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Tiongs warn Turks to back off from Northern Syria! When Jews occupy Golan Heights, got shoot any warning ?

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...rkey-halt-military-incursion-syria-and-returnChina calls on Turkey to halt military incursion in Syria and ‘return to right track’
  • Beijing joins global condemnation of attack launched by Ankara on Kurdish fighters after US President Donald Trump decided to pull out troops
  • Foreign ministry spokesman says issue should be resolved with ‘political solutions’ and the operation may result in a revival of Islamic State
Catherine Wong

Catherine Wong

Published: 7:15pm, 15 Oct, 2019



Turkey launched the attack on Kurdish fighters in northeastern Syria last week. Photo: Xinhua
Turkey launched the attack on Kurdish fighters in northeastern Syria last week. Photo: Xinhua

Turkey launched the attack on Kurdish fighters in northeastern Syria last week. Photo: Xinhua

China has urged Turkey to stop the military offensive it began in northeastern Syria last week and “return to the right track”.
Beijing is the latest to join global condemnation of the cross-border attack launched by Ankara on Kurdish fighters last Wednesday following US President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from the region.
Foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang on Tuesday called for a ceasefire.
“The Chinese side has always opposed the use of force in international relations and has advocated for adherence to the Charter of the United Nations, and to resolve problems through political and diplomatic channels,” Geng said during a regular press briefing, when asked about Beijing’s position on the situation.


“Sovereignty, independence, unification and territorial integrity should be respected and protected,” he said. “We urge Turkey to halt military action and to return to the right track, resolving the issue with political solutions.”
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang called on Turkey to “work with the international community in fighting against terrorism”. Photo: AP

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang called on Turkey to “work with the international community in fighting against terrorism”. Photo: AP
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Geng also said the “anti-terrorism situation in Syria is still severe”, and the military operation could result in a comeback by Islamic State.
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“We urge Turkey to take responsibility and work with the international community in fighting against terrorism,” he said.

Explained: why are Syria’s Kurds accusing the US of betrayal?
Trump’s move has drawn sharp criticism from around the world. Critics say he has abandoned the allies that helped fight against Isis, and that withdrawing troops could pave the way for a resurgence of the jihadist group whose violent takeover of Syrian and Iraqi land five years ago was the reason US forces went in.

The US president said about 1,000 US troops who had been partnering with local Kurdish fighters to battle Islamic State in northern Syria were leaving the country. He said they would remain in the Middle East to “monitor the situation” and to prevent a revival of Isis – a goal that even Trump’s allies say has become much more difficult as a result of the US pull-out.

Turkey says the offensive aims to remove the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces from the border area and create what it calls a “safe zone” to relocate 1 million Syrian refugees.
Facing mounting criticism, Trump on Monday announced
sanctions would be imposed
on Turkey, halted bilateral trade negotiations and called for an immediate ceasefire.
Vice-President Mike Pence also said Trump was sending him to the Middle East because the president was concerned about instability in the region.
Beijing has long worried that conflict in the region could spill over to Chinese soil after thousands of
Uygurs
– the Turkic-speaking Muslim minority from far western China – travelled to Syria to train and fight as jihadists.
Additional reporting by Associated Press




Ironic


Why Tiongs dont say a word against Zionist occupation of Golan Heights?

Why so kuai kuai lick ang mor jew zionist yankee balls?

Why so kuai kuai Russian putin never utter single word on ang mor trump approval of Golan Heights occupation by Zionists?

Hypocrisy of commies exposed liao.
 

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Dotard forces fled Putin Forces Moved In HUAT! Xi is actually happy! Putin invite Chinese to REBUILD SYRIA $$$HUAT$$$

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019...-area-outside-kobani-in-northern-syria-a67767

Syrian Observatory: Russian Forces Cross Euphrates, Reach Area Outside Kobani in Northern Syria







By Reuters
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Russian forces have crossed the Euphrates river in northern Syria and reached areas outside the city of Kobani, pushing eastward with Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the Syrian Observatory said on Wednesday.
The troop movement comes days after the SDF cut a deal with the Syrian government for army troops to deploy at the border following a Turkish invasion of northeast Syria last week.



