The experts have finally found the courage to back up what I have been saying all along....

The key is that we now know the covid19 is not that deadly. Highly contagious. But most get mild symptoms. Does affect vulnerable populations of the elderly more.

So the target group will be elderly.

On the other hand the worry is if we do not make any effort at all to contain then 10% of vulnerable population might die.

Rethink strategy now.
 
The key is that we now know the covid19 is not that deadly. Highly contagious. But most get mild symptoms. Does affect vulnerable populations of the elderly more.

So the target group will be elderly.

On the other hand the worry is if we do not make any effort at all to contain then 10% of vulnerable population might die.

Rethink strategy now.
The fatality of the old and infirmed is a blessing to themselves and society as a whole. Their suffering ends and their family can move on. What is wrong with that? Death is part of life,,,deal with it
 
i think boss is right. all these social media are orchestrating and manipulating a gullible public to make covid19 a monster. in fact it is another one of the flu bug. the fear bug and the panic bug are worse and they are the ones that cause people to fight , to kill, to be a bigoted racist and fanatical anti china. shit head man.
 
How does coronavirus compare to Spanish flu? COVID-19 has important differences to the 1918 outbreak
By the Specialist Reporting Team's Brad Ryan
Updated about 11 hours ago

A group of nurses wear face masks during the 1919 Spanish Flu outbreak.PHOTO: A group of Brisbane nurses don face masks during the Spanish flu pandemic (State Library of Queensland)
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As experts try to get a handle on how the coronavirus outbreak might play out, they are making comparisons to past outbreaks like SARS, MERS and swine flu.

Some credible experts are even likening the COVID-19 outbreak to the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

The WA head of the Australian Medical Association, Andrew Miller, recently said: "The truth is, we probably haven't seen a virus like this one since 1918, with the Spanish flu."

And the Government's health sector emergency response plan for coronavirus outlines several scenarios, the worst of which says, "the level of impact may be similar to that of the 1918 H1N1 'Spanish flu'".

It's a grim comparison…
Doctors commonly refer to the Spanish flu outbreak as "the greatest medical holocaust in history".

At the end of World War I, about 500 million people were infected with the H1N1 Spanish flu.

"It left its mark on world history," says University of Melbourne professor James McCaw, a disease expert who mathematically modelled the biology and transmission of the disease.

"It killed 40 to 100 million people across the world in a very short period of time."
There's no expert consensus on where it first broke out — it became known as the Spanish flu, but only because wartime censorship in other countries meant Spain was the first place it received widespread press attention.

Many believe it probably started in army training camps on the Western Front. Soldiers returning from the war brought it back to their home countries.

Others, though, think it broke out in the US state of Kansas and was spread around the world by American soldiers.

In Australia, which had a population of 5 million, about 15,000 people died.

A black and white image of dozens of white tents set up on an oval with people milling aboutPHOTO: In Adelaide, about 100 military tents were set up on Jubilee Oval for a quarantine camp. (State Library of SA: PRG 1638/2/99)


Are Spanish flu and coronavirus similar?
Spanish influenza and COVID-19 are both infectious respiratory illnesses, and they share some symptoms.

Both can cause fever, coughing and aches, and both can lead to pneumonia. Both vary from mild to fatal.

Biologically, the two diseases are very different — but the comparison persists because "novel" — or new — viruses are rare.

Novel viruses can be particularly dangerous because immunity in human populations is low, and it takes time to understand new viruses and develop vaccines and treatments.

"Whenever we see a pandemic, we are seeing something similar to other pandemics so that's a fair enough comparison to make," says Ian Mackay, a virologist from the University of Queensland.

"But this is a very different virus to a pandemic influenza. It is a totally different virus and it spreads differently; it causes a different disease; it seems to target different groups."

A team of doctors and nurses in 1919 pose with quarantine masks on outside Parramatta.PHOTO: NSW implemented strict health initiatives like quarantining and mandatory use of face masks. (State Archives and Records NSW)


People wear masks at Hong Kong airport.PHOTO: Face masks have become a common sight in some parts of the world during the coronavirus outbreak. (AP: Kin Cheung)


The world is responding with similar social controls
A century ago, medical knowledge was obviously well behind where it is today.

"People had never even heard of influenza as a virus," says Kirsty Short, an influenza virologist at the University of Queensland who has studied the pandemic.

"So how on Earth could you deal with that and contain it when you didn't even know of the pathogen?"

But governments knew enough to introduce travel bans, quarantine rules and social distancing measures — similar to those today's governments have brought in around the world.

"Cinemas and festivals were closed down," Professor McCaw says.

