Shanmugam vs Sylvia Lim on Woffles Wu

[GoldenDragon]

Shanmugam was a seasoned lawyer. He carefully selected the cases and tabled them to MPs. That being the case would a ex Sr Counsel be so stupid as to choose cases which show that Woffles Wu indeed gotten off lightly? WP has NO access to the thousands of Woffles Wu similar cases hence Shanmu can pull any rabbit from his tricky hat.

Very true. If WW wasn't favored, I tok!

 

[chilakak]

In this case, clearly Sylvia is the one caught flat footed, because she was too lazy to do her own research. Any lawyer will tell you this is a 20 minute job.

Are you speaking from personal experience as a lawyer?
If you are not a lawyer, are you speaking from personal experience of having a lawyer actually tell you that?
If neither of the above, are you merely passing gas?

 

[ionzu]

She does have a budget of $1,500.00 per month to hire a legislative assistant

You are a funny guy
I can't hire a driver for $1500 these days

 

[jw5]

You are a funny guy
I can't hire a driver for $1500 these days

She's a woman.
And you're a monk, you don't need a driver.

 

[ionzu]

Brother, You assume the driver is for me

 

[ahkow]

shanmugan clarified with 6 examples and Sylvia simply ran away from them.

Shanmugam is probably bluffing. Why don't he provide all similar cases and see how many result in fine and/or jail term. You cannot handpick 6 cases out of a few hundreds to support your argument.

 

[Conqueror]

Law Is Flimsy

Pritam should come out knock on Shanmugan head. Law minister vs lawyer.

I always thought that Law is a flimsy thing without a concrete foundation. These people can interpret according how they want it should be and not according to the truth and fairness of each and every case.

Law is quite dead and dumb. It is without a base. Today, orange is classified under red and very soon it will be lumped together with yellow and green.

 

[Mdm Tang]

You are a funny guy
I can't hire a driver for $1500 these days

They come to u .
Not the other way round.

 

[Papsmearer]

Spot on.......... you are the sharp ONE

Well, if I am the smart one, than what does that make Sylvia Lim? A dummy? I really don't understand these oppo people. Everyone knows before hand what the questions are. They have to be tabled first. If I were Sylvia I would have anticipated Sham's replies and actions. The most obvious would be for Sham to bring up examples of other cases that have similar sentences to Woffles' case. U can be assured that Sham spend no expenses to dig through all the Traffic Court records to find these 6 cases, and the fact there is only 6 cases from 2004 to 2007 should tell Sylvia how unusual Woffles punishment is. If it was a common punishment, Sham would have brought up 60 cases, not 6.

Why couldn't she have done her own homework? I am no Traffic Court expert, but I thought that all judgements are a matter of public record. Could she not have someone dig through and bring up 200 case examples to fight his 6? Even a supporter in the car insurance business can have access to driving records, no?

If I were Sylvia, I would have asked to see the names and cases of these 6 people to determine if they are exactly like the Woffles case. And if any or all of these 6 people were connected. I would have asked SHam how many traffic speeding cases resulted in jail terms in those years he mentioned. If SHam says 300 cases, than it makes his 6 examples look like exceptions rather than the rule. And that is what SYlvia is going after, why the exception?

No matter how Sham twist it, this whole case is a big cover up. The Police should have also been investigated too for their part. I mean an 82 year old man goes to the station to admit he was the driver of a speeding car that he does not own. And they actually buy it? Are u kidding me? Most 82 year old already giveup driving, or else their eyesight and reactions are so slow that they are usually the slow drivers on the road, not speeding drivers. I bet that if you put this 82 year old man in WOffles Mercedes Benz, he would not even know how to drive it, much less speed in it.

 

[Kinana]

Thats why I say WP is so weak against PAP, I can only conclude that they are conspiring to put up a show in parliament together. It can't be any other way.
So for those who are against PAP, support SDP or NSP, not WP. You are falling into their trap and wasting your vote and time.

