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http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/01/unfair-discrimination-of-malays-in-national-service/

It is past time to seriously reconsider the treatment of Malays in the SAF and National Service in general. While potential enemies in the form of Malaysia and Indonesia are both Islamic, I would like to state a simple truth: bullets do not care what creed or race you are, they harm and kill regardless. To quote the film Blood Diamond: “There was no apartheid in the foxhole” – a sentiment echoed by the mercenary character Danny Archer, played by Leonardo di Caprio, talking about serving beside black soldiers during the apartheid era in South Africa.

There is a need to start treating our comrades as equals, regardless of creed and race, for to treat them with mistrust and alienation will only destroy any affinity they have to Singapore. I feel as a Chinese-Indian, straddling a minority and majority culture, that this is a policy which commits a major injustice. And it is within the bounds of our power to correct.

I served as a Signaller in 35 SCE, HQ Company, from 2005 to 2006. The fact remains that the Signal Formation is distinct in its exclusion of Malays, as are certain other units, such as 39 SCE, CBRE Defence Group, the Armour Formation, Reconnaissance units and Military Intelligence amongst others. This is anecdotal evidence and also based on personal experience and observation within the institution – as most Singaporean men can attest to. The token Malays are a consolation, an exercise in Public Relations. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Malays are subject to an official policy of systemic general discrimination and treated with distrust even before enlistment. Malay absence from SAFOS scholarships and near-absence from SAF Merit Scholarships deserves special mention. This absence of Malays is an extension of the discrimination against the admission of Malays into senior and sensitive positions in the SAF that is officially sanctioned by this policy.

The discrimination against Malays has been discussed in parliament and the media, and is justified by the assertion that the loyalty of Malays cannot be assumed, both because they are Muslim and because they have a racial and ethnic affinity with the Malays in Malaysia and Indonesia (Barr,2006).

This discrimination hits Malay men hardest, first because it deprives many of promising careers in the military, and second—and more pertinent for our study of the elite—it all but completely excludes potentially high-flying Malays of a chance of entering the scholar class through the SAF (Barr,2006). To quote a blogger on this issue which I feel sums up the situation:

This policy of excluding local Malay-Muslims from sensitive key positions in the SAF has, for obvious reasons, drawn quite a bit of flak, not only from neighbouring countries which perceive it as an implicit suggestion that they, being of a Malay-Muslim majority, would be the enemies of Singapore but also from members of the local Malay-Muslim community who perceive it as an act of implicit discrimination and suggestion that they may be disloyal to Singapore. (LCC,2009)

Maintaining the policy is a detriment to social cohesion. Both by the implicit distrust expressed to all Malays as a community and a detriment to the SAF as a military force, by its discouragement and exclusion of a large pool of candidates from enlisting, with the knowledge of their limited career paths and progression. By pursuing this policy of Malay/Muslim discrimination, there is an implicit message sent to the minorities and the other communities that dissuades and works against any concept of national unity or investing in the nation-state as a stakeholder.

From psychology I would like to draw upon labelling theory and self-fulfilling prophecies. Labelling theory states that people gain labels from how other view their behaviour and tendencies, with individuals being aware of judgement from others due to attempting many different roles and functions in social interaction and gauging reactions of the community. This allows them to build a conception of their self, a subjective identity.

However as others intrude into reality of that life, the subjective identity changes as objective data, external to the person, is presented to them, forcing reappraisal of their identity. This reappraisal is dependent upon the authoritativeness of the person or institution making the judgement. Socially representative individuals and institutions such as policemen, judges, government officials and military commanders are perceived to make globally respected judgements. This reappraisal affects behaviour which attempts to fit within society's norms and conform to social roles, which are necessary for the organisation and function of any society.

When a highly authoritative institution such as the military and government apply a policy that discriminates implicitly, it sets in motion a pattern of interaction between the individual(s), community and society at large, with stereotypes reinforced and the behaviours engineered as a result. The pursuit of the discrimination policy almost certainly will result in creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of disengaging and alienating a large and significant community within Singaporean society from the nation as a whole. People end up engineering the behaviours they expected. If one expects betrayal, then one will get betrayal. It one expects loyalty, then one will get loyalty. You treat others with respect to get respect. This is the self-fulfilling prophecy, set in motion by the treatment extended and experienced.

Having openly stated the reason for the policy, of avoiding placing Malay personnel in situations where loyalties are conflicted, owing to national allegiance and religious affiliation, enough time has passed that the policy looks set for a thorough re-evaluation of both its practicality and scope. The younger generation are not as burdened by this question of conflicted loyalties as the older generation. We are Singaporeans first and foremost.

The words on the SAF crest, “Yang Pertama dan Utama, Tentera Singapura”, mean First and Foremost, a Soldier of Singapore. It is an obligation to the future generations and current generation to relook at this policy, without the baggage of the past.

I would like to conclude this with the following quote by Lee Hsien Loong. "There is no policy too sensitive to question, and no subject so taboo that you cannot even mention it."

This was said by Lee Hsien Loong when he was the Deputy Prime Minister in the Straits Times on 17 Jan 2000. Let us hold the man who is our current Prime Minister to this promise made in his younger days, for it is a chance to change an injustice inflicted on the Malay community.
 
WA RAO EH. HE STATING THE OBVIOUS!

the writer should refund TOC his remuneration for this article!!!!
 
i will gladly give up my NS place to any malay brudders who want to take my place and swap with him to serve in Poodle or Civil defense...anyone?
 
i will gladly give up my NS place to any malay brudders who want to take my place and swap with him to serve in Poodle or Civil defense...anyone?

brudder i heard CD is damn siong during training. but heard post to firestation relack relack bua long long :D
 
And you don't have to 'charge hill' in police and civil defence. No mosquitoes, sand flies, outfield training, live firing, ATEC and all that bullshit.
 
brudder i heard CD is damn siong during training. but heard post to firestation relack relack bua long long :D
CD no night training lights out at 9pm. Only those got criminal case but not serious enough for discharge from NS will get posted there.
 
