These charts show how much more often unvaccinated Albertans are being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19

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These charts show how much more often unvaccinated Albertans are being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19​

Data accounts for age, vaccination status and population size of each group​


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Robson Fletcher · CBC News · Posted: Sep 16, 2021 8:21 PM MT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

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Kathryn Kazmerik, 32, receives her COVID-19 vaccine at the Telus Convention Centre mass-vaccination in Calgary on April 19, 2021. (Leah Hennel/AHS)

Recent rates of hospitalization, ICU admission and death among unvaccinated Albertans have been at least eight times higher — and as much as 60 times higher — compared to the fully vaccinated population, depending on which age range you look at.
That's according to a new CBC News analysis of data published by the provincial government.
Data experts with Alberta Health reviewed the analysis and confirmed the methodology as an effective way to compare severe outcomes relative to both vaccination status and age — while also accounting for the population sizes of each group.
These types of comparisons can be tricky, because the risk of severe outcomes increases with age, but so too does the rate of vaccination. As such, population-wide comparisons don't tell the full story.
For example, it's often reported that unvaccinated Albertans make up just 32 per cent of the population but a whopping 74 per cent of the COVID-19 patients in hospital. But this actually under-represents the risk for unvaccinated adults, because a huge proportion of the unvaccinated population is made up of children who are both ineligible for the vaccine and unlikely to end up in hospital.
Breaking the data down by age helps to better understand how things compare among the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated.
"Age, in particular, really controls a few outcomes here in the province," said Dr. Craig Jenne, a professor in the Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Infectious Diseases at the University of Calgary.

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Craig Jenne is an associate professor of microbiology, immunology and infectious diseases at the University of Calgary. (Jennifer Lee/CBC)
Jenne also reviewed the data analysis and says it illustrates how effective vaccination against COVID-19 has been in Alberta, so far.
"We see that there's huge protection offered by vaccines, and that's something I think gets missed in the daily updates when we simply see numbers or the percentage of people in hospital," he said.
Here's how it breaks down.

Hospitalizations​

It's well known by now that older people are far more likely to end up in hospital than younger people, but looking at the data by both age and vaccination status reveals some stark comparisons.
For instance, it shows that unvaccinated Albertans in their 30s have been ending up in hospital with COVID-19 at roughly the same rate as fully vaccinated Albertans over the age of 80.
From mid-May to mid-September, 400 unvaccinated people in their 30s were admitted to hospital with COVID-19.
That works out to a rate of about 146 hospitalizations per 100,000 unvaccinated 30-somethings over that four-month span.
And that's almost identical to the rate of hospitalization among fully vaccinated Albertans aged 80 and up.

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Meanwhile, among unvaccinated Albertans aged 80-plus, the rate was nine times higher — 1,271 hospitalizations per 100,000.
And the differences in ICU admissions were even starker.

Intensive care units​

Just seven fully vaccinated Albertans in their 50s have been admitted to an intensive care unit with COVID-19 since mid-May.
That compares to 181 unvaccinated people of the same age — despite the fact that there are far fewer of them.
Fully vaccinated 50-somethings were admitted to ICU at a rate of less than 3 per 100,000.
The rate among the unvaccinated, by comparison, was 139 per 100,000.

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It was a similar story among unvaccinated Albertans in their 60s and 70s, who were admitted to ICU at rates about 60 times higher than their fully vaccinated counterparts.
There were major differences among younger Albertans, as well.
Not a single fully vaccinated person under the age of 40 was admitted to ICU over the past four months.
That compares to 129 people under the age of 40 who were eligible for the vaccine but didn't get a shot.
One person in their 30s who was partially immunized, with a single dose of vaccine, did wind up in ICU during that time.

Deaths​

Similar with ICU admissions, there was not a single death among fully vaccinated Albertans under the age of 40 in the past four months.
That compares to seven deaths among unvaccinated people of the same age.

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When it comes to the most vulnerable age group — those 80 and over — there were 61 deaths among the unvaccinated, who represent a tiny proportion of the total population in that age range.
That translates to a rate of about 393 per 100,000.
The rate among fully vaccinated Albertans aged 80-plus, meanwhile, was 42 per 100,000.

