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ST Kinetics sucks! BAE to sell vehicle to SG Army

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http://www.janes.com/article/58250/bae-systems-pitching-terrier-to-asia-pacific-customers

"We see opportunities in Singapore and across the region as well," said Breen.

Well for once I agree with you. ST Kinetics is shit useless. They don't understand that when you cannot even supply vehicles to your own army, why would potential foreign customers like the US MArines buy your shit? This is yet another fuckup from the Bionix team. Their failure to develop a light tank derivative of the Bionix to replace the AMX-13 was bad enough. Importing 70 ton Leo 2s from Germany, for an Asian road network system is going to be interesting to see if conflict breaks out.

Now, they can't even build a CEV from the Bionix chassis? Are you kidding me? This Terrier CEV has almost the same weight and dimensions as a Bionix 2. Surely, they are planning to replace the M728 CEV and the FV180 CET. That's maybe 50 vehicles that they can build themselves. As well, the SAF has a dedicated anti mine role in the Trailblazer, which is one of the roles that this Terrier performs. More sinkie taxpayer money pissed down the toilet to support jobs and businesses for angmo Brits. Fucking PAP.
 

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Well for once I agree with you. ST Kinetics is shit useless. They don't understand that when you cannot even supply vehicles to your own army, why would potential foreign customers like the US MArines buy your shit? This is yet another fuckup from the Bionix team. .

Team leader Fong Siak Hay has been promoted many times from VP to Sr VP and now President of secret projects making drones which nobody will buy outside sg; Dr Richard Kwok Wai Onn who got his distant learning Ph D on program mgmt of a fighting vehicle was promoted from mgr to VP, Sr VP & EVP & CTO but did not come up with any sellable product when he was in charge of Design & Development in STK....... much less as CTO of ST...The goon who was mgr in charge of program mgmt of Bionix has been promoted to VP and now Sr VP of Design Develpment in sTK........ a person with little or no engineering background........... Gone too are the multi millions splurged on the marketting of Bionix in USA!!
To escape attention Richard Kwok ganged up with FU Deisenroth to acquire second hand Leopard making a killing on commission and sparing Richard Kwok the gross embarassment of inability to extend the Bionix platform to MBT...........Sad that we waste money like that!!
We are fucking good in outsourching almost everything....... high time we outsource sT Engrg products for 20 percent of the cost to China along with out total defence............ big cost savings!! Plus no need to pay thru our noses the expired generals and colonels!!!!!!!!!!

BTW anyone know if Bionix was sold outside sg??? Free sample does not count...........
 
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Leckmichamarsch

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Team leader Fong Siak Hay has been promoted many times from VP to Sr VP and now President of secret projects making drones which nobody will buy outside sg; Dr Richard Kwok Wai Onn who got his distant learning Ph D on program mgmt of a fighting vehicle was promoted from mgr to VP, Sr VP & EVP & CTO but did not come up with any sellable product when he was in charge of Design & Development in STK....... much less as CTO of ST...The goon Teo Beng Koon who was mgr in charge of program mgmt of Bionix has been promoted to VP {progr mgmt} and now Sr VP of Design Develpment in sTK........ a person with little or no engineering nor design background........... Gone too are the multi millions splurged on the marketting of Bionix in USA!!
To escape attention Richard Kwok ganged up with FU Deisenroth to acquire second hand Leopard making a killing on commission and sparing Richard Kwok the gross embarassment of inability to extend the Bionix platform to MBT...........Sad that we waste money like that!! Deisenroth has already disappeared after being charged with serious tax evasion by German Federal Govt.... R Kwok was rumoured to have taken the firt plane out to Bonn IBD looking for his buddy Deisenroth upon hearing the news...........
We are fucking good in outsourching almost everything....... high time we outsource sT Engrg products for 20 percent of the cost to China along with out total defence............ big cost savings!! Plus no need to pay thru our noses the expired generals and colonels!!!!!!!!!!
 

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http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/terrier-is-the-uks-crazy-leatherman-multi-tool-of-a-com-1759049206

'Terrier' Is The UK's Crazy Leatherman Multi-Tool Of A Combat-Engineering Tank

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'Terrier' Is The UK's Crazy Leatherman Multi-Tool Of A Combat-Engineering Tank
British Army and Royal Marine engineers had relied on FV180 Combat Engineering Tractor for four decades prior to 2013, but that began to change just a few years ago. BAe Systems’ ridiculously versatile, and rapidly transportable combat engineering vehicle named the Terrier has taken over the role, and it’s not just a combat-engineering vehicle—it’s also a transformer.

