Singapore's citizens are the only citizens in Asia without minimum wage

[Leongsam]

I deserved to be as handsomely paid as them for the same jobs they did. Now, get me thick steel pole, I need to break some ass.

Your problem is that you don't have a clue how to monetise your efforts.

 

[Leongsam]

Whoever that says pay raise depends on productivity is an idiot. Whether you get a good raise depends on the following factors:

The real idiots are the ones that depend on a salary to earn a living.

If you want to earn your real worth, you need to sell your skills and services directly to your intended market.

 

[rectmobile]

The real idiots are the ones that depend on a salary to earn a living.

Sam.. I totally agree with you on this.

I am against working for a salary. At least not in the late 30s or early 40s onwards. Earning a salary to run your life is too pathetic to describe it.

Everyone should aim for self sufficiency. This is the only way to protect and secure your life.

 

[LeMans2011]

The real idiots are the ones that depend on a salary to earn a living.
If you want to earn your real worth, you need to sell your skills and services directly to your intended market.

To do that you need REAL talent, probably one in a thousand would have that entrepreneural streak in them. The easier way to earn a living is by fooling your peers and headoffice how good you are. There are quite a number of jobs out there with half a million a year pay... not as much as your earnings but good enough in Sinkieland.

 

[rectmobile]

To do that you need REAL talent, probably one in a thousand would have that entrepreneural streak in them. The easier way to earn a living is by fooling your peers and headoffice how good you are. There are quite a number of jobs out there with half a million a year pay... not as much as your earnings but good enough in Sinkieland.

To earn a living you need to fool others. Fool, lie, and cheat to earn a living. i wonder will that even last for long term.

 

[Cestbon]

Tonychat you chump. What's point of having a minimum wage for the sake of having one? Let the economic factors decide.

Thailand's minimum wage is THB 300 (S$13) per day. So they are better off than us? Malaysia minimum wage is $327 per month.

Doest mean that Singapore min wage set at US$400/month.
Singapore is the only 1st world country dont have min wage.
Maybe should start with $1000/month and increase gradually in 5 year set at $1200/month.
Many lower group Singaporean wage are below $800? Are u happy?
With min wage at least employer will not try to push the wage too low.
What I propose is start with $1k/month and all levy min $500 regardless (WP/S-Pass/EP).

 

[LeMans2011]

To earn a living you need to fool others. Fool, lie, and cheat to earn a living. i wonder will that even last for long term.

OK maybe half a million dollars kind of job is not that many and you need really good BS skills + have good connections... let me set the threshold to the more realistic 100k to 200k per annum kind of job. I have seen enough in the last decade how many people thrive well with deceit, at least up to managerial level. Initially i was bitter but i soon learnt that is reality, just join them

 

[rectmobile]

Doest mean that Singapore min wage set at US$400/month.
Singapore is the only 1st world country dont have min wage.
Maybe should start with $1000/month and increase gradually in 5 year set at $1200/month.
Many lower group Singaporean wage are below $800? Are u happy?
With min wage at least employer will not try to push the wage too low.
What I propose is start with $1k/month and all levy min $500 regardless (WP/S-Pass/EP).

Minimum wage is a way to safeguard at least the minimum decent living standard for a family and individual.

From what i see it, the govt is not drawing up policies seriously. A system of policies need to revolved around the minimum wage implementation.

 

[rectmobile]

OK maybe half a million dollars kind of job is not that many and you need really good BS skills + have good connections... let me set the threshold to the more realistic 100k to 200k per annum kind of job. I have seen enough in the last decade how many people thrive well with deceit, at least up to managerial level. Initially i was bitter but i soon learnt that is reality, just join them

bro, yes i knew there are people who bullshit their way to secure a job that pays well. However, i wonder if that is the end of the story.

Bullshitting isn't real skills and talents. service rendered and job production will be of lower quality and these people do not understand the intrinsic wisdom of the job they are doing.

As the time goes by, people can tell from the result they produce.

You can say that they can bullshit at the start, just to get them into the job and while in the job learn the skill that is needed for the job.

Still, i do not look up at these people and they are a liability to the company and organisation.

All they care is just to get the salary and do not care much about service to the people. The do 'care' just to keep their job.

I can tell whether the person loves what they do or they do it because they need to pay the bills.

 

[rectmobile]

OK maybe half a million dollars kind of job is not that many and you need really good BS skills + have good connections... let me set the threshold to the more realistic 100k to 200k per annum kind of job. I have seen enough in the last decade how many people thrive well with deceit, at least up to managerial level. Initially i was bitter but i soon learnt that is reality, just join them

come to think of it, i think it is the structure of the company that allow bullshit to thrive.

If the company is run like Google, I don't think bullshit can thrive in that.

 

[Char_Azn]

OK maybe half a million dollars kind of job is not that many and you need really good BS skills + have good connections... let me set the threshold to the more realistic 100k to 200k per annum kind of job. I have seen enough in the last decade how many people thrive well with deceit, at least up to managerial level. Initially i was bitter but i soon learnt that is reality, just join them

For the ultimate master of bullshit, you need to learn from Steve Jobs.

 

[myfoot123]

Your problem is that you don't have a clue how to monetise your efforts.

Nah, I still prefer to fuck MIW personally all years round, more rewarding than monetary reward.

 

[Char_Azn]

With minimum wage is still grossly underpaid. Lim Chong Yah has said our countries have moved at the speed faster than many countries but our salaries remained stagnant and backward on par with 3rd world salaries.