Bottom line: Vaccinated versus unvaccinated​

For Jenne, the infectious-disease expert with the University of Calgary, the implications of the data are clear.
"Vaccines are dramatically reducing loss of life, hospitalization and intensive-care-unit admissions across the province," he said.
This can be seen, he said, by directly comparing the rates of hospitalization, ICU admission and death among the fully vaccinated and the unvaccinated in each age range.
Those numbers are set out in the table below

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As the number of COVID-19 patients in ICU set another new high on Thursday, the Alberta government reached out to Ontario to ask for help, incase Alberta completely runs out of capacity in the near future and needs to fly patients out of province for intensive care.
"I cannot stress enough how serious the situation is in our hospitals," said Dr. Verna Yiu, president and CEO of Alberta Health Services.
"I also cannot stress enough that we need your help. Please get immunized. ... The vaccine is safe — and effective."

Notes about the data and methodology:
Alberta Health publishes two different sets of data that were used for this analysis.
The first is the total number of people who have been hospitalized, admitted to ICU or died over the past 120 days, broken down by their age range and vaccination status.
The second is the number of people in each age range who are fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated or unvaccinated. For the purposes of the analysis, the size of the fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and unvaccinated population in each age range was calculated by taking an average of daily data over the past 120 days.
These population sizes were then used to calculate the rates of hospitalization, ICU admission and death per 100,000 fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and unvaccinated people in each age range.
This method doesn't account exactly for the individual vaccination status of every person who was hospitalized, admitted to ICU or died of COVID-19, but officials with Alberta Health said "as an overall method this approach does make sense" as means of making better comparisons between each of these sub-groups at an aggregate level.
One other caveat Alberta Health noted is that the data on hospitalization, ICU admission and death by vaccination status over the past 120 days defines a "fully vaccinated" person as someone who had their second dose at least two weeks earlier, and a "partially vaccinated" person as someone who had their first dose at least two weeks earlier. This differs from the vaccine-uptake data, in which the dates are "based strictly on receiving a dose."
 
@Leongsam any comments about the data and charts above?

Does look like the mRNA immuno-primer therapy (I will no longer call them "vaccines") reduces morbidity and mortality. Quite significantly.
 
@porcaputtana Singapore should publish charts and reports in this manner. Clear and easy for folks to understand.

Don't obfuscate the issue.

And I think it is time to stop calling it a "vaccine" as it demands expectations not in keeping with the results.
 
excellent.

good useful data instead of scaremongering. (oh this person died and you will to if you don't vaccinate)

Like to point out some takeaways from the dataset.
  1. Young age group so broad. useless for decision making. 12-29??
  2. Younger than 40 have to be really kiasi to vaccinate.
  3. Older than 80, might as well just not vaccinate and die if your quality of life lacking. The vaccine just prolongs your suffering.
  4. It's apparent to me that politicians in Western countries seem more terrified at the prospect of running out of hospital resources more than actual deaths.
 
A little bit of spare time. Unsure how long I'll be here.

This point I think already reasonably well-answered from general observations. Vaccine is a total misnomer. See Israel? BC Interior? I find it people really not awake if such case numbers can be had if largely "vaccinated" populations can have such high transmission numbers. I would expect to see something like 15% of the raw case numbers if it did mitigate transmission.

That's actually another issue. Too much waste in the system. Money going to bureaucracy rather than healthcare. I leave it to you to expound on this.
 
A little bit of spare time. Unsure how long I'll be here.




This point I think already reasonably well-answered from general observations. Vaccine is a total misnomer. See Israel? BC Interior? I find it people really not awake if such case numbers can be had if largely "vaccinated" populations can have such high transmission numbers. I would expect to see something like 15% of the raw case numbers if it did mitigate transmission.



