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Turns out Chink defense technology is absolute shit!
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Operation Epic Fury, involving hundreds of coordinated strikes on Iranian military, nuclear, and leadership targets. This has included the killing of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and senior commanders, widespread degradation of Iran's ballistic missile infrastructure, and US-Israel achieving near-total air superiority. Iran has retaliated with waves of ballistic missiles and drones, hitting some regional targets (including US bases and Gulf sites) but with rapidly declining effectiveness due to launcher attrition.
Iran upgraded its air defenses after the 2025 Twelve-Day War with **Chinese systems**, most notably the **HQ-9B** long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) battery (a claimed S-300/S-400/Patriot equivalent, acquired via reported oil-for-arms deals). It layered this with Russian S-300 remnants, indigenous Bavar-373, and shorter-range Chinese systems like HQ-16/HQ-17AE, plus associated radars (e.g., YLC-8B). China has denied some direct sales, citing export controls.
### Performance of Chinese Systems
**The HQ-9B (and supporting Chinese tech) largely failed** to protect key sites:
- No confirmed interceptions of US/Israeli aircraft, Tomahawks, or drones in the opening phases.
- Strikes penetrated deep into Iran (Tehran compound, Natanz/Fordow nuclear sites, missile factories, IRGC bases across 20+ provinces), with radars, command nodes, and launchers destroyed early.
- Iranian officials (including Khamenei) were reportedly meeting at an HQ-9B-protected site when hit by 30+ Israeli missiles.
**Reported reasons** (consistent across defense analyses):
- **Stealth + SEAD superiority** — F-35s evaded detection; early "hard kill" strikes on radars + electronic warfare/jamming blinded systems.
- **Saturation/overwhelm** — Hundreds of threats (missiles, drones, decoys) exceeded engagement limits (HQ-9B tracks ~100 but engages only 6–8 simultaneously).
- **Stand-off weapons** — Launched from beyond range.
- **Integration/training issues** — Poor compatibility with Russian/Iranian layers; limited operator experience under sanctions.
This echoes prior HQ-9B shortfalls in Pakistan (vs. India, 2025) and Venezuela, leading analysts to call it a "**paper tiger**" and question Chinese export credibility.
### Iranian Offensive Systems (with Chinese Links)
Iran's retaliatory ballistic missiles (e.g., Fattah hypersonics) and Shahed drones—built with decades of Chinese dual-use components, propellants, electronics, guidance kits, and know-how—achieved *some* hits on Gulf targets, Israel, and US bases. However, GPS jamming, intercepts, and rapid destruction of launchers limited impact, and production is being attrited. Chinese tech helped enable Iran's arsenal volume, but accuracy and survivability fell short against layered Western defenses.
### Broader Implications for Chinese Defense Tech
- **Yes, it has shown limitations** — Especially for exported air defenses against peer/high-end opponents (stealth, EW, multi-domain ops). This is a real-world stress test exposing gaps in radar survivability, network integration, and saturation resistance—issues China is now studying closely for its own PLA systems and potential Taiwan scenarios.
- **Not proof all Chinese tech is "not up to par"** — Export versions are often downgraded; Iran's forces face sanctions, poor maintenance, and inferior training/integration vs. the PLA's domestic gear (e.g., more advanced HQ-9 variants, hypersonics, J-20 integration). No system (including US Patriot) is invincible against US/Israeli-level SEAD. Iranian offensive tech's partial success shows mass + dual-use components can still complicate things.
- Analysts view this as valuable free data for Beijing (and a wake-up on overhype), similar to how Ukraine tested Russian systems—not a total debunking, but a clear signal that Chinese A2/AD claims need real combat validation beyond paper specs.
In short: The war has empirically dented confidence in Chinese **exported defense systems** (especially SAMs) against top-tier Western/Israeli forces, but it's more a reflection of Iran's overall disadvantages than a blanket indictment of China's military-industrial base. The conflict is still evolving (as of March 6, 2026), so final assessments will depend on how much further Iranian capabilities degrade.