The 32-ton Terrier can dig ditches, drill holes, excavate defensive positions, clear obstacles such as boulders, structures, bridges, cars and logs, and haul all types of building materials. It has a long menu of attachments to make all this happen, including trailers, pincers, rock hammers, hoists, shovels, augers and buckets. It even has a ripper tool that makes roadways and runways unusable by the enemy. A medium machine gun can also be installed for self defense.


For mine clearing, which is possibly Terrier’s most important job, it can use its wicked looking extended-length plow that can destroy mines and buried improvised explosive devices while traveling at around tens miles per hour. Alternatively, Terrier also packs the UK’s version of a rocket-assisted mine clearing line-charge called Python.


The Shredder Eats Mines Raw For Lunch & Cooks Them For Dinner
Usually tanks are supposed to avoid mines and buried bombs, but somebody, and something, has to…

Just recently, Terrier received an upgrade via yet another attachment, a telescoping arm that can reach out 26 feet to investigate potentially deadly improvised explosive devices both buried and on the surface. Such a capability is obviously hugely valuable as roadside improvised explosive devices can not only kill, but dealing with them using robots and other tedious tactics can slow a convoy or an operation to a halt—putting everyone and everything in elevated danger.

Terrier is well armored and resistant to mines and RPG. It can work openly in areas that are under indirect fire from mortars and artillery. It is powered by a Caterpillar C18 turbocharged diesel engine that cranks out 700 horsepower, allowing it keep up with Challenger main battle tanks on and off-road.

Terrier can also wade through deep water, including handling wave surges up to six and a half feet. It’s 32-ton weight and modular format allows it and its attachments to be rapidly transported via A400M or C-17A aerial transport even to austere airstrips.


It has an internal crew of two but it can also be operated remotely via an Xbox-style controller and hardened laptop when undergoing especially dangerous tasks. On the inside, Terrier is as smart as they come, featuring “drive by wire” joystick control system as well as 360-degree camera system that has full night vision and thermal-imaging capability. The vehicle’s environmental system allows its occupants to work in nuclear, chemical and biological warfare environments.

Not only is pretty much everything about the Terrier high-tech, but so is the way soldiers are trained to operate it. BAe Systems built an elaborate full motion simulator that allows crews to learn how to operate Terrier, even executing complex tasks in tough environments, before ever touching the actual vehicle.

In all, the UK Ministry of Defense has ordered 60 Terriers under a $522 million contract and the idea is to eventually export the versatile design to friendly countries. The issue is that the vehicle’s extreme capabilities come at a high price, with each unit costing around $8 million. Yet the Terrier is a force multiplier of sorts for both large mechanized units and smaller light infantry units alike, as it provides ease of access access, enhanced fortification and generally improved forward operability. It can also deny the enemy access and the ability to survive under certain scenarios.


Even a substantial army does not need a huge fleet of these vehicles, so if a country has already blown billions on advanced tanks and armored fighting vehicles, spending a couple hundred million more to provide a ton of enabling capability that Terrier provides makes some sense.

Still, with land systems taking a back seat to air and naval systems these days, it may be hard for BAe to find buyers that will prioritize buying something so costly that doesn’t collect intelligence or shoot anything. There has been some interest from France and a few other countries, but no orders have been placed.

It is a bit surprising that the U.S., which can afford to equip its forces for a large scale of wartime scenarios, has not shown any interest. For austere forward deployed missions, a do-all engineering vehicle like this that provides a minimal logistical footprint seems like an attractive capability. Even Special Forces Command could probably make a case why the Terrier could have a place within the U.S. ground combat vehicle inventory.

Regardless of if Terrier will find export success or not, it is very cool that BAe built what is undoubtedly most kid’s ultimate imaginary Tonka Truck. In fact, I bet this crazy thing was designed in crayon many times over long before the engineers at BAe Systems ever began drawing it out.
 

