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Serious Religious Teacher And Student Arrested Under ISA For Teaching People To Kill Apostates And Kafirs! Guess Religion!

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SINGAPORE: Two Singaporeans – a former religious teacher and one of his students - have been issued restriction orders under the Internal Security Act (ISA), the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) announced on Wednesday (Jan 16).

Freelance religious teacher Murad Mohd Said, 46, was placed on the order on Dec 5 last year for “propagating beliefs promoting violence and views detrimental to the cohesion of Singapore's multi-racial and multi-religious society”, said MHA.

This is the first time a restriction order has been issued to a previously recognised religious teacher. Murad was accredited under the Asatizah Recognition Scheme (ARS), which recognises teachers and scholars who meet the minimum standards of qualification to teach Islamic religious knowledge.

"He (Murad) taught that it was compulsory to kill apostates, defined broadly to include non-believers, Sufis, Shi'ites and Muslims who have renounced Islam or disregarded texts and rulings from the Quran and Sunnah," MHA said in a media release.

"He also taught that Muslims were allowed to defend themselves by waging 'armed jihad' against 'infidels who persecuted them'."

Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said the orders are a clear indication that authorities will act under the ISA "whenever society is threatened".


"We've said across all religions, promote your religion but you cannot promote violence, you cannot run down another religion, you cannot run down another race," he said. "When you advocate, preach violence using your religious role, we will act."

The ministry added that Murad also encouraged his students to withdraw from Singapore’s secular society, disregard secular laws and adhere to the rulings of Syariah law instead.

ARS CERTIFICATION CANCELLED

Last May, the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (MUIS) cancelled Murad’s accreditation for propagating segregationist ideologies that contravened the ARS code of ethics.

However, Murad continued to propagate those views online, said MHA.

"Online, there's a potential to influence so many more, more easily through social media," Mr Shanmugam said.

When asked by reporters regarding the implications for the ARS, Mr Shanmugam said one should look at the individual rather than the certification process.

"It is entirely possible for people to espouse a certain set of religious beliefs, and then over time add to those teachings or change those teachings," he added.

Mr Shanmugam said MUIS had accredited Murad based on information they had at the time, but when it found his teachings to be inappropriate, his accreditation was revoked.

“Actually, I think MUIS ought to be commended because you have a system of certification. It works well, by and large ... they have revoked certifications of others as well ... when his teachings are inimical to society," Mr Shanmugam said.


MHA said that “Murad’s binary ‘us versus them’ worldview and violent teachings, which he propagated to his students and followers, could have led them to develop extremist views, as well as lead to inter-faith tensions".

“His statements on the primacy of Syariah law over secular laws also undermined Singapore’s secular nation-state system," it added.

STUDENT ARRESTED

Murad’s student, Razali Abas, was arrested under the ISA last September after he was found to hold radical views on the use of armed violence against the perceived enemies of Islam, MHA said.

The 56-year-old technician was issued with a restriction order a month later to “prevent him from continuing his downward spiral into extremism”, MHA added.

Razali was introduced to Murad some time in 2012 before he began attending the latter’s classes.

“The exclusivist religious teachings he imbibed from the classes rendered him susceptible to the more radical and violent influences he later encountered on social media,” MHA said.

“Over time, Razali became convinced that it was legitimate to kill those he felt were oppressors of Islam, including non-Muslims and Shi’ites.”

MHA said Razali began to seek out individuals with militant-looking profiles on Facebook, seeing them as “heroes” who were making sacrifices.

The posts on these profiles, MHA said, also reinforced his belief in armed violence and his admiration and support for militant groups such as Al-Qaeda.

INTERNAL SECURITY DEPARTMENT

When asked if Murad’s other students will be monitored, Mr Shanmugam said it was not appropriate for him to go into these issues.

"What you can be confident about is anyone who is thinking of doing violence to others would be of interest to the Internal Security Department," he added.


Mr Shanmugam said ISD did not place Murad under restriction order immediately after his accreditation was revoked because it first makes a "careful assessment of people".