Iran upgraded its air defenses after the 2025 Twelve-Day War with **Chinese systems**, most notably the **HQ-9B** long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) battery (a claimed S-300/S-400/Patriot equivalent, acquired via reported oil-for-arms deals). It layered this with Russian S-300 remnants, indigenous Bavar-373, and shorter-range Chinese systems like HQ-16/HQ-17AE, plus associated radars (e.g., YLC-8B). China has denied some direct sales, citing export controls.
### Performance of Chinese Systems
**The HQ-9B (and supporting Chinese tech) largely failed** to protect key sites:
- No confirmed interceptions of US/Israeli aircraft, Tomahawks, or drones in the opening phases.
- Strikes penetrated deep into Iran (Tehran compound, Natanz/Fordow nuclear sites, missile factories, IRGC bases across 20+ provinces), with radars, command nodes, and launchers destroyed early.
- Iranian officials (including Khamenei) were reportedly meeting at an HQ-9B-protected site when hit by 30+ Israeli missiles.
**Reported reasons** (consistent across defense analyses):
- **Stealth + SEAD superiority** — F-35s evaded detection; early "hard kill" strikes on radars + electronic warfare/jamming blinded systems.
- **Saturation/overwhelm** — Hundreds of threats (missiles, drones, decoys) exceeded engagement limits (HQ-9B tracks ~100 but engages only 6–8 simultaneously).
- **Stand-off weapons** — Launched from beyond range.
- **Integration/training issues** — Poor compatibility with Russian/Iranian layers; limited operator experience under sanctions.
This echoes prior HQ-9B shortfalls in Pakistan (vs. India, 2025) and Venezuela, leading analysts to call it a "**paper tiger**" and question Chinese export credibility.
### Iranian Offensive Systems (with Chinese Links)
Iran's retaliatory ballistic missiles (e.g., Fattah hypersonics) and Shahed drones—built with decades of Chinese dual-use components, propellants, electronics, guidance kits, and know-how—achieved *some* hits on Gulf targets, Israel, and US bases. However, GPS jamming, intercepts, and rapid destruction of launchers limited impact, and production is being attrited. Chinese tech helped enable Iran's arsenal volume, but accuracy and survivability fell short against layered Western defenses.
### Broader Implications for Chinese Defense Tech
- **Yes, it has shown limitations** — Especially for exported air defenses against peer/high-end opponents (stealth, EW, multi-domain ops). This is a real-world stress test exposing gaps in radar survivability, network integration, and saturation resistance—issues China is now studying closely for its own PLA systems and potential Taiwan scenarios.
- **Not proof all Chinese tech is "not up to par"** — Export versions are often downgraded; Iran's forces face sanctions, poor maintenance, and inferior training/integration vs. the PLA's domestic gear (e.g., more advanced HQ-9 variants, hypersonics, J-20 integration). No system (including US Patriot) is invincible against US/Israeli-level SEAD. Iranian offensive tech's partial success shows mass + dual-use components can still complicate things.
- Analysts view this as valuable free data for Beijing (and a wake-up on overhype), similar to how Ukraine tested Russian systems—not a total debunking, but a clear signal that Chinese A2/AD claims need real combat validation beyond paper specs.
In short: The war has empirically dented confidence in Chinese **exported defense systems** (especially SAMs) against top-tier Western/Israeli forces, but it's more a reflection of Iran's overall disadvantages than a blanket indictment of China's military-industrial base. The conflict is still evolving (as of March 6, 2026), so final assessments will depend on how much further Iranian capabilities degrade.
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Ang Mohs still the best and Jews are the best of the best!
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I busy bashing pastors, mai cha siao la.
Don't know your context.
I busy bashing pastors, mai cha siao la.
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You fools. Instructions were in mandarin
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Not appropriate because 金玉其外败絮其中 refers to a person.
