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"the virus will not be contained. The chance for containment has long passed."

Tell that to the maids at Lucky Plaza.

Many innocent people have been killed by automobiles. Taxi passengers, pedestrians who were just walking along the footpaths or those just having a drink at a cafe.
Till date. Looks like a majority of the population most likely the 70% wants the lockdown to go on indefinitely. They prefer total economic collapse and starvation n the miseries associated with it to getting a flu n taking ones chances. Wat a damn bloody selfish lot. Guess singkies prefer living in misery. Poverty n starvation than dying as free men. That explains the 70% n their love of the pap
 
Tell that to the maids at Lucky Plaza.

Many innocent people have been killed by automobiles. Taxi passengers, pedestrians who were just walking along the footpaths or those just having a drink at a cafe.
KNN my uncle rather tell @ginfreely you fucking slut driver driving alongside big truck to overcome fear wtf KNN you are the type that caused rta KNN
 
Till date. Looks like a majority of the population most likely the 70% wants the lockdown to go on indefinitely. They prefer total economic collapse and starvation n the miseries associated with it to getting a flu n taking ones chances. Wat a damn bloody selfish lot. Guess singkies prefer living in misery. Poverty n starvation than dying as free men. That explains the 70% n their love of the pap
You have to understand that there are many people in Singapore who have iron ricebowls thanks to the PAP. These are the people who don't mind sitting at home while their salary is still being paid.
 
Need to support TCM.

It is the answer to all the mysteries of life and death. TCM cures all and e everything and anything!
 
You have to understand that there are many people in Singapore who have iron ricebowls thanks to the PAP. These are the people who don't mind sitting at home while their salary is still being paid.
KNN when people choose their career or job all these already needs to be taken into account KNN rike my uncle chosen something that is essential amidst this pandemic he still needs to work onsite KNN the job needs him more than he need the job KNN people who chose to do own business need to take calculated risk KNN same for those who chose to be in other non essential as employees KNN they cannot think life owe them a living in the first place they chosen this job themselves KNN
 
KNN when people choose their career or job all these already needs to be taken into account KNN rike my uncle chosen something that is essential amidst this pandemic he still needs to work onsite KNN the job needs him more than he need the job KNN people who chose to do own business need to take calculated risk KNN same for those who chose to be in other non essential as employees KNN they cannot think life owe them a living in the first place they chosen this job themselves KNN
The problem is people dont eat TCM. If they did guaranteed never kena covid19 nothing to be scared!

EU yan sang learned the secrets of the universe but was not allowed to sell it. So they sell a fraction of it. If govt allow Yu ying seng to sell more of the universe it will make the multiverse a better place all over and round and round. No more problem all over upside and downside and flat side.
 
The COVID VIRUS HAD ALREADY BEEN CONTAINED BUT ONLY IN CHINA!!

TIONGKOK HU ARKBAR!

All the rest MUST DIE!

COVID HU ARKBAR!
 
The problem is people dont eat TCM. If they did guaranteed never kena covid19 nothing to be scared!

EU yan sang learned the secrets of the universe but was not allowed to sell it. So they sell a fraction of it. If govt allow Yu ying seng to sell more of the universe it will make the multiverse a better place all over and round and round. No more problem all over upside and downside and flat side.
KNN EU yan seng is selling Hopes which is supposed to be essential KNN now if govt disallow it to sell then smart people should know is not essential KNN
 
KNN EU yan seng is selling Hopes which is supposed to be essential KNN now if govt disallow it to sell then smart people should know is not essential KNN
What hope? They have the Secrets of the universe of the microverse of the universe of the autobot verse of the paramjeeyverse of the kkjverse.
 
I think the bottom line is that we have to accept that it will kill a lot of people just like cars kill a lot of people and carry on with life in the normal manner.
If it is not contained and if you suggested going on herd immunity, it is going to kill all the "old men" in this forum and you can close shop this forum.
 
If it is not contained and if you suggested going on herd immunity, it is going to kill all the "old men" in this forum and you can close shop this forum.
Hum sup man. Peace.
 
If it is not contained and if you suggested going on herd immunity, it is going to kill all the "old men" in this forum and you can close shop this forum.


It won't kill ALL it will kill between 3% of those in their 60s and 15% of those in their 80s and in that age bracket we're going to lose some to heart attacks, strokes and cancer anyway. Nobody lives forever and neither will this forum.