"We are very careful before we take steps," he said. "Often, officers from the Internal Security Department will actually talk to you, if they feel you are going offline, and advise you.

"A better approach is to try to get you to understand the laws, the values and your responsibilities.

"(If) that doesn’t work and you continue, as in his case, to actually advocate violence and the killing of others, and you become a threat to other people’s lives, then we will act."

Mr Shanmugam said that while both individuals had not taken concrete action - like transferring money to terrorist groups - to further their causes, they had crossed "many red lines".

“It hasn’t reached that stage yet, but if you are a religious teacher and you preach violence, and you tell your students it’s okay to kill non-Muslims, that’s an absolute no-no,” he stated.

People issued with a restriction order must abide by several conditions. They cannot, for instance, travel out of Singapore or change addresses or jobs without approval. They also cannot issue public statements, address public meetings or print, distribute or contribute to any publication without approval.

In 2010, another Singaporean teacher-student pair was placed under restriction orders for similar views.

Muhammad Anwar Jailani, 44, was an unaccredited religious teacher who had distributed to his students, contacts and the general public numerous copies of CDs containing lectures which called on Muslims to undertake militant jihad against non-Muslims and other "enemies" of Islam.

Anwar’s student Muhammad Thahir Shaik Dawood, 27, also became radicalised through the teacher’s influence.

LAPSE OF RESTRICTION ORDER

Meanwhile, MHA also announced on Wednesday that the restriction order issued against Singaporean Mohd Jauhari Abdullah was allowed to lapse on Sep 14 last year.

Jauhari was a senior member of the Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) when he was detained in September 2002 in the second phase of the Singapore JI arrests. He was released on restriction order in September 2012, said MHA.


Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...r-student-restriction-orders-isa-mha-11129912
 
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glockman

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Muslims are forbidden to kill and freedom of faith is enshrined in their holy book
You mean "your" holy book, not "their" holy book. You seem to know more than those so-called religious teachers. Perhaps you could be teaching your fellow muslims.
 

glockman

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Sinkieland should sign an agreement with the US to send all these sinkie Islamic terrorists to Gitmo. To be detained indefinitely without trial and undergo torture. That'll teach those fuckers.
 

Semaj2357

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Sinkieland should sign an agreement with the US to send all these sinkie Islamic terrorists to Gitmo. To be detained indefinitely without trial and undergo torture. That'll teach those fuckers.
hanor, waterboarding with newater to flood whatever brains they've got and dry wakeboarding over their arses should git mo of these mozzies to see the folly in absorption of wayward teachings and false messiahs :frown:
 

JohnTan

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Muslims are forbidden to kill and freedom of faith is enshrined in their holy book

Islam's holy book makes it explicitly clear that muslims are to kill any muslim who tries to leave islam. That teaching has yet to be declared obsolete or replaced by more peaceful islamic teachings.

'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
 

whoami

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Islam's holy book makes it explicitly clear that muslims are to kill any muslim who tries to leave islam. That teaching has yet to be declared obsolete or replaced by more peaceful islamic teachings.

'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

That was during the Prophet time. Non Muslims everywhere. His mission as a Prophet was to spread Islam. Hypocrites need to be killed or Muslims be killed.

U can keep quoting the Hadiths where such warring events happened 1400years ago. No diff fm ur bible the OT.
 

borom

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Treating the symptoms but what about looking into/treating the cause?
If you look at the region including Southern Thailand, Mindanao, ect2 it gives you an idea of the extent of the issue
 

JohnTan

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That was during the Prophet time. Non Muslims everywhere. His mission as a Prophet was to spread Islam. Hypocrites need to be killed or Muslims be killed.

U can keep quoting the Hadiths where such warring events happened 1400years ago. No diff fm ur bible the OT.

Weren't you once arguing that there's no compulsion with islam? Now you find yourself justifying why it is okay to kill people who leave islam.