If you are referring to a machine or an equipment, it's more straightforward to say 中看不中用.
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I am sorry to pass the message to you guys that USA will capitulate to Iran in the end
About 18 countries are at present attacking Iran and Iran a 1200 years old civilization has shown incredible resilience while the USA a 250 year old civilization is just trying to hasten its ultimate demise as a has been empire
The question that you guys cannot even think is why is there a news blackout from Israel?
No one is allowed to report from the ground in Israel. Why is there a news blackout from the ground in Israel.
Why is Satanyahoo not shown his face in public. Is he in hiding underground
Iran single handedly managed to block the Straits of Hormuz
Pleesident Dummy Dumb is trying to beg Ukraine to come to its aid to block the Iranian drones which are manufactured comparatively cheap and missiles to which they have no defence
A million American tourists in the Middle East are stranded with no way out and are proclaiming that their dumb Pleesident deserted them and they are sitting ducks for Iranian target practice
The Saudis and mid East nations rely heavily on desalination plants for their daily water supply which are at serious risk from Iranian drones
With shipping at a standstill and 80-90 per cent of mid East food being imported there is a real serious risk that their food supply will be rationed before it runs out
Also USA is very short of ammunition supply as vast ammunition supplies have gone to Ukraine
Now silly Dumph is begging the ammo production companies to produce more and very urgently but has been told that China has stopped exports of all minerals to USA in retaliation of the tariffs imposed by Dumph on China
North Korea is telling Iran that it may give Iran a nuclear warhead to flatten Israel
Pray that Little Kim is just joking
I suggest all you Sinkies who are used to just listening to PAP propaganda to think before just listening to western media without analyzing what is being dished out to you
At present 60% of the Americans are against the war
Iran posed no security concerns to any country until it was attacked by dumbh
About 18 countries are at present attacking Iran and Iran a 1200 years old civilization has shown incredible resilience while the USA a 250 year old civilization is just trying to hasten its ultimate demise as a has been empire
The question that you guys cannot even think is why is there a news blackout from Israel?
No one is allowed to report from the ground in Israel. Why is there a news blackout from the ground in Israel.
Why is Satanyahoo not shown his face in public. Is he in hiding underground
Iran single handedly managed to block the Straits of Hormuz
Pleesident Dummy Dumb is trying to beg Ukraine to come to its aid to block the Iranian drones which are manufactured comparatively cheap and missiles to which they have no defence
A million American tourists in the Middle East are stranded with no way out and are proclaiming that their dumb Pleesident deserted them and they are sitting ducks for Iranian target practice
The Saudis and mid East nations rely heavily on desalination plants for their daily water supply which are at serious risk from Iranian drones
With shipping at a standstill and 80-90 per cent of mid East food being imported there is a real serious risk that their food supply will be rationed before it runs out
Also USA is very short of ammunition supply as vast ammunition supplies have gone to Ukraine
Now silly Dumph is begging the ammo production companies to produce more and very urgently but has been told that China has stopped exports of all minerals to USA in retaliation of the tariffs imposed by Dumph on China
North Korea is telling Iran that it may give Iran a nuclear warhead to flatten Israel
Pray that Little Kim is just joking
I suggest all you Sinkies who are used to just listening to PAP propaganda to think before just listening to western media without analyzing what is being dished out to you
At present 60% of the Americans are against the war
Iran posed no security concerns to any country until it was attacked by dumbh
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You seem to be living in some alternate world.
Iran is indeed a 1200 year old civilization and it would be great for the whole world if it returns to its roots. The problem is not the first 1150 years it's only the last 50 that need to be dealt with.
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Only the silly sheeple will prefer to believe the news from Jewish fake stream media which are all the cnn, fox news, cnbc and social media like X and Youtube
Yes, the Jews are hiding the damages that they are incurring and censoring those news
The sheeple also prefer to biased news, not unbiased
That is also why they fail their history so bad due to their one-sided belief
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