Once I kick the bucket the forum is gone for good because there'll be nobody around the pay the hosting fees and the hosting company will just pull the plug and recommission the server.
 
It won't kill ALL it will kill between 3% of those in their 60s and 15% of those in their 80s and in that age bracket we're going to lose some to heart attacks, strokes and cancer anyway. Nobody lives forever and neither will this forum.

Once I kick the bucket the forum is gone for good because there'll be nobody around the pay the hosting fees and the hosting company will just pull the plug and recommission the server.

I will be very sad when that happens.

Sam can you make arrangements for someone to come in here to tell us the news before the forum is pulled off the internet?

We can all mourn and give our tributes to you and then say goodbye to our bros here.

Let us have closure.

I will really be sad. Honestly
 
I will be very sad when that happens.

Sam can you make arrangements for someone to come in here to tell us the news before the forum is pulled off the internet?

We can all mourn and give our tributes to you and then say goodbye to our bros here.

Let us have closure.

I will really be sad. Honestly

Will do. I'll get my tech guy to make the announcement.
 
IFR rate is constant? Why did Wuhan build a hospital in 10 days then? Why did we prepare CRCs then? It is to ensure the healthcare system won’t be overwhelmed, so as to keep death rate low, isn’t it?

the point 6 is warped, and his own point 7 already countered point 6. Yes, the death rate dips as more people are tested at this point in time because it will show that this WuFlu is not any more lethal than flu. And this assertion is still on the premise that no virulent and lethal variants are generated from the natural course of mutation, coupled with that understanding that the milder strains of COVID has better reproductive success.
China built hospital is overrated. Just a giant facility for isolation wards, no medical equipment, just crowded wards for the afflicted like our expo now. Just for propaganda purposes. :cautious:
 
I will now update my AMD to include no treatment for the wuhan virus infection so I can move on in peace. Wince it might cause a stroke n surviving a stroke is a fate worse than death.

'New mechanism for stroke?': Blood clotting in coronavirus patients has experts looking at role of viruses in causing stroke
Posted 15 hours ago, updated21 hours ago
A patient in bed surrounded by doctors.
Clotting may be a major factor in organ damage from COVID-19, according to new findings.(AP: Zhang Yuwei Via Xinhua)
A growing body of evidence is painting a grim picture of how coronavirus can wreak havoc from one end of the body to the other.

It's well established that COVID-19 affects the respiratory system and targets the lungs. But several studies and anecdotal evidence suggest the disease may also cause super-charged blood clotting that damages vital organs, including the kidneys, heart and brain.

The New England Journal of Medicine recently published a case report on a small cluster of strokes in New York that involved young, healthy people, who had the virus but no known risk factors for stroke.

But strokes, where a clot blocks blood flow to the brain, appear to be just one way damage from clotting can play out in COVID-19 patients.

There are also reports of 'COVID toes' - painful red inflammations of the feet linked to blood clots.

Then there is the widely reported story of 41-year-old Broadway actor Nick Cordero, whose right leg was amputated after he developed severe blood clots while he was in hospital being treated for coronavirus.

'New mechanism for stroke'
Some experts suggest that what's going on may represent an entirely new way in which blood clots can form.

It might be the case that viruses generally have a more direct role in causing strokes than has been previously thought, says an Australian doctor working on the frontline against COVID-19 in New York.

"We are asking ourselves... have we just discovered a new mechanism of stroke?" says Associate Professor Thomas Oxley, Interventional Neurologist at New York's Mt Sinai Hospital, where thousands of COVID-19 patients have been treated.

Strokes kill brain cells and are a major cause of death and disability. They can cause changes in language, mood, vision and movement. In up to 30 per cent of strokes, the cause is unknown.

Dr Oxley says there is some evidence the clotting leading to strokes and other issues might be being triggered directly by an interaction between the virus and the blood vessel wall.

"I'm a stroke neurologist but we don't usually think about viral infection as a cause for stroke. That [idea] is something very new in medicine."

The role of blood clots
Dr Oxley says the links coming to light between the virus and blood clotting show the virus is affecting the body's blood system, as well as the respiratory system.

"Up to this point, we've been focusing on pneumonia as the primary problem caused by COVID-19," Dr Oxley says. Pneumonia is when the tiny air sacs in the lungs become full of fluid, making it hard to breathe.

"We are now learning there is another major cause of disease by COVID and it's got to do with the formation of blood clots."

Among the problems doctors around the world have been reporting are an increase in clots in the deep veins of the legs (known as deep vein thrombosis or DVT) and the lungs (pulmonary embolisms).