"People were asked to not congregate in shops and places like that.

"So there were widespread efforts to limit contact among people — and they were highly successful in reducing transmission."

Those controls could prove even more successful this time
Professor McCaw says we can take heart from what's happened in China — where the Hubei province has been locked down, school and businesses closed, factories ground to a halt and people encouraged to stay at home.

A black and white photo showing a view from above of a large room filled with nurses and people in hospital beds.PHOTO: In 1918, the Oakland Municipal Auditorium in California became a temporary hospital. (Wikimedia Commons: Edward A "Doc" Rogers at Oakland Public Library)


A man stands in the middle of rows of beds in a large convention centre.PHOTO: A convention centre that was converted into a temporary hospital in Wuhan in China's Hubei province. (Chinatopix via AP, file)


"What's happened in China gives very clear evidence that we can get what's called the 'reproduction number' under one," Professor McCaw says.

"So at the moment in China, on average, each person infected with coronavirus is passing that infection on to fewer than one other person.

"If people hadn't changed their behaviour, we would have expected somewhere around the millions of cases in China by now instead of the comparatively small number of around 100,000."

So, he says, it looks like the transmissibility of coronavirus can be significantly modified through social distancing and good hygiene.

"We could do that for flu in 1918 but not to the same extent as this one."
Largely, he says, that is because people with influenza are generally infectious for a day or two before they are aware they are sick — whereas people with coronavirus do not appear to be as infectious before they develop symptoms.

"And this is really good news — it means that as long as someone who has developed symptoms is vigilant [and] reduces their contact with other people, they won't infect as many other people as they may well have otherwise," Professor McCaw says.

Black and white photo showing three men with shovels burying coffins in a long trench.PHOTO: The 1918 influenza pandemic was so deadly some countries ran out of coffins. (Wikimedia Commons)


Spanish flu and coronavirus appear to target different age groups
Dr Short says one of the unusual features of the 1918 pandemic was it particularly hit those "in the middle ages of life — so around 35-40 or so".

"Normally when you see a flu outbreak, it typically affects the very young and the very old," she says.

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"But in this particular outbreak of [Spanish] flu, the elderly weren't nearly as susceptible and that's probably because they had some sort of cross-protective immunity from a pre-existing infection."

In contrast, coronavirus causes a mild illness for most people, but the elderly are much more susceptible to being severely affected.

The clinical outcomes of the two diseases are also very different for children, adds Professor McCaw.

"For influenza, children are a hub for infection and transmission, and all parents are aware of the infectious potential of their young children," he says.

"Strangely, and surprisingly perhaps, for coronavirus, children seem to be largely unaffected and those who are infected have less severe illness."

Many who died in 1918 were not killed by the Spanish flu
A lot of the flu's victims actually died from secondary bacterial infections, Dr Short says.

"So it wasn't necessarily the virus itself that was killing people, but it was making them more susceptible to other infections that were ultimately fatal," she says.

"We don't seem to see the same thing happening with this novel coronavirus."

In 1918, doctors did not know how to best treat bacterial infections.

"This was in the pre-antibiotic era," Dr Short says.

"So there weren't really many treatment options available for people who had those secondary bacterial infections."

Three watercolour drawings of rounded particles on yellowing paper.PHOTO: An illustration of the H1N1 Spanish flu, though the influenza virus was not properly identified until the 1930s. (Wikimedia Commons: Wellcome Images)


A grey sphere with red and orange blotches.PHOTO: An illustration of COVID-19 provided by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (AP: CDC)


So, could we be in for a similar pandemic?
Dr Short says the 1918 pandemic was a real worst-case scenario.

"We're not going to see that sort of level of mortality, that mortality was driven by the social context of the outbreak," she says.

"We had a viral outbreak, at the same time as the end of a world war, hitting at a time when people didn't really have any knowledge of virology or infectious diseases."

Your questions on coronavirus answered


Modern medicine means much better care is available now than it was then.

"We've already got a lot of scientists working on novel therapies and novel vaccines to try to protect the general population," Dr Short says.

"In 1918, there were some homemade remedies like opium, but they weren't overly effective, as you can imagine. So it is a very, very different scenario."

But both Dr Short and Professor McCaw stress it's early days, and predictions remain difficult to make.

"Exactly how the coronavirus spreads through the Australian population and what the consequences will be, it's too early to predict that," Professor McCaw says.

"So how eventually it compares to the 1918-19 flu, in terms of overall infection numbers and fatalities is, at the moment, impossible to predict."
 
