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Switching it up: Why a car nut should care about e-scooters

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Switching it up: Why a car nut should care about e-scooters

BY DONNA MCINTYRE • 14/03/2020

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Hyundai’s Personal Electric Scooter concept. Photos / Supplied


Hyundai’s Personal Electric Scooter concept. Photos / Supplied

If you live in a city, you won’t need to be told about e-scooters. They’re everywhere, either as by-the-minute rentals or in increasing numbers as privately owned urban transport.

You can’t ignore e-scooters. But if you’re a car owner and especially a car enthusiast, should you care about them? The answer is yes, because the kind of clean “last mile” electric mobility offered by these two-wheelers isn’t just for those who have shunned the motoring life. Ultimately, it might be the thing that helps us keep enjoying our cars.

Believe it or not, the “last mile” phrase was coined back in the days of copper-wire telecommunications technology. It referred to the huge cost of the otherwise-small final part of the private communications chain: getting a landline from the network to the customer’s house.

In more recent times we’ve talked about last-mile in relation to goods delivery: the out-of-proportion financial and environmental cost of getting small items of freight from a major distribution point into a customer’s hands.

Now we’ve started applying the same concept to personal transportation. If you’re travelling into an urban centre, it’s that last mile to your ultimate destination that’s the least efficient by far. Public transport rarely takes you right to the door and, if you’re driving, looking for that elusive parking space creates a whole lot of pollution and congestion. And you probably still don’t end up exactly where you want to be.

That’s where e-scooters come in. They’re portable, they’re zero emissions and they can take you from a peripheral location away from potential congestion points directly to your final destination.


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If we’re being honest, some of the technology that’s in higher-end e-scooters will also appeal to automotive enthusiasts. These little machines do have an e-motional component.

The car industry certainly sees e-mobility as an integral part of its future. The swarms of rental e-scooters on city streets are the most visible part of this new transport sector, followed by the brands-to-buy.

But carmakers are also quietly working away on their own e-scooter interpretations. The future looks a lot like your new car having a fully integrated e-scooter mounted in the boot. It’ll charge as you drive and be ready for last-mile transport on any urban journey.

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As far back as 2016, Peugeot collaborated with Micro on the e-Kick, which was launched in conjunction with the 3008 SUV and offered electric assistance in sync with the rider’s own efforts. It fitted into a charging dock in the 3008’s boot.

More recently, Hyundai has given a hint of its e-mobility future with the Personal Electric Scooter concept. It’s extremely compact and foldable, boasts rear-drive for better stability (most e-scooters are front-drive) and is capable of being charged in the boot of a vehicle. It can do up to 20km/h, travel about 20km on a charge and it only weighs 7.7kg.

Premium carmakers are already trying to push the boundaries. Audi has created an “e-tron Scooter” set to go on sale this year, which blends the conventional e-scooter concept with that of an electric skateboard.

140320splescooters04.jpg



Riders steer by shifting their weight; the electric power is controlled by a handlebar twist-grip, leaving one hand free to signal.

The e-tron Scooter does up to 20km/h and has a range of 20km (20-20 seems to be the optimum combination for many of these vehicles). It weighs 12kg and can be folded and wheeled along like a trolley. Naturally, it’s also designed to fit in the boot of your Audi e-tron SUV, plugging into a dedicated socket to charge.
 

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Zero emissions is a lie. Tell me, how u get your electricity if not for fossil fuels? :cautious:
 

Leongsam

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Zero emissions is a lie. Tell me, how u get your electricity if not for fossil fuels? :cautious:
Nuclear, Hydro, geo thermal, wind, natural gas?

90% to 100% of NZ is geothermal of hydro.

When articles refer to scooters and other electric vehicles as "zero emissions" they are referring to the fact that they are not spewing pollutants into the city atmosphere.

Emissions from fossil fuel power plants can be dealt with a lot more thoroughly too via the scrubbing process before the by products are released into the atmosphere. On the other hand conventional cars having nothing but a small catalytic converter to clean the waste gases and from the haze hanging over many cities you can see that they don't do a very good job.
 