There is a need to start treating our comrades as equals, regardless of creed and race, for to treat them with mistrust and alienation will only destroy any affinity they have to Singapore. I feel as a Chinese-Indian, straddling a minority and majority culture, that this is a policy which commits a major injustice. And it is within the bounds of our power to correct.

Having openly stated the reason for the policy, of avoiding placing Malay personnel in situations where loyalties are conflicted, owing to national allegiance and religious affiliation, enough time has passed that the policy looks set for a thorough re-evaluation of both its practicality and scope. The younger generation are not as burdened by this question of conflicted loyalties as the older generation. We are Singaporeans first and foremost.

because he is Chinese-Indian, he think he can state the obvious and stir shit?
 
because he is Chinese-Indian, he think he can state the obvious and stir shit?

Another CHUP CHENG?!!! I think the clerks at depot read dunno where to post him. WHAHAHA. he cannot go armour or arty he buay song izzit??
 
I served as a Signaller in 35 SCE, HQ Company, from 2005 to 2006. The fact remains that the Signal Formation is distinct in its exclusion of Malays, as are certain other units, such as 39 SCE, CBRE Defence Group, the Armour Formation, Reconnaissance units and Military Intelligence amongst others. This is anecdotal evidence and also based on personal experience and observation within the institution – as most Singaporean men can attest to. The token Malays are a consolation, an exercise in Public Relations. Only a fool would think otherwise.

mr chinese-indian,

dont think too much. there is no malays in signal, 39sce etc simply because there is no budget/space for malay cookhouse and separate cooking/eating utensils. do malays mind sharing the non-muslim food and utensils.

tell me now who is racist.
 
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/01/unfair-discrimination-of-malays-in-national-service/
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...............Malays are subject to an official policy of systemic general discrimination and treated with distrust even before enlistment. Malay absence from SAFOS scholarships and near-absence from SAF Merit Scholarships deserves special mention. This absence of Malays is an extension of the discrimination against the admission of Malays into senior and sensitive positions in the SAF that is officially sanctioned by this policy.

The discrimination against Malays has been discussed in parliament and the media, and is justified by the assertion that the loyalty of Malays cannot be assumed, both because they are Muslim and because they have a racial and ethnic affinity with the Malays in Malaysia and Indonesia (Barr,2006)......

Let me ask you this. You go buy Nasi Padang, some minah ahead of you orders a fish, some veggies, and rice, and she pays $3.50. Your turn comes, you order the same thing, and the bugger charges you $6.00. Why does this happen? Because s/he can get away with it. You want to give them more access to sensitive stuff? Place the tactical advantage in their hands?

Having said this, I have a couple of malays friends from old kampong days. They are not the same easy-go-lucky blokes as they were when we were younger. They're more to themselves nowadays. I do not know whether it is caused by the HDB environment or religion or their hot minah gfs have become fat.

Of course it'd be nice if we were all equals. But that time has not yet come. Malays as a minority racial group are not treated badly, they have to reciprocate.

I am not trying to stir racial shit here, just trying to fix it.

Cheers!
 
lianbeng sensed a time-bomb ticking away to blast off any moment.:D
tick...tick...tick...
 
I wish I was a Malay, fuck off NS and saved 2 youthful years of my life to jiakhong and tuang.

exactly, i don't see why the uptight regarding Malay not being in certain units etc.

actually they quite lucky...think on a larger picture, if given the choice, who want to serve? Driver not bad mah...so long drive carefully, relac and easy going, no nid to cheong suah.

go "sensitive" unit for fuck? Everyday got to watch your back and be careful about documents / what you say.

at the end of the day, serve 2 years and fuck off. unless u hardcore, wanna sign on...then i nothing to say.

otherwise, ask any NSF, who dun want to relac and fuck off after 2 years?
 
It's because the deliberate and systemic exclusion of Malays from certain 'sensitive' units clearly indicates that the SAF does not trust the Malay-Muslims.

They can deny this fact all they want, but the Melayus will never be granted a certain level of military clearance to get into these sensitive/classified units.

It is hypocrisy when compared to the highfalutin rhetoric of 'regardless of race, language or religion' or meritocracy.
 
39sce etc simply because there is no budget/space for malay cookhouse

bro,

you sure or not? unless you're from AFPN1437, otherwise very hard to substantiate this claim you know :o:o:o
 
exactly, i don't see why the uptight regarding Malay not being in certain units etc.

actually they quite lucky...think on a larger picture, if given the choice, who want to serve? Driver not bad mah...so long drive carefully, relac and easy going, no nid to cheong suah.

go "sensitive" unit for fuck? Everyday got to watch your back and be careful about documents / what you say.

at the end of the day, serve 2 years and fuck off. unless u hardcore, wanna sign on...then i nothing to say.

otherwise, ask any NSF, who dun want to relac and fuck off after 2 years?

Aiayh for these m&ds it's not becos of this. Yeah sure i'm sure they being lazy buggers wouldn't mind lobo job BUT they are super sensitive and just want to be allowed into those units so that they aren't left out. That's it. They just want to be included in and not cos they are hard working this type of shit.

At the end of the day it's always malays victims of racism no matter how good they are treated.
 
then r the chinese in malaysia excluded from malaysia armed force sensitive units? the chinese over there got kpkb a not? :D
 
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