Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard truth

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Yes. Absolutely correct. So who built the foundation of Singapore? And who are the ones doing the building now?
Your conclusion has been drawn. We should thank the Brits and PAP for they built Singapore and all Singaporeans must forever be thankful to their self-sacrificial hardwork toiling under the skies.

Almost absolutely correct on your part. Almost absolutely except for the part about self-sacrificial. There wasn't such thing on all parties involved. All have their self-interest at heart. So, I claim neither the British nor Chinese to be self-sacrificial. It was just a difference of roles and circumstances that resulted in the accidental nation. Nobody can claim any credit along the way. Sir Stamford Raffles founded Singapore, that's fact. When he came here, there were about 200 Malay fishermen here, zero Chinese, zero Indians, that's fact. Singapore was then just claimed as an offshore island of Johor. He didn't do it for any self-sacrificial reason too. He did it to advance his career and the interest of the empire he served. But he could claim credit for his visionary strategic foresight in choosing Singapore and mass importing Chinese and Indians. The ease of British visa for Chinese and Indian immigrants then wasn't only for manpower to build a port city. It was to counter the native and nearby Malay population too in case there was a change of heart and they wanted Singapore back by uprising. Singapore was turned into a non-Malay city practically overnight.

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Almost absolutely correct on your part. Almost absolutely except for the part about self-sacrificial. There wasn't such thing on all parties involved. All have their self-interest at heart. So, I claim neither the British nor Chinese to be self-sacrificial. It was just a difference of roles and circumstances that resulted in the accidental nation. Nobody can claim any credit along the way. Sir Stamford Raffles founded Singapore, that's fact. When he came here, there were about 200 Malay fishermen here, zero Chinese, zero Indians, that's fact. Singapore was then just claimed as an offshore island of Johor. He didn't do it for any self-sacrificial reason too. He did it to advance his career and the interest of the empire he served. But he could claim credit for his visionary strategic foresight in choosing Singapore and mass importing Chinese and Indians. The ease of British visa for Chinese and Indian immigrants then wasn't only for manpower to build a port city. It was to counter the native and nearby Malay population too in case there was a change of heart and they wanted Singapore back by uprising. Singapore was turned into a non-Malay city practically overnight.

similarly, the Chinese could claim credit for building up Singapore even though their loyalty weren't to this island initially. likewise nobody would discredit Lim Bo Seng for not being a Singapore WW2 hero just because he was loyal to China and participated in anti-Japanese activities in Malaya and Singapore because of the Sino-Japanese war.

like it or not. facts remain. Raffles founded Singapore. Chinese built up Singapore. LKY is the father of independent Singapore.

 

[red amoeba]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The British stayed and fought the Japanese. There was neither shame nor fault in staying and fought but lost the battle. They were fighting a world war on many fronts. They did won the war eventually. Most Singaporeans didn't want indepedence after the war. It was the communists who wanted independence fueled by the PRC victory in China. To be fair, David Marshall also wanted independence and the British actually also wanted to leave. The British and their American allies only want one thing assured - there'd be no possibility of communist takeover of Singapore. Marshall couldn't convince them of that.

LKY was more politically shrewd and came up with the idea of merger with Malaysia which the British found acceptable. He wanted political power but lacked the military power as the armed forces was of course Malaysian. He begged and dragged the British armed forces to stay. It was some ten years after merger/independence that all British troops were withdrawn from Singapore permanently after SAF was established and running smoothly.

The myth about Chinese toiling and sweating to build Singapore has been debunked earlier. They came here to earn wages. They stayed here because ROC lost China. If you keep that repeating myth, the myth of the next generation would the Bangladeshis toiled and sweat to build Singapore.

Singapore being independent is a matter of time....and be glad that we are independent rather than a subjugate of Mudland.

I am not discussing here regarding the PAP government but the point that we are independent.

For sure, there are groups of Chinese who came here being conned (卖猪仔）

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

similarly, the Chinese could claim credit for building up Singapore even though their loyalty weren't to this island initially. likewise nobody would discredit Lim Bo Seng for not being a Singapore WW2 hero just because he was loyal to China and participated in anti-Japanese activities in Malaya and Singapore because of the Sino-Japanese war.

like it or not. facts remain. Raffles founded Singapore. Chinese built up Singapore. LKY is the father of independent Singapore.