I posted this in another thread so I'll just paste it here. Taiwan is a good example of what will happen if we implement a minimum wage. At the end of the day, ask yourself. are you willing to push prices up 25-30% just to see a minimum wage? Unless you are at the bottom 5%, minimum wage is going to do diddly squat for you other then increase your cost of living. The current system of government supplementing wages(via workfare) at the very least see income go up at the same time prices stay down

SG and the rich 1st world country in general live a good life because of slave labor, either within their borders or in someone else country, there is no escaping this. If you look at prices of goods vs wage earn for example, SG have it a lot better then most countries around us.

For example. prices of most luxury goods in SG is about 10-15% more expensive then Taiwan(I'm using Taiwan as example coz I just came back from there so I am familiar with the cost and wages there), yet the average SG wages for similar positions are more 50-100% higher then Taiwan, in fact the average local fresh grad with a starting pay of 2.5K earns almost twice as much as a fresh grad from Taiwan. However the goods in Taiwan is not 1/2 the price in SG. Example a cheap meal at a countryside stall will set you back about SGD$2.5(TWD$50-70) and that's the cheap rural areas, yet in SG it's still easy to find food at $3-3.5 even in the middle of the CBD area.

The strange thing however is the lower wage level U go, the wages in Taiwan starts to level with the wages in SG. The minimum wage in Taiwan is about SGD$700-800, in SG the lowest level worker also earns about that much. No secret as to why the cost of goods in SG is not that much different from Taiwan yet we are earning almost twice their wages. Want to make a good guess how the prices will go if we force implement a minimum wage at set it to 50% higher then today???

 

[Char_Azn]

Very very proud of Thailand!!!!

Mr Proud of Thailand, read this
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/287492/businesses-accused-of-dodging-wage-hike

 

[jubilee1919]

SG and the rich 1st world country in general live a good life because of slave labor, either within their borders or in someone else country, there is no escaping this. If you look at prices of goods vs wage earn for example, SG have it a lot better then most countries around us.

For example. prices of most luxury goods in SG is about 10-15% more expensive then Taiwan(I'm using Taiwan as example coz I just came back from there so I am familiar with the cost and wages there), yet the average SG wages for similar positions are more 50-100% higher then Taiwan, in fact the average local fresh grad with a starting pay of 2.5K earns almost twice as much as a fresh grad from Taiwan. However the goods in Taiwan is not 1/2 the price in SG. Example a cheap meal at a countryside stall will set you back about SGD$2.5(TWD$50-70) and that's the cheap rural areas, yet in SG it's still easy to find food at $3-3.5 even in the middle of the CBD area.

The strange thing however is the lower wage level U go, the wages in Taiwan starts to level with the wages in SG. The minimum wage in Taiwan is about SGD$700-800, in SG the lowest level worker also earns about that much. No secret as to why the cost of goods in SG is not that much different from Taiwan yet we are earning almost twice their wages. Want to make a good guess how the prices will go if we force implement a minimum wage at set it to 50% higher then today???

A lot of BS here if you ask me. If this is how you correlate the economic conditions and cost of living between Taiwan and Singapore, you definitely fail your econs exams. This is purely skimming the surface and you draw a conclusion based on what...salary and food?

 

[Char_Azn]

A lot of BS here if you ask me. If this is how you correlate the economic conditions and cost of living between Taiwan and Singapore, you definitely fail your econs exams. This is purely skimming the surface and you draw a conclusion based on what...salary and food?

You have no idea what the meaning of "example" is, do U?

 

[mojito]

All a minimum wage does is to mandate a system whereby lazy, unproductive members of society end up earning far more than they are worth.

Have to disagree with you on this one. A minimum wage ensures that working class people in ordinary jobs can earn enough to live well, i.e. at a standard of living above mere subsistence. If members of society are unproductive, it is because the job functions are not designed to be productive enough for workers to earn that wage level. Therefore minimum wage will add pressure to companies to become more productive in the long run, or fail utterly as basket cases should anyway.

And since we already have a liberal immigration policy, I think a minimum wage will not benefit "lazy and unproductive members of society" as you have suggested.

A non-sequitur here, but would you consider retirees as "lazy and unproductive members of society too"? Most will agree on the latter, but with regards to the former it is rather subjective. Can you try to describe the architypical "lazy Singaporean" that you frequently lambast in this forum?

 

[Char_Azn]

A lot of BS here if you ask me. If this is how you correlate the economic conditions and cost of living between Taiwan and Singapore, you definitely fail your econs exams. This is purely skimming the surface and you draw a conclusion based on what...salary and food?

BTW read this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8802890/Minimum-wage-harming-job-opportunities-for-young.html

 

[jubilee1919]

BTW read this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8802890/Minimum-wage-harming-job-opportunities-for-young.html

It has no relation to what I pointed out to you, and besides it refers to 18 year old kids and not everyone. My point relates to your "examples" and conclusion.

 

[Char_Azn]

It has no relation to what I pointed out to you, and besides it refers to 18 year old kids and not everyone. My point relates to your "examples" and conclusion.

Wage is the single biggest income that most pple have and unless U are in retail with less then 1 staff at your store, for the majority of companies out there, wages is also the single highest operating expense that they have(don't take my word for it, go check out financial statements of companies that publish them) and Food is the most important item that any one person needs that is why I used them as examples. They are totally relevant to the topic.