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Nuclear, Hydro, geo thermal, wind, natural gas?

90% to 100% of NZ is geothermal of hydro.

When articles refer to scooters and other electric vehicles as "zero emissions" they are referring to the fact that they are not spewing pollutants into the city atmosphere.

Emissions from fossil fuel power plants can be dealt with a lot more thoroughly too via the scrubbing process before the by products are released into the atmosphere. On the other hand conventional cars having nothing but a small catalytic converter to clean the waste gases and from the haze hanging over many cities you can see that they don't do a very good job.
Not true. Article say if you live in a city is already generalizing. What if that city happen to be Singapore? Ours oil fired. How about Beijing? Lagi worse may be a lot is coal. What people should do is walk more! Last mile walk instead of pmd will save the environment and keep fit! :thumbsup:
 

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Not true. Article say if you live in a city is already generalizing. What if that city happen to be Singapore? Ours oil fired. How about Beijing? Lagi worse may be a lot is coal. What people should do is walk more! Last mile walk instead of pmd will save the environment and keep fit! :thumbsup:

Only 5% of Singapore's power generation is coal/oil fired you twit. If you use an e scooter instead of a car you are saving a whopping 95% PLUS of emissions from oil/coal.

I know your country better than you do even though I live 5000km away.
 

mojito

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Only 5% of Singapore's power generation is coal/oil fired you twit. If you use an e scooter instead of a car you are saving a whopping 95% PLUS of emissions from oil/coal.

I know your country better than you do even though I live 5000km away.
A blatent lie. Natural gas not fossil fuel? Did we install a hydro plant at changi jewel? :o-o:
 

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Not true. Article say if you live in a city is already generalizing. What if that city happen to be Singapore? Ours oil fired. How about Beijing? Lagi worse may be a lot is coal. What people should do is walk more! Last mile walk instead of pmd will save the environment and keep fit! :thumbsup:
Our country is 30km by 20km,everywhere is last mile transport,u don't really need cars or trains.....

90 percent of the journeys we make are within a 10km radius which can be easily solved with a pmd or scooter.....
 

laksaboy

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You'll have to wait till solid state batteries have fully replaced lithium ion batteries for electric vehicles and scooters to really gain popularity.

Probably another 3-5 years.
 

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What's a solid state battery?
oversimplification time :

all commercial batteries that we are familiar with utilize liquid or semi-liquid electrolytes. easiest case to see is car battery can see battery water/acid. a solid state battery doesn't have a liquid electrolyte. It does away with the liquid part and uses a solid electrolyte instead.
 

nightsafari

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Not true. Article say if you live in a city is already generalizing. What if that city happen to be Singapore? Ours oil fired. How about Beijing? Lagi worse may be a lot is coal. What people should do is walk more! Last mile walk instead of pmd will save the environment and keep fit! :thumbsup:
China does use a ton of coal for electricity. over half of it's needs and is the single dominant source in China. In NZ and similar eco-conscious first world countries, sources of electrical power tend to be hydro or geothermal. If not, their populace will probably vote the gahmen out. Sinkieland is apparently 95% nat gas and used to be petroleum generated. Sinkieland will never ever resort to coal because they lack sources, facilities and is not involved in the coal supply chain at all.
 

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Switching it up: Why a car nut should care about e-scooters

BY DONNA MCINTYRE • 14/03/2020

SEARCH DRIVEN FOR VEHICLES FOR SALE

Hyundai’s Personal Electric Scooter concept. Photos / Supplied


Hyundai’s Personal Electric Scooter concept. Photos / Supplied

If you live in a city, you won’t need to be told about e-scooters. They’re everywhere, either as by-the-minute rentals or in increasing numbers as privately owned urban transport.

