag team-mate, Grassroots Adviser Goh Chok Tong took the mic to rebuke the resident for suggesting Ministerial salaries be cut to fund a pension scheme for the elderly:

“Had you suggested to up GST by 2 per cent and give them the pension, I would have applauded you. Seriously. Because you are then taxing the whole society to support older ones. But you did not. You said cut from defence, 1 per cent is enough. And on top of that, you said cut Ministers’ salaries. That is very populist. I am telling you the Ministers are not paid enough, and down the road, we are going to get a problem with getting people to join the government because civil servants now earn more than Ministers. Are you aware of that?”

Citizens are short-changed

Citizens need to know that when they vote in a PAP MP, they are adding staff to the PA’s already well-staffed and well-funded Machinery, a Machinery designed to defend the Government’s decisions and to convince citizens to accept them.

Having been co-opted into the PA, PAP MPs cannot fully perform their role as your voice in Parliament. They cannot challenge Government policies, ask difficult questions or hold the Government to account for how they deploy public funds, without having regard to their obligations to the PA – which is on top of their obligations to the Party Whip.

Citizens need to know that when PAP MPs go around their constituency making house visits and meeting residents, they do so in their capacity as Grassroots Advisers, not as political MPs.

As Grassroots Advisers, their job is to promote, explain and defend existing Government policies. Even questionable policies - such as sky-scraper high ministerial salaries and shamefully inadequate help for the elderly poor – stand to be vigorously defended by PAP MPs working with the PA Machinery.

Citizens need to know that so long as the PA continues to appoint PAP MPs as their Grassroots Advisers, and thereby co-opting them into their Machinery to bolster their role as the Government’s apologist, constituents will be denied the full measure of the advocate, activist and political leader that they had voted for.

We are short-changed. Instead of being the People’s Voice, our PAP MPs defect from serving our cause to become the PA’s Voice. Bearing in mind that the PA are servants of the PAP Government, the PAP MPs end up as the PAP’s Voice.

Cloaked by the pretext of promoting social cohesion, the PA has the effect of distorting our democratic system to the advantage of the ruling party.

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2018/08/15/the-peoples-voice-or-the-paps-voice/

Thank you for the sharing.

It's fair comment and true sharing from a constituent who had taken on the responsibility of sharing the sentiments of other constituents.. Were there any responses from the related people/organisations? There has to be unless arrogance, complacency and/or incompetency are at play.

By the way, I am surprised that the notification letter from the MP/RC was poorly written and riddled with grammatical errors. LEEders setting good examples for our children to learn and emulate? Arrogance, incompetence and complacency truLEE on display.
 

Kopi0Kosong

Alfrescian
Loyal
Please do not expect too much from anyone who is both an Adviser to his Grassroots Organisations under the People’s Association (PA) and Member of Parliament (MP). :wink:

Likewise to be reciprocated. Tell the incompetent people-elected MP, who chose to also act as an ungrateful traitor PA/PAP guard dog, to "PLEASE DO NOT EXPECT TOO MUCH FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS at the next General Election.' No more 'GIVE and TAKE'.
 

Kopi0Kosong

Alfrescian
Loyal
PA is PAP without the last P. It's a well known fact, but they will deny it until the cows come home.

Likewise, PAP embedded in PCF as a dirty cover to brainwash impressionable minds. The unspeakable ploys from a late chief gangster in his younger days. Cheat to win; Kill to win; Fix, FiX, FIX! How is it that political party flags were flown at a National Day celebration... unless the celebration was meant for the political party!!!!
 

Kopi0Kosong

Alfrescian
Loyal
On the contrary, much more is expected from a PAP cadre or MP as compared to an oppie. A PAP MP or cadre is expected to serve for free as grassroots advisors, which include sacrificing weekday evenings and weekends on a regular basis to do constituency grassroots work. In recent years, we also expect PAP MPs to serve for free as Labour MPs, working with labour unions and trade associations to uphold labour rights and keep retrenchment to a minimum.

Oppies, on the other hand, only need to show up for elections once every five years. Other than that, they can while the time away on a daily basis, with no one expecting them to show up weekly for any sort of volunteer work.

Dear John,
Dear oh dear! what's that little thing being exposed, john??? I like your sharing. It sticks out...and truLEE funLEE. Cheers and thank you with all SINCERITY.
 

greedy and cunning

Alfrescian
Loyal
On the contrary, much more is expected from a PAP cadre or MP as compared to an oppie. ........
...... In recent years, we also expect PAP MPs to serve for free as Labour MPs, working with labour unions and trade associations to uphold labour
rights and keep retrenchment to a minimum.

Oppies, on the other hand, only need to show up for elections once every five years. Other than that, they can while the time away on a daily basis, with no one expecting them to show up weekly for any sort of volunteer work.

when oppies M Pee want to do engage the sillypootians
the Pee And Pee creates lot of obstacles in their way . eg difficulty in finding a venue.
the Pee And Pee always find faults with the oppies to keep them occupied.
eg ah lian and her gang got to spend time and money checking the books , tallying the account.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
the PA’s key role is to promote, explain and defend government policies and programmes to Singaporeans. In effect, the PA is the Government’s apologist i.e. the Government’s defender and spokesperson. The Grassroots Adviser’s job is to help the PA to carry out its said role.

In Singapore the MP's job is the same as the PA's focus.

