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U neglected to mention that 80% of the infected shows no symptoms and have shrugged off the virus. So there is yr 80% herd immunity. The other 5 % might be bed ridden like a flu n recover. The vulnerable 5% or 10 percent can be lockdown. it's not hard to lockdown old folks homes. And another point in singkieland..the infected rate has gone up..but the death rate and icu rate had not which means the fatality rate is dropping to be equivalent to the flu. There is no lockdown for a flu n flu vaccines only cover for 4 strains where a flu season has hundreds of strains. So why should there be a lockdown for the wuhan virus?
The widespread perception that it was once official British policy to let the novel coronavirus spread until the population reached herd immunity is false; the government was just overly optimistic about how easy flattening the curve would be. But the idea has gained so much traction in some circles, fueled by speculation that we might already be much closer to it than we think, that it’s worth understanding why it’s not a viable policy according to the evidence to date.



First, even assuming people who get sick do become immune, we have no idea how long they’ll stay immune. (With some coronaviruses, as well as with ordinary flu, immunity lasts less than a year.) Second, assuming they stay immune, we have no idea how long it would take to reach herd immunity.

The latter uncertainty stems from a few big, though related, unknowns. First, how contagious is the virus? The more contagious it ismeasured as R0, the average number of people that a victim passes the virus on tothe more people need to be immune for the infection rate to start falling. But estimates of R0 vary. These estimates suggest that anywhere from about half to three-quarters of the population has to catch it.

Second, how many people have actually been infected so far? These estimates vary even more. One study from the team at Imperial College estimated that on March 28, when Italy had just under 100,000 known cases, or less than 0.2% of the population, the virus had actually infected some 10% of Italians, most of whom either had no symptoms or didn’t feel sick enough to get tested. That 50-fold difference is far bigger than some other estimates assume.

Third, what proportion of infected people never have symptoms? The official line from the US Centers for Disease Control is that it’s 25%, but small studies of some localized outbreaks have suggested it might be nearer 50%. Those would support the theory that the virus is already much more widespread.

But such figures remain highly disputed because we simply aren’t testing enough people to know how many infections there really are. And even if there are far more than we think, it’s still not clear that we’d reach natural herd immunity sooner than we can develop a vaccine or a cure. Either way, we still have to keep the infection rate down in the meantime to a level that doesn’t collapse the hospital system and leave an entire generation of health-care workers severely traumatized.
 
@Hypocrite-The
During this period ,
Don't wish to argue over minors.
U may be right , i have my view.

Btw you have any traumatic experience when young?
 
Yes. Instead of worrying about flattening the curve, they should put efforts so that the system can take a higher peak.

This shutdown is costing Trillions! Spending a few hundred million would have solved the issue.
I will ignore yr last sentence bcos it is crap. When a pandemic is declared. The response is to manage and treat the sick n not trying to control the spread. However gahmen BS policies has turned it the other way round as in lockdown to prevent infection which just kicks the can down the road. Some countries have lockdown n controlled the infection. And my question dear Dr Mangale is. Because the lockdown is 'successful ' it cannot be removed bcos the population have never developed the immunity . So lifting the lockdown will result in 3rd wave n 4th wave etc. N pls note lockdown..how long can u lockdown? 6 months? 1 year? By then the majority of the popn will starve to death. N lockdown for a 5% mortality rate? U sure? It's like banning penicillin because 5% are allergic to it.

Lockdown will lift if there is a vaccine. But a vaccine is 1 year away. Which country besides hermit n 3rd world jungle natives can survive on a 1 year lockdown. The solutions offered now is worse than the disease. N all the effort to develop a vaccine for a 5% mortality rate...wat a good way to spend money. And after this pandemic is over..be prepared for 20% gst n other hikes etc. Ah heng has dipped into the reserves...he is going to make it up ....and the state bailouts of the accommodation for blangahs etc...the ppl have to pay for it...the rich will not be taxed..n rest assured..the poor will pay more for the bail out. I see pap wanting to raise gst even more etc..this virus is the excuse pap will use...gst is one of the most income inequitable taxes invented...be prepared to pay more..
 
Elderly patient's will die of the flu n everyone dies. N are u retarded and blind to not see the ranks of the unemployed? So all this shit so old farts might live abit longer? Wat a good trade off.
Schadenfreude


Schadenfreude is pleasure or amusement in response to the misfortunes, pain, humiliation, or mistakes of other people.
 
The widespread perception that it was once official British policy to let the novel coronavirus spread until the population reached herd immunity is false; the government was just overly optimistic about how easy flattening the curve would be. But the idea has gained so much traction in some circles, fueled by speculation that we might already be much closer to it than we think, that it’s worth understanding why it’s not a viable policy according to the evidence to date.



First, even assuming people who get sick do become immune, we have no idea how long they’ll stay immune. (With some coronaviruses, as well as with ordinary flu, immunity lasts less than a year.) Second, assuming they stay immune, we have no idea how long it would take to reach herd immunity.

