Singapore Airline new mid budget Airline - SCOOT

[Alamaking]

According to my friend, there's a market for long route budget, its something like SilkAir, but budgeted with longer route, Tiger Air is fucked with short routes.

 

[johnny333]

They'll probably put a scholar or angmo in charge of SCOOT

In either case it'll just be another uncompetitive airline like Tiger/SIA

 

[Alamaking]

They'll probably put a scholar or angmo in charge of SCOOT

In either case it'll just be another uncompetitive airline like Tiger/SIA

A New Zealander I think

 

[red amoeba]

According to my friend, there's a market for long route budget, its something like SilkAir, but budgeted with longer route, Tiger Air is fucked with short routes.

when Fernandez first started Airasia, SIA & Sinkie government scoffed at the idea - no one gave them a chance to succeed...history prove they are wrong. But at that time, they think budget travelling, max only 4 hours - which is why budget airlines all fly A320 / A319 / 773 then Airasia X is created & did very well.

Now SIA /Singapore government want to follow.

All this while, go follow behind people's fart...well, better than refusing to budge and get left so fucking far behind.

Now MOT will have headache who to give the landing right.

 

[halsey02]

WTF is SIA's obession with yellow?

SIA bird = yellow
Tiger Airways = yellow
Scoot = yellow

"Yellow, yellow, dirty felow", when the "C" comes off, it becomes black, then it is SOOT! ha ha ha

 

[halsey02]

when Fernandez first started Airasia, SIA & Sinkie government scoffed at the idea - no one gave them a chance to succeed...history prove they are wrong. But at that time, they think budget travelling, max only 4 hours - which is why budget airlines all fly A320 / A319 / 773 then Airasia X is created & did very well.

Now SIA /Singapore government want to follow.

All this while, go follow behind people's fart...well, better than refusing to budge and get left so fucking far behind.

Now MOT will have headache who to give the landing right.

They collect money up front that goes into their bank accounts after deducting expenses, many book never fly, especially the $1 offer, you can't cancel, you pay for everything to place onto the plane & but F&B on board, what a way to make a pile of money. Fernandez I think, please correct me, approached the stuck up farts here...they scoffed at him. Now he don't care a hoot about the SOOT, oops! Scoot. heh heh heh

 

[red amoeba]

They collect money up front that goes into their bank accounts after deducting expenses, many book never fly, especially the $1 offer, you can't cancel, you pay for everything to place onto the plane & but F&B on board, what a way to make a pile of money. Fernandez I think, please correct me, approached the stuck up farts here...they scoffed at him. Now he don't care a hoot about the SOOT, oops! Scoot. heh heh heh

yes, i recalled its the case.

Fernandez want to fly Airasia to SIN...before all this Open Sky thingy...but I believe Singapore government (and a part SIA) object. Becos at that time SIN-KL shuttle is a lucrative cash cow.

So, he went to base it in Johor...

and then he start Airasia Thailand...this one Sinkie government cannot block, flying SIN-BKK, if i don't recall wrongly Sin Thailand have open skies...

 

[johnny333]

..Now SIA /Singapore government want to follow...

We've all seen this before the greedy gov't going after anything that seems to offer $. Instead of encouraging the private sector to get involved , Temasek or one the GLCs will go after the pie in the sky

They might of course succeed but I'm doubtful as the same clowns will be involved i.e. Ho Ching, the Lees, etc

 

[hurley]

Scoot won't overlap with Tiger

When Singapore Airlines (SIA) unveiled its new low-cost carrier called Scoot yesterday, the latter's chief executive stressed that Scoot will tap into segments of the market different from those targeted by another SIA-linked firm, Tiger Airways.

Mr Campbell Wilson, a New Zealander and Singapore permanent resident who has been seconded from SIA to pioneer Scoot, said that Tiger Airways is a short-haul budget airline that flies to destinations four hours away from Singapore.

However, Scoot is a medium- to long-haul no-frills carrier, which flies to destinations five to 10 hours away. "(In) that context, there is very little...crossover with Tiger," he said.

SIA's public-affairs vice-president, Mr Nicholas Ionides, also stressed that Scoot and Tiger are "different". He clarified that "we have no plans, at this point, for any change in our Tiger Airways shareholding".

This ends months of rife speculation about SIA's plans to downsize - or end - its investment in Tiger Airways, with the launch of its new carrier. SIA is a major stakeholder in Tiger Airways, which was incorporated in 2003.

At a press meeting held at retro-bar Yello Jello yesterday, Mr Wilson symbolically "chased" Mr Ionides off the stage - a move exemplifying Scoot's desire to be seen as separate from its parent company.

While there are "contracts and expertise" that Scoot can leverage on, Mr Wilson said that the carrier is managed independently and has the"freedom and mandate to be different" from SIA.

Scoot, which will operate from Changi Airport's Terminal 2, is owned wholly by SIA.

But Mr Wilson emphasised that Scoot has no intention to be a substitute for SIA. This move was made to tap into a "new, growing market" of no-frills carriers. He said: "Our ambition is to bring incremental traffic to the SIA Group, whether it is a new route altogether, or identifying, targeting and developing a new market on existing routes.

"Taking over routes from SIA is not the intention of Scoot."

SilkAir, another carrier owned by SIA, was set up to take over SIA flights to Asian holiday destinations.