In the PAP system the MP is there to explain to his dumb electorate why government policies that appear to harm their wellbeing are actually good for them in the long term. The MP couldn't care two hoots about feedback from the electorate. If they started listening to the people the country would be in a right, royal mess. LKY, in his infinite wisdom, knew perfectly well that implementing the will of the people was a recipe for disaster. The will of the PAP is a far better option.

“I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn’t be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn’t be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters – who your neighbor is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think.” — LKY - Speaking to Straits Times newspaper, 1987
 
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Kopi0Kosong

Alfrescian
Loyal
'STOP at TWO' was a national policy which created problems for many innocent citizens. The country is now paying for this wrongly-formulated policy. The Singapore LEEders, past and present, can deny but the reality is that Singaporeans today are suffering. The present government is trying desperately to implement remedial, stop-gap actions and policies to rectify the situation. "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO LOOK AFTER AND CARE FOR YOUR PARENTS. YOU SHOULD FOR THEIR THIS AND THAT!!! NOW THAT'S IS WHY WE ARE HOLDING ON TO YOUR MONEY."

If China does not implement remedial strategies now, their people will very likely face the same situation as Singapore today. The consequences are definitely to be more severe as theirs was the "STOP at ONE".


FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

The late self-proclaimed god-like LEEder and Chief Gangster is the main causative agent of the current mess in the famiLEE. Unable to leave behind a happy family and yet this LEEder had acted like the Father of all Singaporeans.


How would Singapore be today if the late Toh Chin Chye, Goh Keng Swee or Lim Chin Siong were to be the Prime Minister then?

Singapore is still a fishing village and policemen still wearing khaki pants? Are Singaporeans and people of the world really that STUPID?
 

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
'STOP at TWO' was a national policy which created problems for many innocent citizens. The country is now paying for this wrongly-formulated policy. The Singapore LEEders, past and present, can deny but the reality is that Singaporeans today are suffering. The present government is trying desperately to implement remedial, stop-gap actions and policies to rectify the situation. "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO LOOK AFTER AND CARE FOR YOUR PARENTS. YOU SHOULD FOR THEIR THIS AND THAT!!! NOW THAT'S IS WHY WE ARE HOLDING ON TO YOUR MONEY."

If China does not implement remedial strategies now, their people will very likely face the same situation as Singapore today. The consequences are definitely to be more severe as theirs was the "STOP at ONE".

FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

The late self-proclaimed god-like LEEder and Chief Gangster is the main causative agent of the current mess in the famiLEE. Unable to leave behind a happy family and yet this LEEder had acted like the Father of all Singaporeans.

How would Singapore be today if the late Toh Chin Chye, Goh Keng Swee or Lim Chin Siong were to be the Prime Minister then?

Singapore is still a fishing village and policemen still wearing khaki pants? Are Singaporeans and people of the world really that STUPID?

The 'stop at two' policy worked well for a developing country during a time when there wasn't enough money to go around and there was a genuine fear that there wouldn't be enough jobs for the young people.

Many places South Korea, Japan and China also grew economically during a period when their birth rates went down as their incomes went up.

Perhaps if the rohingya and niggers reduced their birthrate to 1-2 kids per pair of adults instead of 6 kids average, they wouldn't be so poor today.
 

Kopi0Kosong

Alfrescian
Loyal
The 'stop at two' policy worked well for a developing country during a time when there wasn't enough money to go around and there was a genuine fear that there wouldn't be enough jobs for the young people.
Many places South Korea, Japan and China also grew economically during a period when their birth rates went down as their incomes went up.
Perhaps if the rohingya and niggers reduced their birthrate to 1-2 kids per pair of adults instead of 6 kids average, they wouldn't be so poor today.

It's your interpretation and you have the right to strongly believe that you are right. The PAP LEEders thought so too, BUT not all PAP leaders agreed with the policy. These leaders had to agree to the policy.
Like many others, I have mine. There are many ways to kill a cat, but if the act is too cruel, then that might not be the best method. Likewise, if the people of Singapore were to be disadvantaged and/or badly affected thereafter, then there is need to refine or rethink. I am definitely very against just doing it against doing it properly and effectively. A pass is definitely not excellent. Preach meritocracy but deliver mediocrity. Like each and every Singaporean, I have the right and ability to judge the performance of each elected MP. We give the votes. As a Singaporean, I HATE and despise arrogant, complacent and/or incompetent MPs who are unable to even perform satisfactorily. Singaporeans should expect and demand the STANDARD that PAP LEEders set themselves, and that is THE WORLD'S BEST-PAID politicians and national leaders.


FOOD for THOUGHT:

Stop acting high and mighty. Singaporeans are able to think and act for ourselves. We, the citizens of Singapore, are not stupid and should not be treated like slaves. In earlier years, the PAP LEEders changed our employment agreements and took away some of our CPF money. We GAVE in and TOOK the cut. A cut that affected many over subsequent years, even till today. Then after, the wicked PAP LEEders schemed to not return the CPF money after age of 55? Again Singaporeans were bullied into giving in and taking the bite. The LEEders bit into our flesh and we endured the pain.

So stop trying to explain to us Singaporeans because we are unable to rationalise for ourselves. Stop telling us what we should not and cannot do because we have enough of GIVE and TAKE. I am definitely not going to GIVE you my vote and there is no way you can TAKE it. Why? It's because I am a Singaporean. I shall think and act based on my ability...A WRONG DECISION for you is the RIGHT DECISION for me and my fellow Singaporeans.
 

bobby

Alfrescian
Loyal
His real job is a practicing lawyer @ Derrick Wong & Lim BC LLP.

The MP job is just a past time to fill the gaps between clients.
 
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