The latter uncertainty stems from a few big, though related, unknowns. First, how contagious is the virus? The more contagious it ismeasured as R0, the average number of people that a victim passes the virus on tothe more people need to be immune for the infection rate to start falling. But estimates of R0 vary. These estimates suggest that anywhere from about half to three-quarters of the population has to catch it.

Second, how many people have actually been infected so far? These estimates vary even more. One study from the team at Imperial College estimated that on March 28, when Italy had just under 100,000 known cases, or less than 0.2% of the population, the virus had actually infected some 10% of Italians, most of whom either had no symptoms or didn’t feel sick enough to get tested. That 50-fold difference is far bigger than some other estimates assume.

Third, what proportion of infected people never have symptoms? The official line from the US Centers for Disease Control is that it’s 25%, but small studies of some localized outbreaks have suggested it might be nearer 50%. Those would support the theory that the virus is already much more widespread.

But such figures remain highly disputed because we simply aren’t testing enough people to know how many infections there really are. And even if there are far more than we think, it’s still not clear that we’d reach natural herd immunity sooner than we can develop a vaccine or a cure. Either way, we still have to keep the infection rate down in the meantime to a level that doesn’t collapse the hospital system and leave an entire generation of health-care workers severely traumatized.
Is the hospital system collapsing? U have admitted that there is no increase in death n icu rates. So therefore herd immunity is the way to go. N as I said. If there is no lockdown for the flu. There should be no lockdown for the wuhan virus. N after reading about Sweden. I now know it's in the gahmens interest to ensure sweden fails n discredit herd immunity. Because when herd immunity is proven to be better n less disruptive than lockdown. Heaps of gahmens will get kicked by its shitizen for putting them into un necessary pain and stress. This lockdown has now taken a life of it's own. It's no longer public health . It's about the politicians n civil serpents n medical corporations gravy train. N u are their advocate
 
Is the hospital system collapsing? U have admitted that there is no increase in death n icu rates. So therefore herd immunity is the way to go. N as I said. If there is no lockdown for the flu. There should be no lockdown for the wuhan virus. N after reading about Sweden. I now know it's in the gahmens interest to ensure sweden fails n discredit herd immunity. Because when herd immunity is proven to be better n less disruptive than lockdown. Heaps of gahmens will get kicked by its shitizen for putting them into un necessary pain and stress. This lockdown has now taken a life of it's own. It's no longer public health . It's about the politicians n civil serpents n medical corporations gravy train. N u are their advocate
Ok. U are right.
I understand.
 
Is the hospital system collapsing? U have admitted that there is no increase in death n icu rates. So therefore herd immunity is the way to go. N as I said. If there is no lockdown for the flu. There should be no lockdown for the wuhan virus. N after reading about Sweden. I now know it's in the gahmens interest to ensure sweden fails n discredit herd immunity. Because when herd immunity is proven to be better n less disruptive than lockdown. Heaps of gahmens will get kicked by its shitizen for putting them into un necessary pain and stress. This lockdown has now taken a life of it's own. It's no longer public health . It's about the politicians n civil serpents n medical corporations gravy train. N u are their advocate
It is all political. This will be the last time we ever have lockdowns for infectious disease.

Next one will be the big killer and no country will lockdown citing the Wuhan virus experience.
 
Schadenfreude


Schadenfreude is pleasure or amusement in response to the misfortunes, pain, humiliation, or mistakes of other people.
I call it sadism. And I do not see the relevance to herd immunity for the wuhan virus.
 
frequent schadenfreude can indicate a mental health condition. People with personality diagnoses such as antisocial personality may delight in the pain of others and have little regard for others’ well-being. Chronic anxiety, depression, or low self-esteem might also cause someone to seek validation in others’ failures. Some mental health professionals differentiate between glee at minor misfortunes—such as slipping on a banana peel or making a stupid remark—and glee at more serious suffering such as terminal illness or the death of a child.
 
It is all political. This will be the last time we ever have lockdowns for infectious disease.

Next one will be the big killer and no country will lockdown citing the Wuhan virus experience.
Is wuhan virus a big killer? A highly infectious virus has a lower mortality rate. This is not Ebola. A night mortality rate means a virus is less infectious because the virus will die out before it spreads. If wuhan virus has a 30% mortality rate. The world will not be in lockdown because the infected would b dead before it reaches the 4 corners of the globe
 
Is wuhan virus a big killer? A highly infectious virus has a lower mortality rate. This is not Ebola. A night mortality rate means a virus is less infectious because the virus will die out before it spreads. If wuhan virus has a 30% mortality rate. The world will not be in lockdown because the infected would b dead before it reaches the 4 corners of the globe
Yes it is a killer.
 
Is wuhan virus a big killer? A highly infectious virus has a lower mortality rate. This is not Ebola. A night mortality rate means a virus is less infectious because the virus will die out before it spreads. If wuhan virus has a 30% mortality rate. The world will not be in lockdown because the infected would b dead before it reaches the 4 corners of the globe
At beginning we weren't sure.

And china data is full of shit.

So if dunno not sure is a new virus novel. How?

But now that we know time to throw out all this lockdown stuff lah.
 
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