That's actually another issue. Too much waste in the system. Money going to bureaucracy rather than healthcare. I leave it to you to expound on this.
How can vaccine be a misnomer ?

it prevents you from getting serious covid . That does its job.

it does not prevent you from getting and shedding the virus thereby transmitting it to other people . It’s not a magic shield .

hence the need to mask and social distance

please don’t get obsessed with semantics . It gives the rabid anti-vaxxers fuel to add to their fire
 
How can vaccine be a misnomer ?

it prevents you from getting serious covid . That does its job.

it does not prevent you from getting and shedding the virus thereby transmitting it to other people . It’s not a magic shield .

hence the need to mask and social distance

please don’t get obsessed with semantics . It gives the rabid anti-vaxxers fuel to add to their fire

I think semantics is important. The term anti-vaxxing existed before the covid vaccine.. hence calling the immunotherapy treatment Comirnaty a vaccine is indeed a misnomer (it was planned to be a vaccine but it is not).

This misnomer has allowed anti-vaxxers to use semantics to argue their case.

Sure they might still protest that the mRNA based immunotherapy is dangerous. But then you can't give them the pleasure of calling them anti-vaxxers anymore. I generally believe anti-vaxxers are very proud to call themselves anti-vaxxers.

Part of vaccination program is to achieve herd immunity. The failure of Comirnaty and other mRNA immunotherapy to prevent infection and transmission means herd immunity has to be achieved the natural way. However the immunotherapy reduces morbidity and mortality in those who get infected. So that's still an overall benefit. I will leave the long term risks and complications for discussion to another time as this is a continually evolving pandemic.
 
@porcaputtana Singapore should publish charts and reports in this manner. Clear and easy for folks to understand.

Don't obfuscate the issue.

And I think it is time to stop calling it a "vaccine" as it demands expectations not in keeping with the results.

Singapore already published similar results a couple of months ago although not in such detail as to segregate in detail by age group.

There is no doubt that the vaccines work and I don't think there are that many people who believe otherwise.

The vast majority of those labelled as "anti vaxxers" are actually "I don't trust mRNA rushed vacciners" and that includes myself.

The fact that so many old fart sinkies opted for the sinovac vaccine proves this point.

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Singapore already published similar results a couple of months ago although not in such detail as to split down by age groups.

There is no doubt that the vaccines work and I don't think there are that many people who believe otherwise.

The vast majority of those labelled as "anti vaxxers" are actually "I don't trust mRNA rushed vacciners" and that includes myself.

The fact that so many old fart sinkies opted for the sinovac vaccine proves this point.

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I think one of the very good ways of presenting the data with the CBC article is to provide the cases per 100k and compare them between with treated with Immunotherapy and not treated with Immunotherapy.

I am not going to use the word vaccination when describing treatments like Comirnaty anymore. Even in the Singapore data presentation (which is very obfuscating BTW) they say the chance of contracting covid is 1 in 26 vs 1 in 13 for the untreated. Man. That's only reducing the chances by half.....you wanna call that a vaccine? Come on!!!! They could have just said getting the injection reduces your risk of catching covid by half. Probably nobody will go for it right? Joke!

Perhaps the scientists all knew that it wasn't going to be a vaccination program. More immunotherapy.

But for marketing purposes, acceptability etc they went with that marketing push. Smart.

Imagine if they called it immunotherapy. Immune system primer. Sensitization therapy. Allow your immune system to have a tickle of the covid-19 (as @porcaputtana nicely put it)

I think there might be even MORE push back that this is some kind of rushed novel unheard of treatment!

Oh well. It is what it is.
 
@Leongsam

actually looking back. Full of lies. Unless they honestly had no idea. But I dont think so.

The push for the Comirnaty was to end restrictions that helped slow spread of covid.

But we now know it only reduced the risk of contracting it by 50% that's not enough to say stop all restrictions and open up fully.

Crazy man!

You tell hospital staff hey we gonna give you X medicine reduces your risk of catching Y disease. So no need PPE!

Can? Cannot right! right @SOS ?
 
I'll answer this first :
please don’t get obsessed with semantics . It gives the rabid anti-vaxxers fuel to add to their fire

From where I'm sitting you have done a perfectly adequate job of encouraging the "anti-vaxxers" for the last few months. I'll explain below.