Around one in four people with coronavirus who end up in intensive care will develop a pulmonary embolism, while the incidence of clots in the deep veins of the legs or in the lungs is 30 to 70 per cent.

The same underlying problem is thought to be behind an increased number of strokes observed in multiple medical centres in New York and other COVID-19 hot spots around the world.

The New York stroke cluster observed by Dr Oxley's team was especially worrying as it involved young, healthy people who were at home with only mild COVID-19 symptoms. But they suddenly developed signs of stroke in large blood vessels in their brains.

The pattern of abnormal blood clotting is being recognised as a new phenomenon doctors are calling 'COVID-19-associated coagulopathy' or CAC.

Treatment guidelines are changing to more aggressively target blood clotting in COVID-19 patients.(AAP: David Mariuz)
Dr Oxley says that following concerns by a consensus of doctors, Mount Sinai Hospital has just changed its treatment guidelines for COVID-19 patients.

It is now recommending all new patients coming to intensive care with the disease be given more aggressive treatment with so-called "blood thinning" medication to reduce clot risk.

"What we're learning is coming out so quickly, it's putting pressure on everyone to get their heads together," Dr Oxley says.

"I think there is now enough evidence to support the idea that a major mechanism of the virus causing disease is through blood clots."

How blood clots cause harm
It's thought blood clots cause damage in multiple ways.

In the lungs, it seems clots can interfere with blood flow in small blood vessels, preventing oxygen passing from the lungs to the blood.

As intensive care specialist Professor Hugh Montgomery, from University College London, told 7.30: "Blood essentially is coming into the lung full of carbon dioxide and without much oxygen and it is transiting the lung... in exactly the state that it came in."

Professor Bruce Campbell, head of stroke neurology at Royal Melbourne Hospital, says there haven't yet been reports of strokes linked to COVID-19 in Australia, but that this might be simply because of the much smaller number of COVID-19 cases here.

"Our concern is more that people [in Australia] with stroke symptoms are avoiding or delaying coming to hospital for fear of [catching] the virus," he says.

Understanding causes of blood clots
The reason for the blood clotting problems in COVID-19 is not known.

In severe cases of COVID-19, possible causes include underlying medical conditions, being immobile, and an abnormal immune reaction known as a "cytokine storm".

But the risk of clots in COVID-19 generally is significantly greater than what is usually seen in patients in hospital and intensive care units.

Since strokes occurred even in young healthy people with COVID-19, Dr Oxley thinks a process where the virus attacks the lining of blood vessels, causing local inflammation, that could then trigger clots, might be another option.

He said a recent article in the medical journal The Lancet supported this idea. It showed the virus attached to lock and key mechanisms, known as ACE2 receptors, on the inner walls of blood vessels of patients.

"It's is mind blowing to think the virus could directly cause blood clots," said Dr Oxley, adding what is being seen could represent an entirely new mechanism of disease.

"The broader question is how much don't we know about viruses yet? And how will it change future practice moving forward?"

Professor Huyen Tran, who specialises in blood disorders and is on Australia's COVID-19 National Clinical Evidence Taskforce, says he did not think there was enough evidence yet to recommend Australian hospitals follow the changed guidelines started at New York's Mt Sinai Hospital.

But the benefits of more aggressive treatment to prevent blood clots in critically ill COVID patients is being studied in a trial in Italy.
 
Tell that to the maids at Lucky Plaza.

Many innocent people have been killed by automobiles. Taxi passengers, pedestrians who were just walking along the footpaths or those just having a drink at a cafe.
Not to mention those getting hit by pmds and bicycles...
 
You have to understand that there are many people in Singapore who have iron ricebowls thanks to the PAP. These are the people who don't mind sitting at home while their salary is still being paid.
Many but not all n definitely not a majority have these so called iron rice bowls. The main issue is singkies are very kiasee. Even with data proving that the wuhan virus is no different to the flu. The majority still hype up the hysteria. Look at the forumners here. Keep counting the infection rate like as if its aids. In curable n a death sentence. When one additional person dies. They talk like it's the be all n end all despite the dead person is mainly old n sickly. Not looking at the circumstances of the victim. N when 1 young person dies...God forbid the hysteria is played up even more. If singkies are soo afraid. They should have hyped up the flu as well n we can b in lockdown forever. Let's all destroy the economy n starve in the process. The best option for singkies
 
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