I agree it's a common flu for most people under 40.....but what about 20% cases that go into critical condition?
 
The fatality of the old and infirmed is a blessing to themselves and society as a whole. Their suffering ends and their family can move on. What is wrong with that? Death is part of life,,,deal with it
Politically incorrect.
 
Politically incorrect.
Political correctness has nothing to do with facts, scientific or other wise.. And it has no bearing on the wuhan virus which is just as deadly as the common flu. Only idiots would fall for such crap and cannot see its hyped up by the media n special interest groups. If that the case, humans are no different to sheep. They are just as stupid if not more. Think of the amount of damage political correctness has done.

 
I agree it's a common flu for most people under 40.....but what about 20% cases that go into critical condition?
Death is part of life deal with it. Humans are not meant to be immortals. And everyone dies. If one dies of wuhan virus due to a compromised immune system, the chap can die of a common flu. They expect the whole world to quarantine themselves in an influenza B pandemic? Like that the whole world should stay at home n dont go out. Go out might get cancer due to pollution or get hit by a car.
 
Rethink strategy now.

In all methods of fairness, I say the PAP did something right- Calming the fuck out of the populace down is the key.

The 5 day MC strategy is working just very well too, those with mild symptoms can go about their business without increasing the international medal tally, those with more severe symptoms can be picked up and directed to NCID after second or third visit to GP.

My only grouse is that restrictions on entry came a bit late, but what do we know? The fatality rate of this COVID was thankfully low and its target victims are the already weakened and/or elderlies.

Looking at it from another perspective, COVID seemed a better solution to the greying population in contrast to soylent green- nature’s way of ring fencing the over populated species.

What do you think?
 
In all methods of fairness, I say the PAP did something right- Calming the fuck out of the populace down is the key.



What do you think?


Absolutely agree and I am with you on this.

But I think there should be more social distancing.

Unis in SG are already cancelling classes of size 50 and above.

Even the PAP crass roots are rescheduling events that have size 50 and above. Which is amazing given how much the branch chair person and other lackeys love to por their PAP MP lum par at such keynote events.

SO why can't extend it to the entire pop?

The SAFRA Jurong 600 attendee event was a mega STUPID and unnecessary thing. 20 people including a poor RI boy got it. Is it worth it? Fuck those arseholes.
 
Political correctness has nothing to do with facts, scientific or other wise.. And it has no bearing on the wuhan virus which is just as deadly as the common flu. Only idiots would fall for such crap and cannot see its hyped up by the media n special interest groups. If that the case, humans are no different to sheep. They are just as stupid if not more. Think of the amount of damage political correctness has done.


Yes humans are stupid and I cannot stand political correctness which goes against logic and truth.

However in the system called democracy you have to pander to the majority of idiots otherwise you cannot win elections. Most humans are not as smart as Americans and can look past political correctness.
 
SO why can't extend it to the entire pop?

Look at HDBs, 80% of our populace are already distancing themselves from everyone else pretty effectively.

The smaller groups of folks who still has a fibre or two of that kampung spirit belonged to us, who hangs out at kopitiam playing chess, drinking beer, etc...

Take a look at schools, military institutes or gahmen buildings, they are tightly controlled groups where they don’t cluster but stay in small groups and/or classes, mass lectures are converted into effective lessons using other methods.

In terms of public transport, the sick are already told to stay at home and wear a mask, if they still want to stick their heads out on the chopping board, the next thing is to chop them.

Looking at businesses in terms of retail and F&B, how many large scale events are we hosting anyway? Teehee... Anyway, I reckoned all larger classes in RCs & CCs will be scaled down pretty soon.

What other kinds of social distancing are we going to look at?
 
Tiong land people drop dead is due to 5G (they're the first state to implement 5G) + Lungs dis-ease (covid 19) = drop dead, flu or viruses don't causes drop deads.
When US tests 5G at certain places the bees and birds drop dead.

This entire hoo-ha or uproar :

1. Is Stocks crash cycle overdue ?
2. Many WW3 scenarios we're not successful need a 'modern' reset and population 'control' ?
3. Is for MANDATORY vaccine.

Just follow the money.

By now one month later we should have know the community spread was already here the US flu started since September and it's death rate is much much higher what's stopping it already spread all over the world unaccounted for maybe it's actually the same thing ?

Hence there's no biggy and no need to sabo our economy or livelihood more. Mostly are mild cases after 5 days MC there's mostly recovered np and there's no death or drop deads. Except the Bangladeshi worker special case but even he is surviving so far, so God bless.

Go out and enjoy your life really there's no cause for alarm at all.
 
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