Turkey-Syria Cooperation Must Be Based on Cross-Border Adana Accord, Russia Says
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"Russian forces reached an area outside of Kobani, about 4-5 kilometers outside the city, after crossing the Euphrates," said Rami Abdulrahman, the director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a British-based war monitor.
Asked about the report, an SDF official said he had not yet received information about such a Russian advance.
The SDF military agreement with Damascus and its ally Moscow marks an abrupt shift in policy following the United States announcement that its forces would be withdrawing from northeast Syria, where it had allied with Kurdish-led SDF forces to oust Islamic State.





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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/10/16/turkey-and-russia-show-that-land-grabs-can-pay-off-a67753

Turkey and Russia Show That Land Grabs Can Pay Off
Erdogan and Putin are shredding the myth that countries no longer tear other countries apart.






By Leonid Bershidsky
7 hours ago










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Kremlin.ru



Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s land grab in Syria, like his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin’s Crimea annexation, has met with a weak international response. Will that encourage more land grabs? Any nations thinking of doing so should be warned: Such conquests succeed only if they don’t set off full-scale wars.
The U.S. has frozen the assets of the Turkish defense and energy ministries as well as those of the defense, energy and interior ministers. President Donald Trump also promised to stop negotiations with Turkey on a trade deal and to raise tariffs on Turkish steel. Turkey will barely notice these sanctions. It’s likely that the ministries and officials have no U.S. assets, and their ability to continue using U.S. financial assets through other branches of the Turkish government is more or less unlimited.
The European Union, for its part, agreed that its member states would commit “to strong national positions regarding their arms export policy to Turkey” — not quite an arms embargo, but a recommendation that European nations stop selling arms to Ankara. This is something Germany, Finland, France, the Netherlands and Sweden have already promised to do. Erdogan could have lived with a full embargo, too: Russia is only too happy to sell him more weapons.
The sanctions on Turkey are even weaker than those imposed on Russia after it seized Crimea from Ukraine in March 2014. That month, the U.S. and the EU imposed some travel bans and asset freezes on Russians believed to be involved in the operation, and the Europeans also prohibited all business with Crimea itself. Russia shrugged off these restrictions. Harsher measures, to which Russia responded with some import bans, only followed an escalation in eastern Ukraine and the downing of a Malaysian passenger airliner over territory held by pro-Russian rebels.



Russia Is the New Referee in the Middle East
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Like Putin before him, Erdogan can rest easy that his country won’t be hit with anything resembling the harsh UN Security Council-authorized sanctions slapped on Iraq after it invaded Kuwait in 1990. Those included an all-embracing trade and financial embargo.
The weakness of the Crimea- and northern Syria-related sanctions undermines the idea of a “territorial integrity norm” that is supposed to have crystallized in the post-World War II era. The emergence and acceptance of this norm — a general international consensus against military conquest and armed secession — is often credited for the declining number of conquest attempts in recent decades. But the conclusions of political scientist Mark Zacher, whose 2001 paper promoted the idea that this territorial integrity norm had led to a dramatic decrease in the number of border changes, has been challenged in more recent research. A causal link between the norm and the prevalence of land grabs is turning out hard to prove.
In a recent paper, Dan Altman of Georgia State University holds that conquest has never really gone obsolete. Instead, he claims, based on several updated datasets of interstate conflicts, that the nature of land grabs has changed:
As states increasingly came to shy away from intentionally waging war, war-prone forms of conquest declined earlier and more strongly. Conquest attempts more consistent with the fait accompli strategy and its aim of avoiding war proved more enduring. These tend to target smaller territories, especially those with little or no population and no military garrison that would need to be removed. It could have transpired that states would forgo conquest almost altogether as they increasingly sought to avoid starting wars. Instead, states avoided only war-prone conquest while persisting with comparatively war-averse conquest.
According to Altman, all the states responsible for the nine initial conquest attempts that led to wars — that is, conflicts with more than 1,000 battle deaths — since 1975 ended up losing the conquered territory. But out of the total of 30 land grabs involving parts of states that occurred between 1980 and 2018, conquest initiators held on to their territorial gains in half the cases. That means the successful conquerors are those who avoid a war.