Scoot will begin its operations in June, and have four Boeing 777-200 planes in its fleet by the end of next year.

There are plans to increase the size of its fleet every year by two to three jets; and to have 14 aircraft by 2016.

Mr Wilson said that Scoot will fly to "at least four" cities in Australia and China at the start, though no specifics were stated.

It has two cabin classes promising more width and legroom - addressing gripes of tight spaces between seats on budget airlines - and its fares are up to 40 per cent lower than those at full-service providers.

Scoot also intends to purchase Boeing 777-200ER planes, which can travel up to 13 hours, to fly to farther locations such as Europe, Africa and the United States.

 

[red amoeba]

i seriously wonder how many backpackers r going to fly 13 hrs to France / UK on no frills.

they will sell F&B i am sure at jacked up prices - net effect on passengers, u might as well take full-svc airlines.

 

[eatshitndie]

sorry cannot overload or tongpang...scoot.

 

[eatshitndie]

seriously cheap overbooked overloaded transport

 

[Cestbon]

i seriously wonder how many backpackers r going to fly 13 hrs to France / UK on no frills.

they will sell F&B i am sure at jacked up prices - net effect on passengers, u might as well take full-svc airlines.

One coke/drink $5min. Sandwich $8/pcs. Need to spend extra $100 on 13 hr flight.


SCOOT will close in less than 2 year. Or buy over by other airline.

 

[Windsor]

yes, i recalled its the case.

Fernandez want to fly Airasia to SIN...before all this Open Sky thingy...but I believe Singapore government (and a part SIA) object. Becos at that time SIN-KL shuttle is a lucrative cash cow.

So, he went to base it in Johor...

and then he start Airasia Thailand...this one Sinkie government cannot block, flying SIN-BKK, if i don't recall wrongly Sin Thailand have open skies...

Air Asia need to have local country JV in order to have landing rights etc. For example, Viet Air Asia, Indo Air Asia, ANA.Air Asia JV and etc. It has a different business approach to Scoot.

 

[Windsor]

We've all seen this before the greedy gov't going after anything that seems to offer $. Instead of encouraging the private sector to get involved , Temasek or one the GLCs will go after the pie in the sky

They might of course succeed but I'm doubtful as the same clowns will be involved i.e. Ho Ching, the Lees, etc

Singapore is too small in land area compared to other countries. Reciprocal landing rights are inter-governmental and Singapore has only one city to offer. This must be handled judiciously and with care and for Singapore's benefit. All countries guard their skies jealously and won't allow others to make a profit by taking advantage.

In the Singapore context, operating an airline is an expensive venture that not many Singapore investor would dare to put their money on. Without the government's support, it is impossible to do.

 

[Windsor]

i seriously wonder how many backpackers r going to fly 13 hrs to France / UK on no frills.

they will sell F&B i am sure at jacked up prices - net effect on passengers, u might as well take full-svc airlines.

The major customers will be backpackers, salesmen and the like who will not mind the inconveniences and will rough it. To say the least, any one who can save some money will not mind unless the airfare is paid by their company. Even millionaires who travel frequently to Jakarta or KL almost every week will not hesitate to use budget airlines, what more those who are ordinary workers paying out of their pocket.

 

[Windsor]

One coke/drink $5min. Sandwich $8/pcs. Need to spend extra $100 on 13 hr flight.


SCOOT will close in less than 2 year. Or buy over by other airline.

SIA is big enough to be able to withstand initial losses. With time on their side, when the economy improves and more people travel SCOOT will prosper. Unlike Tiger Airways, SCOOT is different as SIA has much more control and as such will put in more resources and effort to make it a success.

 

[scroobal]

Agree with you.

It is also a defensive move to protect its share of the market. The fact that it 100% owned by SIA and the CEO is seconded by from SIA, plays a big part. They will not let it fail. Tiger was a different proposition as Temasek has a bigger say with SIA have no operational oversight.

Budget long hauls is not exactly the next paradigm as Virgin has been running it for years. Yes, they not only do budget short haul, they also do long haul budget.

SIA is big enough to be able to withstand initial losses. With time on their side, when the economy improves and more people travel SCOOT will prosper. Unlike Tiger Airways, SCOOT is different as SIA has much more control and as such will put in more resources and effort to make it a success.

 

[johnny333]

Singapore is too small in land area compared to other countries. Reciprocal landing rights are inter-governmental and Singapore has only one city to offer. This must be handled judiciously and with care and for Singapore's benefit. All countries guard their skies jealously and won't allow others to make a profit by taking advantage.

In the Singapore context, operating an airline is an expensive venture that not many Singapore investor would dare to put their money on. Without the government's support, it is impossible to do.

Correction, the sky over Spore is controlled by the Lee's like everything else in Spore & they will jealously guard it until someone pays them.

 

[sadshishamo]

Local entrepreneur ong beng seng did try to start something about 10 to 15 years back. Cant recall what his business model was. The Govt didnt encourage or discourage his idea asa far as i know.

Lately Jett8 started up with 2 747 aircraft but the oil price spike coupled with the crisis of 2008 were headwinds that Jett 8 could not surmount.

You can see the difficulties here if you dont have deep pockets backing your airline venture.

In the Singapore context, operating an airline is an expensive venture that not many Singapore investor would dare to put their money on. Without the government's support, it is impossible to do.