Lim Bo Seng was fighting for ROC interests outside China. His military rank (I think Lieutenant General) was conferred by ROC. But credit where credit is due, he dared to fight and die for a cause he believed. I respect him for that. I agree with most of what you've said except the last line. You mean it as a joke, right?

 

[red amoeba]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Lim Bo Seng was fighting for ROC interests outside China. His military rank (I think Lieutenant General) was conferred by ROC. But credit where credit is due, he dared to fight and die for a cause he believed. I respect him for that. I agree with most of what you've said except the last line. You mean it as a joke, right?

at that time...who isn't fighting for ROC? Singapore is not a country...there aren't Singaporeans...all are British subjects...but the Chinese laborers are not feeling they are British subjects, or in a way, they don't feel tied to this place...maybe because they are first gen "Singaporeans" per say, and have not sunk roots here.

they don't treat Singapore as their home...many thinking of returning to China to die / retire.

Malays felt home here...so are the Indians who are treated fairly better than the Chinese.

As well, propaganda by ROC Chinese play a part.

 

[Cruxx]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

There has never been a single occurrence of self-sacrifice in the course of human history.

 

[psy83]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Singapore was built up by the presences of MNC esp in Manufacturing. The country is where it is, Is because of our trading/shipping/manufacturing/foreign investment. There is defiantly more Chinese run businesses(smc) here cos the Chinese are in the majority and being the majority means there will be more influences by this group of people in every project, which is nothing wrong with. Take note that local big guns etc. Keppel, SIA etc are all government link. The roads etc. was all built by Tax money. Take note of Singapore GDP during the British colonization period. The Foundation was laid by the Foreigners and it it where it is now is because of Foreign investment, our port and trade. Not by one segment of society. Majority of Locals make big money working in MNC and MNC/foreign investment/government tax are the ones who built Singapore to where it is now. End of the day if there is no Far east Organization or Ng family, There will be someone else who will take that spot easily.

Without our Port/location I will be in India, You will be in China and the malays will continue being fisherman.

 

[Cruxx]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

You spastic maggots :oIo: It was his eminence, clinton666, who founded Singapore and elevated it from a fishing village to a first world, modern metropolis!

 

[Cruxx]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Singapore was built up by the presences of MNC esp in Manufacturing. The country is where it is, Is because of our trading/shipping/manufacturing/foreign investment. There is defiantly more Chinese run businesses(smc) here cos the Chinese are in the majority and being the majority means there will be more influences by this group of people in every project, which is nothing wrong with. Take note that local big guns etc. Keppel, SIA etc are all government link. The roads etc. was all built by Tax money. Take note of Singapore GDP during the British colonization period. The Foundation was laid by the Foreigners and it it where it is now is because of Foreign investment, our port and trade. Not by one segment of society. Majority of Locals make big money working in MNC.

The same could be said of China. It's all about economic prostitution: "Welcome Sir. We'll tear down people's homes for you. We'll seize their land. We'll work them to death for you. No collective bargaining on their part. No protests. No worries. Don't wanna pay tax? Fine by us. Do you want us to bend down too? We Asians are made of sterner stuff. We can take a good shafting with a smile. Now, can I have some of those crumbs on the table?"

 

[psy83]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The same could be said of China. It's all about economic prostitution: "Welcome Sir. We'll tear down people's homes for you. We'll seize their land. We'll work them to death for you. No collective bargaining on their part. No protests. No worries. Don't wanna pay tax? Fine by us. Do you want us to bend down too? We Asians are made of sterner stuff. We can take a good shafting with a smile. Now, can I have some of those crumbs on the table?"