How can vaccine be a misnomer ?

it prevents you from getting serious covid . That does its job.

it does not prevent you from getting and shedding the virus thereby transmitting it to other people . It’s not a magic shield .

hence the need to mask and social distance

Tell me. In your experience as a doctor, does the general public understand medical terms well? I'm going to go with a negative.

Now, please tell me to the best of your imagination what ah seng thinks a vaccine is. I'm willing to bet that it differs quite significantly from the description you provided above that I quoted.

Now try and extrapolate ah seng's perception with what you're propounding. Will it then encourage said person to believe you more or less?

Please feel free to correct any assumptions I've made in my reply.

I'm not obsessing over semantics. I personally hate that more than anyone else I know. I'm pointing out the discrepancies between your beliefs and what the anti-vaxxers believe and why the medical establishment is running into resistance as a whole.

The issue is deeper than I can be bothered to write about now, but if you don't care to acknowledge the gulf in between the assumptions you made based on your experiences and in those opposing you, you're only going to entrench "anti-vaxxer" beliefs against you.

Now, I know you're a doctor and if you're an anaesthetist as @nayr69sg presumes you to be I'm not going to bother going on because you're not going to be 1st contact point interfacing with patients.

For the record, I've had my BNT162b2 already because it is the most logical course of action. But I'm dead against vaccine ID and I don't care to be bullied into vaccinating by governments. But according to a whole bunch of people, I'm an anti-vaxxer.
 
to put more of a point to what you said. If we all knew that vaccines would not "vaccine" would Dr. Deena be in the mountain of shit she's in now? CMO thinks a vaccine is a full-on vaccine and drops all protective measures and now everyone in AB is neck deep in sai.

You can tell your friend @porcaputtana from AB's experience, that it helps differentiate what a vaccine is supposed to do. He probably has a different view in sg.
 
I'll answer this first :


From where I'm sitting you have done a perfectly adequate job of encouraging the "anti-vaxxers" for the last few months. I'll explain below.




Tell me. In your experience as a doctor, does the general public understand medical terms well? I'm going to go with a negative.

Now, please tell me to the best of your imagination what ah seng thinks a vaccine is. I'm willing to bet that it differs quite significantly from the description you provided above that I quoted.

Now try and extrapolate ah seng's perception with what you're propounding. Will it then encourage said person to believe you more or less?

Please feel free to correct any assumptions I've made in my reply.

I'm not obsessing over semantics. I personally hate that more than anyone else I know. I'm pointing out the discrepancies between your beliefs and what the anti-vaxxers believe and why the medical establishment is running into resistance as a whole.

The issue is deeper than I can be bothered to write about now, but if you don't care to acknowledge the gulf in between the assumptions you made based on your experiences and in those opposing you, you're only going to entrench "anti-vaxxer" beliefs against you.

Now, I know you're a doctor and if you're an anaesthetist as @nayr69sg presumes you to be I'm not going to bother going on because you're not going to be 1st contact point interfacing with patients.

For the record, I've had my BNT162b2 already because it is the most logical course of action. But I'm dead against vaccine ID and I don't care to be bullied into vaccinating by governments. But according to a whole bunch of people, I'm an anti-vaxxer.
Nope . The people in this forum will never believe any reason . They are just here to go against whatever logic and pound their chests and howl against the establishment. It’s their only outlet in their pathetic lives .

in any case the anti vaxxers days are over . The country will open up and move on. And the government will bully you into submission in whatever way they see fit.
 
Nope . The people in this forum will never believe any reason . They are just here to go against whatever logic and pound their chests and howl against the establishment. It’s their only outlet in their pathetic lives .

in any case the anti vaxxers days are over . The country will open up and move on. And the government will bully you into submission in whatever way they see fit.

I am quite intrigued that this immunotherapy disguised as fake vaccine will now cause massive infection rates among those untreated (ie the anti vaxxers). Plus high morbidity and mortality!

I wonder how this might change their perspectives about TRUE vaccines in fhe future.
 
