The Chinese & Indian Myths

[scroobal]

Here is the gist. This community came over from China in the early part of the 20th century led by a French priest as their village was repeatedly raided by warlords. They settled in Mandai forest as no one wanted it. They cleared the area and began farming for many decades. They built a church on a high ground near the Zoo. In the 1980s and 1990s, as the the area was resettled many of them moved to Woodlands.

To look after the flock, they built a brand new church in Woodlands called St Anthony's close to American School.. I came to know of their background when the chap who came to clear waste documents in Raffles Place offices caught my eye as he was very polite and seemed very reponsible. He covered aisle to aisle and he seemed out of the place as his profile did not match a cleaner so to speak.

To cut a long story short, one day I spotted him speaking to the Archbishop Nicholas Chia. I learnt that he was chairman of the church build fund. I then learned that this was the most cohesive community in Singapore. They are spread in 2 locations, Pasir Ris/Tampines and Mandai and now woodlands. They were the ones who was behind Low.

Nicest bunch of folks that you meet.

Scro, mind elaborating this little aside? Too interesting to let it go unnoticed.

 

[scroobal]

Excellent points. I am glad the Indians realise that as well. It sad to see such a large and resource rich country trying to build a decent road. I can see why they all want to get out for the sake of the children.

He said, without them China won't have grown as rapidly as it can be compared to India. He mentioned that in China, to build a road, everything along the path would be bulldozed the next day. In India, you would see protest, riots, kick-backs, nothing would get done, too many red-tapes. The Indians, at least the smart ones, knows that democracy, human-rights is making it worst for them. At the end of the day, idealism, without growth in mentality makes it bad. .

 

[scroobal]

I see where you are coming from and I do agree. Just one correction, the Japanese never reverse engineered anything to my knowledge. They also did it in a different way. From ships to motorcycles, they always did their way. Their pride has always been legendary. There was always the shame of defeat that they had to overcome. Their zero fighters and their warships were truly world class.

Lets hope China does rise up to the occasion.

The Japs, Taiwanese and the HKies have also had their heyday copying and reverse-engineering, in the beginning of their industrial history, often without the understanding and in-depth knowledge that came with research and market tests, before they gradually evolve into creating and innovating along the way. So it also wasnt overnight.

 

[eatshitndie]

It's not a matter of Teochew or Mandai only.

The Teochews and Hakkas were all in Canton (Guangzhou). Outnumbered by Cantonese, they ran. The Canton and Hokkien (Fujian) ports nearby were shipping centres for willing coolies down SEA. So they went.

not all hakka were in guangzhou. many of them were in fujian. and they lived in tulou sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian_Tulou

these sites have been preserved and designated as world heritage sites by unesco.

i wish to do a tour of them soon.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Yes, China hosted a very successful and impressive Olympic Games in 2008 and India's preparations for this year's Commonwealth Games look disastrous. Yes, China is at a stage of development far superior to India and this development is helping her with more foreign investments coming in that will propel it to further heights. They are a bigger country with a bigger population and in my opinion, India will never catch up.

But, we have to put certain issues in perspective. It is easier to get things done in China given the kind of government system that they have. And probably, India could do with some communist regime of its own. If the Chinese need to clear a place to build a stadium with its accompanying infrastructure, they just clear the place. No ifs and buts. If needed the army will be called in to force people to leave. Try that in India. Hundreds of opposition politicians, lawyers and human rights activists will descend down on that village before you start.

Both countries are trying to be more successful, just as we in Singapore are doing. Good luck to them.

You called Scrobal a racist... "shitland aka india", "it's impossible to label anything india has done as a success since it's a major failure" Wonder who's the racist here??

yes china is a bigger country top 3 in terms of area size and pls don't include the USA since they have land not attached to the mainland in alaska and they included the great lakes into the area size, excluding the great lakes but including alaska china is still bigger in land area than the US.




2ndly i know you're using the democracy route and which has already been explained by someone here but here's my take on it.

True on paper india is democractic but in reality it's all hog wash. It's definitely not a democracy like 1st world nations. There's so much corruption there and so much nonsense involved like you mentioned that it's pointless. India has the caste system which is even worse than any communist regime and they still practice it what's the use of a democratic govt?


Lastly screwball is the racist. Okay he might not swear but he always is biased towards china and loves india a lot. It's like he's always over looking its faults which are so obvious and praising india. He is now more on his toes and cannot put on the facade in this thread anymore since i have exposed him.


As for me i tell it for what it is. India is filthy and there's shit everywhere, ppl shit on the streets hence shitland. i call a spade a spade.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

my family is teochew and catholic but nope i don't think any of them ever lived in mandai.