Yes basically, End of the day we like boasting about Singapore this, Singapore that.. But end of the day majority of the population is earning less then 2.5k a month, in-debt for 30 to 40yrs just for a home, have problems paying their medical cost, Even buying a car means being in debt for at least 6 to 7yrs. If you say Singapore Chinese build up this country to where it is now, Then why are majority of Chinese in Debt? Truth is this country was build and being Prostituted by Foreigners/MNC/Port/Trade/Manufacturing, Not because of one segment of society, They are the rich one. Not us, Not the chinese, malay or Indians. The problem in Singapore is this.. They drive a car..They think a person who rides a bike or takes the bus doesnt have money, A person who thinks by eating at a Restaurant means he is well off. B.s (Singapore is a very Materialistic society and Show off, They want Face, they want to feel atas, Truth is majority have very little savings) (Example..There are 7 Chinese, 2 Malay and 1 Indian, Which segment of society will drive more cars, have bigger homes and shops?) . Just last year the government came out with a Statistic of the Combine income of households to see which race earns the most, You will be surprised that the Indians top it, followed by the Chinese then Malays. But of cos with Indians taking the top spot there was some help with the new Citizens from India. So basically this country is build-ed by Foreigners/Foreign corporations/port/trade, We brought in all this people for them to give us Tax so we can build nice roads, nice buildings, Nice schools. But of cos with a majority of Chinese population there will be more Chinese influence in every project/business, Which is all good. But to say this country was build by the Chinese is just being plain naive or boastful without being able to back it up, Even our Army was build by the Israelis.

Lky is also not responsible for where Singapore is today in-terms of Economics. Lky job was to clean the streets and put people in line. Law and Order, That was his job... The next thing was to follow the Instructions of the U.N on how to Industrialise Singapore with the help of Dutch uncle, Big MNC came here and brought with them thousands and thousands of Jobs and allowed Singaporeans to earn a good stable income and live a better life by allowing them to buy homes and basic merchandise.

P.s But end of the day, Singaporeans are the Backbone of this Society and no one can say otherwise. Singapore will be the same as China if the Chinese had 100% influence in this country, Or it will be the same as India if the Indians had 100% Influence.. That is why Singapore is Unique, cos all races gave something to this society to make it to what it is today. That is why our way of life, the things we like, the way we think, what makes us sad or laugh is totally different then a China Chinese, India Indians or Malaysia Mat, Our Character and the Way we talk reflects that We are in-fact a New race. The Singaporean Race.

Majulah Singapura!

 

[lianbeng]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

lianbeng found sang nila utama:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sang_Nila_Utama

 

[Cruxx]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Singapore workers work longest hours, according to this chart from the International Labour Organization’s Global Wage Report Update 2009. Only workers in Iceland put in almost as many hours in 2008 and the first quarter of 2009.

Real wages also fell at the same time. Though nominal wages rose 4.2 per cent in 2008 according to the Ministry of Manpower, real wages dropped 1 per cent, according to the ILO report.

http://www.eventtrainingsingapore.com/eventtrainingsingapore/news/?p=3544

 

[Cruxx]

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Work like dogs, poor like mouse. Sinkies are only rich in assets financed by debt. When it comes to liquidity, Sinkies are "damn solid"

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Almost absolutely correct on your part. Almost absolutely except for the part about self-sacrificial. There wasn't such thing on all parties involved. All have their self-interest at heart. So, I claim neither the British nor Chinese to be self-sacrificial. It was just a difference of roles and circumstances that resulted in the accidental nation. Nobody can claim any credit along the way. Sir Stamford Raffles founded Singapore, that's fact. When he came here, there were about 200 Malay fishermen here, zero Chinese, zero Indians, that's fact. Singapore was then just claimed as an offshore island of Johor. He didn't do it for any self-sacrificial reason too. He did it to advance his career and the interest of the empire he served. But he could claim credit for his visionary strategic foresight in choosing Singapore and mass importing Chinese and Indians. The ease of British visa for Chinese and Indian immigrants then wasn't only for manpower to build a port city. It was to counter the native and nearby Malay population too in case there was a change of heart and they wanted Singapore back by uprising. Singapore was turned into a non-Malay city practically overnight.

The only credit he should be accorded will be by the Empire he served, For the Chinese, Indians and other races owe him zits. They swam, they land, they saw, they toiled and build the Singapore today.

 

[sense]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

King, R., 2006. Singapore Miracle, Myth and Reality, Insight Press
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Interesting lead, with thanks.