You can’t ignore e-scooters. But if you’re a car owner and especially a car enthusiast, should you care about them? The answer is yes, because the kind of clean “last mile” electric mobility offered by these two-wheelers isn’t just for those who have shunned the motoring life. Ultimately, it might be the thing that helps us keep enjoying our cars.

Believe it or not, the “last mile” phrase was coined back in the days of copper-wire telecommunications technology. It referred to the huge cost of the otherwise-small final part of the private communications chain: getting a landline from the network to the customer’s house.

In more recent times we’ve talked about last-mile in relation to goods delivery: the out-of-proportion financial and environmental cost of getting small items of freight from a major distribution point into a customer’s hands.

Now we’ve started applying the same concept to personal transportation. If you’re travelling into an urban centre, it’s that last mile to your ultimate destination that’s the least efficient by far. Public transport rarely takes you right to the door and, if you’re driving, looking for that elusive parking space creates a whole lot of pollution and congestion. And you probably still don’t end up exactly where you want to be.

That’s where e-scooters come in. They’re portable, they’re zero emissions and they can take you from a peripheral location away from potential congestion points directly to your final destination.


140320splescooters05.jpg



If we’re being honest, some of the technology that’s in higher-end e-scooters will also appeal to automotive enthusiasts. These little machines do have an e-motional component.

The car industry certainly sees e-mobility as an integral part of its future. The swarms of rental e-scooters on city streets are the most visible part of this new transport sector, followed by the brands-to-buy.

But carmakers are also quietly working away on their own e-scooter interpretations. The future looks a lot like your new car having a fully integrated e-scooter mounted in the boot. It’ll charge as you drive and be ready for last-mile transport on any urban journey.

140320splescooters03.jpg



As far back as 2016, Peugeot collaborated with Micro on the e-Kick, which was launched in conjunction with the 3008 SUV and offered electric assistance in sync with the rider’s own efforts. It fitted into a charging dock in the 3008’s boot.

More recently, Hyundai has given a hint of its e-mobility future with the Personal Electric Scooter concept. It’s extremely compact and foldable, boasts rear-drive for better stability (most e-scooters are front-drive) and is capable of being charged in the boot of a vehicle. It can do up to 20km/h, travel about 20km on a charge and it only weighs 7.7kg.

Premium carmakers are already trying to push the boundaries. Audi has created an “e-tron Scooter” set to go on sale this year, which blends the conventional e-scooter concept with that of an electric skateboard.

140320splescooters04.jpg



Riders steer by shifting their weight; the electric power is controlled by a handlebar twist-grip, leaving one hand free to signal.

The e-tron Scooter does up to 20km/h and has a range of 20km (20-20 seems to be the optimum combination for many of these vehicles). It weighs 12kg and can be folded and wheeled along like a trolley. Naturally, it’s also designed to fit in the boot of your Audi e-tron SUV, plugging into a dedicated socket to charge.
Looks like a puff piece put on by PMD vested interests. I'm with you on PMD's being less of a negative impact on the planet than cars and buses, but emotionally involving? somehow I don't think so... :o-o:
 

frenchbriefs

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oversimplification time :

all commercial batteries that we are familiar with utilize liquid or semi-liquid electrolytes. easiest case to see is car battery can see battery water/acid. a solid state battery doesn't have a liquid electrolyte. It does away with the liquid part and uses a solid electrolyte instead.

U mean like those AGM batteries......but those are big and bulky as hell though,more suitable for vans and houses......nothing comes close to capacity and weight of lithium ion......that's why they have electric planes now with 1,2 hours flight time......not possible without lithium ion.
 

nightsafari

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U mean like those AGM batteries......but those are big and bulky as hell though,more suitable for vans and houses......nothing comes close to capacity and weight of lithium ion......that's why they have electric planes now with 1,2 hours flight time......not possible without lithium ion.
AGM are liquid electrolytes. Except that the liquid is encapsulated. These solid state batteries do away with the gel/liquid altogether...

Solid state has the promise to outdo li-ion for energy density. But that's still to be seen.
 
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