@Leongsam

actually looking back. Full of lies. Unless they honestly had no idea. But I dont think so.

The push for the Comirnaty was to end restrictions that helped slow spread of covid.

But we now know it only reduced the risk of contracting it by 50% that's not enough to say stop all restrictions and open up fully.

Crazy man!

You tell hospital staff hey we gonna give you X medicine reduces your risk of catching Y disease. So no need PPE!

Can? Cannot right! right @SOS ?

In the modern history of humanity, pandemics are over in 4-5 years and peaked during Year 2.5 to 3.5
Especially that COVID is like a stronger flu, we have a good chance of developing natural immunity (since it don't kill 10% of infected like SARS) in Year 3.

Next year is Year 3, based on these data, we will be better in 9-18 months time.
........unless COVID is man made.
 
In the modern history of humanity, pandemics are over in 4-5 years and peaked during Year 2.5 to 3.5
Especially that COVID is like a stronger flu, we have a good chance of developing natural immunity (since it don't kill 10% of infected like SARS) in Year 3.

Next year is Year 3, based on these data, we will be better in 9-18 months time.
........unless COVID is man made.
For me the next immediate question is the mRNA immunotherapy they gave us.....the benefits of reduced morbidity and mortality.....does it wane after 6 months?

If it disappears after 6.9 months then we might see another wave among the treated when the effects wear off.

Wont be surprised pharma says you need a booster then! LHL very quick to get the booster liao. May be correct. Then become 6 monthly treatments. Twice a year. Forever. Unless you want to risk catching covid without "neo adjuvant" immunotherapy.

This would work well into the business plans from pharma.

And is covid man made? Possible.

Sigh.

Fingers crossed I am being paranoid.
 
For me the next immediate question is the mRNA immunotherapy they gave us.....the benefits of reduced morbidity and mortality.....does it wane after 6 months?

If it disappears after 6.9 months then we might see another wave among the treated when the effects wear off.

Wont be surprised pharma says you need a booster then! LHL very quick to get the booster liao. May be correct. Then become 6 monthly treatments. Twice a year. Forever. Unless you want to risk catching covid without "neo adjuvant" immunotherapy.

This would work well into the business plans from pharma.

And is covid man made? Possible.

Sigh.

Fingers crossed I am being paranoid.

haha, I am not a doctor. You know better.
 
haha, I am not a doctor. You know better.
Doctors dont know anything. We study so many things so many years is to make us more stupid.

Thats why they are told not to influence patients in any way regarding medical decisions. Patients who never study medicine know better.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...are-exert-your-patient-autonomy-2018050713784


Patient autonomy: The right of patients to make decisions about their medical care without their health care provider trying to influence the decision. Patient autonomy does allow for health care providers to educate the patient but does not allow the health care provider to make the decision for the patient.
 
Nope . The people in this forum will never believe any reason . They are just here to go against whatever logic and pound their chests and howl against the establishment. It’s their only outlet in their pathetic lives .

in any case the anti vaxxers days are over . The country will open up and move on. And the government will bully you into submission in whatever way they see fit.
You are spot on. I think most people who refuse the vaccines are people with an underlying axe to grind with either the gahment who they blame 100% for their failure in life or have a fear of injections. The rest are mostly the low IQ type that are fed with misinformation and lies and believes them.

There's bad news for the 10% unvaxxed by choice though... they can expect more "ideas" from the gahment to make their lives sweeter as they ramp up the gear to protect 100% Sinkees.
 
For me the next immediate question is the mRNA immunotherapy they gave us.....the benefits of reduced morbidity and mortality.....does it wane after 6 months?

If it disappears after 6.9 months then we might see another wave among the treated when the effects wear off.

Wont be surprised pharma says you need a booster then! LHL very quick to get the booster liao. May be correct. Then become 6 monthly treatments. Twice a year. Forever. Unless you want to risk catching covid without "neo adjuvant" immunotherapy.

This would work well into the business plans from pharma.

And is covid man made? Possible.

Sigh.

Fingers crossed I am being paranoid.


Found this from the other forum:

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