What Does Turkey’s Syria Offensive Mean For Russia?
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Trying to seize an entire country, as Iraq did in 1990, increases the risk of third-party military intervention, Altman wrote. What happened to Iraq after it seized Kuwait also shows that the sanctions in such a situation can be overwhelming. But “the victims of smaller conquests have been on their own,” according to Altman: “Of the 63 initial conquest attempts targeting parts of states since 1945, in only five did a third-party state — a friend or ally of the victim — fire at least one shot in defense of the victim.”
All this makes Putin’s Crimea grab a relatively typical success story for modern-day conquest. It involved little violence, and Putin correctly calculated that third-party intervention would be weak. On the other hand, Russia’s interference in eastern Ukraine is — also in keeping with Altman’s conclusions — more of a miscalculation: It set off a war, and Russia hopes to hand the territories now held by pro-Moscow separatists back to Ukraine if it can get favorable peace terms.
In Syria, Erdogan apparently also hoped for a Crimea-style fait accompli. But recent developments on the ground — such as the Syrian military’s intervention on the side of the Kurdish forces, as well as Russia’s insistence that Turkey shouldn’t hold on to any of the invaded territory — show that he may have miscalculated, just as Putin did in eastern Ukraine.
The weak Western reaction won’t force Erdogan to retreat. But the possibility of an all-out war might thwart his plan to clear a 30-kilometer “safe zone” in Syria. He may need to make a deal with Putin and Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad. This could involve allowing him to resettle in northern Syria some of the 3.7 million Syrian refugees Turkey has been sheltering and no longer wants, perhaps making Russia and the Assad regime responsible for holding back any anti-Turkish activity along the border.
When it comes to conquests, it’s not clear whether any kind of operational “rules-based order” has ever existed. Putin and Erdogan are just taking more risk than is customary. The authoritarians play for big stakes. Erdogan’s Syria move is a gamble — but not because he can be held responsible for violating some important norm.
This article first appeared in Bloomberg.



The views expressed in opinion pieces do not necessarily reflect the position of The Moscow Times.
 

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No ONE like Moslem ...

The Chinese like to eat anything ... when they start to dislike Moslem ... you can guess where the Moslem stand ... right at the bottom.

IQ and Race
 

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No ONE like Moslem ...

The Chinese like to eat anything ... when they start to dislike Moslem ... you can guess where the Moslem stand ... right at the bottom.

IQ and Race


Yet Ah Nehs like you are surviving on Muslim Malay land that is stinkiepore. Ironic?
 

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Yet Ah Nehs like you are surviving on Muslim Malay land that is stinkiepore. Ironic?

White American surviving on Red Indian Land ... you must be joking.

Blame the Red Indian for being stupid or I should say have low IQ.

High IQ White > Low IQ Red Indian

You can easily predict which direction low IQ Moslem will ended up.

IQ and Race
 

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White American surviving on Red Indian Land ... you must be joking.

Blame the Red Indian for being stupid or I should say have low IQ.

High IQ White > Low IQ Red Indian

You can easily predict which direction low IQ Moslem will ended up.

IQ and Race

What aboutism doesn't work here.

Malaysia and Indonesia exist and are expanding faster in most facets of life. Military, tech, scientific r&d, infrastructure, population, influence, economy, sophistication of industry.

While stinkypore is declining.

Which means, stinkiepore's fate is uncertain.

This has been echoed by 154th media, too.

When 154th media sounds a warning on the uncertain future of stinkypore, you know that ah loong has fucked up. Really, really fucked up.

Funny you compare yourself to ang mohs though. :roflmao:


Ever looked at a mirror?

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:roflmao:


Oh yeah, if you forgot, ah nehs were brought as coolies and plantation workers to Malaya. incl stinkiepore.

Laughable you compare yourselves to ang mohs.

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