Singapore And China Develops e-City In Tianjin

[senatorabudelai]

When will they EVER learn? :(

http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_...china-to-develop-e-city-in-tianjin-33036.html

 

[Alamaking]

alamak, kenna kok again, lol

 

[ahleebabasingaporethief]

ALREADY GOT BIG PROBLEMS.......NOT REPORTED IN SINGAPORE BUT REPORTED OVERSEAS.
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Tianjin Eco City turning into another Suzhou nightmare for Singapore

December 27, 2009
Singapore’s latest foray into China, led by the <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background-color: transparent; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 50%; -moz-background-size: auto auto; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_0" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_0')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_0')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_0')" leohighlights_keywords="ministry" leohighlights_url_top="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsTop.jsp?keywords%3Dministry%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_url_bottom="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsBottom.jsp?keywords%3Dministry%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_underline="true">Ministry</leo_highlight> of National Development to develop an eco-city in the northern <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background-color: transparent; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 50%; -moz-background-size: auto auto; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_1" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_1')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_1')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_1')" leohighlights_keywords="metropolis" leohighlights_url_top="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsTop.jsp?keywords%3Dmetropolis%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_url_bottom="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsBottom.jsp?keywords%3Dmetropolis%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_underline="true">metropolis</leo_highlight> of Tianjing is turning into another Suzhou nightmare for the island state.
The China-Suzhou Industrial Park (SIP) was set up in 1994 at the outskirts of the Suzhou City in Jiangsu province with the help of Singapore funds and expertise. Singapore owned a 65% stake in the park.
Even as the park was being constructed, the Suzhou City government set up Suzhou New District Industrial Park (SND) right next to SIP. It was the exact replica of the Singapore model.
As the Suzhou City government had a majority stake in SND, it largely ignored the SIP and concentrated on promoting the SND instead.
After incurring losses of some US$90 million over 5 years, the Singapore consortium lowered its stake to 35 percent, raising the Chinese consortium’s stake to 65 percent from 35 percent and reducing the Singaporean share from a planned 70 sq.km. to just 8 sq.km (source: wikipedia)
According to a report in the Sunday Times, tension appears to be building up in the joint Sino-Singapore <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background-color: transparent; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 50%; -moz-background-size: auto auto; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_2" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_2')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_2')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_2')" leohighlights_keywords="team" leohighlights_url_top="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsTop.jsp?keywords%3Dteam%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_url_bottom="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsBottom.jsp?keywords%3Dteam%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_underline="true">team</leo_highlight> as Singaporean and Chinese officials often do not see eye to eye on such things as work priorities and timing.
A Singaporean, who has lived in China for over a decade and works for a company with close dealings with the Eco-City was quoted as saying: “We may have another Suzhou Industrial Park tangle on our hands.”
One problem which continues to plague the project as in Suzhou is the difference in priorities between local officials and the Singaporeans.
Though the project has received strong support from the central government in Beijing, it is the provincial officials the Singapore <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background-color: transparent; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 50%; -moz-background-size: auto auto; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_3" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_3')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_3')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_3')" leohighlights_keywords="team" leohighlights_url_top="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsTop.jsp?keywords%3Dteam%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_url_bottom="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsBottom.jsp?keywords%3Dteam%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_underline="true">team</leo_highlight> have to liaise with and many do not share the vision of their Singapore counter-parts.
To the Tianjin officials who are there only for a short stint, they are desperate to produce quick results which will earn them promotions elsewhere.
For example, while Singapore would like to have Housing Board-style public housing that will cater to low-income Chinese, Tianjin officials have been lukewarm to the idea because they worry over who will stump up the cash to subsidise the apartments.
A Tianjin official apparently told his Singaporean colleague:
“By the time the public housing project is completed, many of us Tianjin officials would likely be promoted elsewhere. Who would still be around to ensure that it is really the poor people who are relocated to this public housing estate?”
Singapore appears not to have learnt its previous lessons from Suzhou – that written contracts count for little in business transactions in China and local officials are often more interested in securing promotions for themselves than the welfare of the people.
There is an ancient Chinese saying: “The mountains are tall and the Emperor resides far away”. The Tianjin provincial government runs autonomously on its own and even the central government in Beijing has to “kowtow” to it in order to get things done there.
Like in Suzhou, the project was supposed to be a joint collaboration between two national governments, but end up being hijacked by the provincial government instead.
For some inexplicable reasons, a state agency – the <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background-color: transparent; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 50%; -moz-background-size: auto auto; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_4" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_4')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_4')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_4')" leohighlights_keywords="ministry" leohighlights_url_top="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsTop.jsp?keywords%3Dministry%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_url_bottom="http%3A//shortcuts.thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/plugin/highlights/3_1/tbh_highlightsBottom.jsp?keywords%3Dministry%26domain%3Dnokia.sgforums.com" leohighlights_underline="true">Ministry</leo_highlight> of National Development, which is funded entirely by taxpayers’ monies, is directly involved in the Tianjin Eco City.
Asked why it was picked as the lead agency, the MND told The Sunday Times that its ‘expertise in township development is essential, especially in areas such as master planning…and the provision of housing and green spaces’.
It is not revealed how much money that MND has pumped into Tianjin so far. There is no opposition in parliament to hold the ruling party accountable which gives it the freedom to do anything as it wishes without answering to the people.
In China, the officials and businessmen are frequently decried as being in “cahoots” with one another to cheat the people. In Singapore, the officials and businessmen are together in one single “class”.
An earlier Straits Times report in August this year described Singapore’s Minister of National Development Mah Bow Tan as a ”key player” in the development of the Tianjin eco-city, which China and Singapore formally agreed to develop in Nov 2007. He co-chair a joint business council on cooperation between Singapore and Tianjin.
With due respect to Mr Mah, he is hardly the ideal person to fill such a position. An engineer by training, he worked in the civil service during his entire career before he was plucked to stand in the elections and becoming a minister. He never had any experience working in China before.
The government should never be involved in business at all which should be left to the private sector with the necessary drive, experience and expertise.
Fortunately for Mah, he would never be asked to answer for any mistakes made just like in Suzhou when the Singapore consortium reportedly lost more than USD$90 million dollars in 5 years.




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[Received_by_Kings]

This is all in all, just a game, and a very competitive one at that. The industrious and aspiring commoners are Chinese, the authorities governing them are also Chinese, and so are the overseas authorities both especially the latter are up against.

So all in all it's just a typical motion in the ongoing battle of smarts, and it seems that no matter how intelligent and able the locals and their leaders naturally are it is usually the overseas Chinese and their leaders - probably with their much broader exposure to people and life - that usually end up being smarter and even more cunning.

 

[Logisex]

To the PRCs, they are only concern about one thing in everything that they do - "What's in it for me?"

The PRCs get a free ride to their next promotion in this project. What are we getting out of it?

 

[jw5]

To the PRCs, they are only concern about one thing in everything that they do - "What's in it for me?"

The PRCs get a free ride to their next promotion in this project. What are we getting out of it?

"What's in it for me" is asked by most people whenever they do anything.

The thing that stands out about PRCs for me is the way they use absurd logic to try and justify their argument.
Some of them can spend hours on end arguing with you about something, with little or no logic in their argument.
You should know.

 

[Received_by_Kings]

To the PRCs, they are only concern about one thing in everything that they do - "What's in it for me?"

The PRCs get a free ride to their next promotion in this project. What are we getting out of it?

What are we getting out of it. Letting them get a ride on. For free.

 

[Watchman]

What are we getting out of it. Letting them get a ride on. For free.

It's one men s ego that some other country might just look like ours .

It's a civilization/ legacy thing .