That was during the Prophet time. Non Muslims everywhere. His mission as a Prophet was to spread Islam.

Which prophet are you referring? Isaiah? Samuel? Aren't there supposed to be a lot of prophets in Islam.

The founder of islam, the so-called 'prophet', muhammad, demanded that people either convert to islam, or be killed and their belongings plundered. It's what ISIS and Boko Haram has been doing for the past few years.

muhammad's letter to the rulers of Oman:

"In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

From Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah to Jaifer and ‘Abd Al-Jalandi.

Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; thereafter I invite both of you to the Call of Islam. Embrace Islam. Allâh has sent me as a Prophet to all His creatures in order that I may instil fear of Allâh in the hearts of His disobedient creatures so that there may be left no excuse for those who deny Allâh. If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship."

Hypocrites need to be killed or Muslims be killed.

So when are you going to kill yourself for being a hypocrite?

You boasted that there's no compulsion of religion in islam, but you knew very well your muhammad explicitly ordered for apostates to be murdered, and non-believers to either convert to islam or face military invasion and destruction.
 

whoami

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Weren't you once arguing that there's no compulsion with islam? Now you find yourself justifying why it is okay to kill people who leave islam.




Which prophet are you referring? Isaiah? Samuel? Aren't there supposed to be a lot of prophets in Islam.

The founder of islam, the so-called 'prophet', muhammad, demanded that people either convert to islam, or be killed and their belongings plundered. It's what ISIS and Boko Haram has been doing for the past few years.

muhammad's letter to the rulers of Oman:

"In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

From Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah to Jaifer and ‘Abd Al-Jalandi.

Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; thereafter I invite both of you to the Call of Islam. Embrace Islam. Allâh has sent me as a Prophet to all His creatures in order that I may instil fear of Allâh in the hearts of His disobedient creatures so that there may be left no excuse for those who deny Allâh. If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship."



So when are you going to kill yourself for being a hypocrite?

You boasted that there's no compulsion of religion in islam, but you knew very well your muhammad explicitly ordered for apostates to be murdered, and non-believers to either convert to islam or face military invasion and destruction.

The prophet was sent by Allah swt to spread the message of Islam. The Prophet and very few close companions were very very much outnumbered by enemies of Islam. Of course the Prophet had to protect himself and his followers. There were some among the followers were hypocrites and out to kill the Prophet so as to stop him from spreading God's words as it ruined their business (pagan idol worshipping). So its not wrong to eliminate hypocrites and enemies of Islam at that time.

Yes. Theres no compulsion in Islam. Check in out in the Quran. So if u kill someone just to convert him to Islam u blame the Prophet? Blame the Quran? If cant understand simple verse like above, u must be a retard.

Yes, apostates are like hypocrites. They knew all the secrets. So they must not be spared. Common during war times. If Prophets dont arrest them latter and armies would be killed by the enemies.

Military and destruction. Yes...tats what ur xtian USA been doing for so many decades. Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Iran, Syria. Millions and millions of innocents were killed in vain especially in Iraq. Lie about WMD. Till now those countries still killing each other and all its the work of the Satan USA!

I am the Lord All-Powerful, and now I am going to make Amalek pay! 3 “Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don’t have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys.” (1 Samuel 15)




Doing God's word - Senior BUsh

 

JohnTan

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Yes. Theres no compulsion in Islam. Check in out in the Quran. So if u kill someone just to convert him to Islam u blame the Prophet? Blame the Quran? If cant understand simple verse like above, u must be a retard.

Yeah I blame the fake prophet, muhammad. Muslims are attacking and killing apostates today because they are simply following their prophet. And liars like you are demanding that we spread the fake news that there's no compulsion in islam while muslims go around harming apostates.

'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

Yes, apostates are like hypocrites. They knew all the secrets. So they must not be spared. Common during war times. If Prophets dont arrest them latter and armies would be killed by the enemies.

Are you a hypocrite? In the event of a war with malaysia, will you side with the muslim invaders against the secular country like singapore?