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Team leader Fong Siak Hay has been promoted many times from VP to Sr VP and now President of secret projects making drones which nobody will buy outside sg; Dr Richard Kwok Wai Onn who got his distant learning Ph D on program mgmt of a fighting vehicle was promoted from mgr to VP, Sr VP & EVP & CTO but did not come up with any sellable product when he was in charge of Design & Development in STK....... much less as CTO of ST...The goon Teo Beng Koon who was mgr in charge of program mgmt of Bionix has been promoted to VP {progr mgmt} and now Sr VP of Design Develpment in sTK........ a person with little or no engineering nor design background........... Gone too are the multi millions splurged on the marketting of Bionix in USA!!
To escape attention Richard Kwok ganged up with FU Deisenroth to acquire second hand Leopard making a killing on commission and sparing Richard Kwok the gross embarassment of inability to extend the Bionix platform to MBT...........Sad that we waste money like that!! Deisenroth has already disappeared after being charged with serious tax evasion by German Federal Govt.... R Kwok was rumoured to have taken the firt plane out to Bonn IBD looking for his buddy Deisenroth upon hearing the news...........
We are fucking good in outsourching almost everything....... high time we outsource sT Engrg products for 20 percent of the cost to China along with out total defence............ big cost savings!! Plus no need to pay thru our noses the expired generals and colonels!!!!!!!!!!

Only singapore army is the customer of Bionix.
This already tell u all you need to know about the quality of this vehicle. They better hope that the Terrex wins the USMC competition. The only products the world thinks is good enough coming out from simgapore is the 40mm AGL, the Primus/155mm SPH gun, and maybe the Ultimax. ST, DSTA, and other such orgs are just fakes designed to park SAF ex generals and colonels and to keep them being fed at the public trough. Many of the weapons SAF is forced to buy were never requested by them. But forced on them by ST. I mean the SAF did not wake up one day and say "we need a bullpup rifle". Nothing wrong to continue to license produce the M16. why spend all the money developing the SAR-21 and no one else buys it? If you license build a M4/M16 with a telescopic sight, its the same performance as a SAR-21. They will never recoup the R & D spend on the SAR-21, if they don't sell it overseas. Its a complete waste of money on an unproven weapon.

Same for the Leo 2. The tank is so large and heavy, its totally unsuited for this region of the world. Its only good for NDP. Many of its strengths such as firing on the move, gun accuracy out to 4000m, etc. are all negated by this terrain. After the KP tank, the SAF's experience was that this sucker was not feasible in SIngapore. Now 30 years later, they went and bought an even bigger tank then the KP. and that was only after ST gave up on the light tank version of the Bionix. But why the Leo 2? Why not other already available modern light tanks like the Swedish CV90120, maybe even the Cadillac Stingray. The fact is that the Leo 2 was sold to Singapore by Germany at a very favourable price. Somewhere along the way, I am going to guess that Diesenroth influenced this decision. because the purchase was made at the very start with a goal to upgrade the Leo 2 to A6 or higher standard using his AMAPS products. Rheinmetall already had an assembly line in Germany to upgrade the German army's Leo to the new standard, as well as the Leo 2s of other customers. But for some reason, the SAF did not see fit to give them the contract to do it for their order. Instead they were all shipped to Singapore and done at ST. I cannot believe that this is cheaper or more cost effective then what Rheinmetall can charge, what with all their economies of scale. I mean ST only modded one battalion of Leos for the SAF, whereas Rheinmentall was doing hundreds of them. That is where you see the $14 billion defence budget go to all this shit.
 

steffychun

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Well for once I agree with you. ST Kinetics is shit useless. They don't understand that when you cannot even supply vehicles to your own army, why would potential foreign customers like the US MArines buy your shit? This is yet another fuckup from the Bionix team. Their failure to develop a light tank derivative of the Bionix to replace the AMX-13 was bad enough. Importing 70 ton Leo 2s from Germany, for an Asian road network system is going to be interesting to see if conflict breaks out.

Now, they can't even build a CEV from the Bionix chassis? Are you kidding me? This Terrier CEV has almost the same weight and dimensions as a Bionix 2. Surely, they are planning to replace the M728 CEV and the FV180 CET. That's maybe 50 vehicles that they can build themselves. As well, the SAF has a dedicated anti mine role in the Trailblazer, which is one of the roles that this Terrier performs. More sinkie taxpayer money pissed down the toilet to support jobs and businesses for angmo Brits. Fucking PAP.

This Terrier is far more advanced than the Engineering toys during NDP.
 

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ugly foggy machines... money is better spent on toyota pickup.

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cheaperer betterer and fasterer
 
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