 

[Mdm Tang]

let me check with Mao 1st ...
tks for yr info

 

[GoldenDragon]

No matter how Sham twist it, this whole case is a big cover up. The Police should have also been investigated too for their part. I mean an 82 year old man goes to the station to admit he was the driver of a speeding car that he does not own. They they buy it? Are u kidding me? Most 82 year old already giveup driving, or else their eyesight and reactions are so slow that they are usually the slow drivers on the road, not speeding drivers. I bet that if you put this 82 year old man in WOffles Mercedes Benz, he would not even know how to drive it, much less speed in it.

Agree with you 100%. Only a moron will see it in another way.

 

[ConyuConhee]

Very true. If WW wasn't favored, I tok!

WW is a bumiputera

 

[nylongods]

Case closed. Let's move on.

Problem is, that was only a fictitious statement. So how can we move on?

 

[ionzu]

Thats why I say WP is so weak against PAP, I can only conclude that they are conspiring to put up a show in parliament together. It can't be any other way.
So for those who are against PAP, support SDP or NSP, not WP. You are falling into their trap and wasting your vote and time.

the WP is the only credible threat to the PAP at this moment.

it is no wonder the PAP is trying all means to discredit the WP, including equating WP to PAP.

our politicians no longer care about singaporeans. they only care about power.

 

[cass888]

I am speaking from experience of having used a lawyer. And actually seeing how they do it. In 5-6 keystrokes they'd have a list. Another 10 minutes to print out the cases.

You guys can twist it all she wants. She was just underperforming on that day. Even if she didn't do her research, she should either have accepted Shan's answers or kept quiet, did her research and ask the question on a separate occasion. Citing unnamed lawyers' speculations in Parliament in just amateurish and laughable. Or maybe she just wanted to score maximum political points.

Are you speaking from personal experience as a lawyer?
If you are not a lawyer, are you speaking from personal experience of having a lawyer actually tell you that?
If neither of the above, are you merely passing gas?

 

[Balancemind]

The founder of Singapore, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, also offered corroboration in the form of a letter from the International Bar Association that spoke about "how impressed they were by the standards they found to obtain in the judiciary…Standards of the rule of law and the judges, the meritocracy which is practiced throughout the judiciary."

That was when old man was giving evidence from the witness box before Belinda Ang J in the assessment of the damages he has suffered whilst still in the state of slumbering, dreaming away. Well he has been awarded a fairly hefty sum as damages for that expectation which only exist in his dream. Have your read the Report of IBA on the standard of our Judicial system issued in July 2008 if not the link for your reading - http://www.ibanet.org/Human_Rights_Institute/HRI_Publications/Country_reports.aspx#2008. The 3rd Report under 2008. This is the letter that old man has been dreaming upon and lucky for him it was made available just too late otherwise that lady judge may bo bian has to reconsider her award of damages.

 

[sense]

This apple to apple comparison? That case below, that guy had a prior record.

You want apple to apple?

"Wu got 83-year old Mr Kuan Yit Wah to lie on two occasions to the police that he was the driver behind Wu's car when it was caught speeding in Nov 2006 and Sept 2005, reported The Straits Times."

Occasion 1: 1st time

Occasion 2: 2nd time.

1+1 is not equal to 1!

 

[Cruxx]

That was when old man was giving evidence from the witness box before Belinda Ang J in the assessment of the damages he has suffered whilst still in the state of slumbering, dreaming away. Well he has been awarded a fairly hefty sum as damages for that expectation which only exist in his dream. Have your read the Report of IBA on the standard of our Judicial system issued in July 2008 if not the link for your reading - http://www.ibanet.org/Human_Rights_Institute/HRI_Publications/Country_reports.aspx#2008. The 3rd Report under 2008. This is the letter that old man has been dreaming upon and lucky for him it was made available just too late otherwise that lady judge may bo bian has to reconsider her award of damages.

Seems like not all sinkies are so dumb after all

 

[jw5]

I am speaking from experience of having used a lawyer.

Hopefully he didn't feel too dirty after you used him.