Military and destruction. Yes...tats what ur xtian USA been doing for so many decades. Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Iran, Syria. Millions and millions of innocents were killed in vain especially in Iraq. Lie about WMD. Till now those countries still killing each other and all its the work of the Satan USA!

Most of the millions killed in Iraq are Shiite. So you can get the sand out of your sunni vagina. You are a sunni muslim. Like as though you care about the dead Shiites. If the Americans don't kill them, sunni muslims will. Never seen a m&d get upset when sunni saddam and sunni arabs went around killing and raping shiite people.

I am the Lord All-Powerful, and now I am going to make Amalek pay! 3 “Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don’t have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys.” (1 Samuel 15)

If the Americans and Israelis did that, the war in Afghanistan and Gaza would have long ago been over. Thanks for the reminder for the mistake that the Americans and the Jews have been making when dealing with islamists like yourself.
 

whoami

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Yeah I blame the fake prophet, muhammad. Muslims are attacking and killing apostates today because they are simply following their prophet. And liars like you are demanding that we spread the fake news that there's no compulsion in islam while muslims go around harming apostates.

'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

Great liar u are. If Muslims were to kill every one, u wont be around now licking away ur Master ass.


Are you a hypocrite? In the event of a war with malaysia, will you side with the muslim invaders against the secular country like singapore?

Are you a hypocrite? In the event of a war with Malaysia, will you side with the xtians/ceena jiuhukia invaders against the secular country like singapore?



Most of the millions killed in Iraq are Shiite. So you can get the sand out of your sunni vagina. You are a sunni muslim. Like as though you care about the dead Shiites. If the Americans don't kill them, sunni muslims will. Never seen a m&d get upset when sunni saddam and sunni arabs went around killing and raping shiite people.

So long they worship Allah, they are Muslims. Doesnt matter which sect they are from. But xtians Americans simply love to poke into other business. Plundering, killing, murdering the innocents like wat they did to Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Afganistan...asshole u....list goes on and on. Now they are meddling with China.



If the Americans and Israelis did that, the war in Afghanistan and Gaza would have long ago been over. Thanks for the reminder for the mistake that the Americans and the Jews have been making when dealing with islamists like yourself.

They are doing it in a very subtle manner. Hit and Run. Look at all the damages ur xtians USA did to Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afganistan, Syria. All they did is just to lie thru deception....WMD in Iraq, ur wet ass lah.

I am the Lord All-Powerful, and now I am going to make Amalek pay! 3 “Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don’t have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys.” (1 Samuel 15)



 

JohnTan

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Great liar u are. If Muslims were to kill every one, u wont be around now licking away ur Master ass.

So much for 'no compulsion in Islam'. Whoami is a proven liar, just like any islamist.

'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
 

syed putra

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So much for 'no compulsion in Islam'.

'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
The hadith are not holy books you dummy. Its written by people who neglected the holy book. Now from the holy book, quran, the one and only holy book :-

There is no compulsion in God’s orderly way of life

2:256 There is no compulsion in the orderly way of life. Certainly it is now clear between the guidance from the wrong ones. Thus whoever denies the virtual idols and he believes with God alone – thus - indeed he holds with the strongest bond which can never be broken - for him. And God is listening – He is very conscious.
You see, its not even a religion. It a way of life. But arabs turned it into a religion.
 

JohnTan

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The hadith are not holy books you dummy. Its written by people who neglected the holy book.

You've committed blasphemy. Every good muslim knows that the hadith is equal to the quran. The hadith is half the holy book, the quran the other half. You can't have a decent islam with only one book.
 

syed putra

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You've committed blasphemy. Every good muslim knows that the hadith is equal to the quran. The hadith is half the holy book, the quran the other half. You can't have a decent islam with only one book.
Hadiths contradict the quran in many cases. And its punishment mirrors that of christianity, the dominant fath in the region at that period.
 

syed putra

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To cut matters short, even the quran was not written by prophet mohamad. So its contents are questionable.
 
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