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Real Construction Cost Per PHole = $40k!

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January 31, 2010 by admin
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http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/01/31/construction-cost-of-new-queenstown-hdb-flats-at-120000-per-unit


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According to business weekly, the Edge, Sim Lian Construction Co. has been awarded a contract worth $99.8 million by the Housing & Development Board for the building works at Queenstown Redevelopment Contract 30 with a total of 774 dwelling units.
The contract is scheduled to start in March 2010 and be completed by February 2013.
This amounts to a construction cost of $129,180 per unit. The land cost, as for previous projects is unknown as HDB has never revealed the exact breakdown costs of HDB flats.
The land is owned by Singapore Land Authority, a government-linked company.
As the project is situated in the prime district of Queenstown, the flats are likely to fetch more than $300,000 per unit when completed.
The prices of HDB flats have sky-rocketed in recent years by more than 30 per cent while the median wages of ordinary Singaporeans remain stagnant.
Though HDB has insisted that public housing is “heavily subsidized” in Singapore, there is a pervasive perception among Singaporeans that it is making a huge “profit” at their expense.
When HDB released that it has “lost” more than SGD$2 billion dollars last year “subsidizing” Singaporeans in new flats, few buy its story.
In this case, the exact cost price of each flat is likely to be less than $129,180 since Sim Lian Construction Co. is a private limited company and it will not bid for the project if it is not going to make a profit from it.
Despite rising frustration, anger and resentment on the ground at the sky-rocketing HDB prices, National Minister Mah Bow Tan continues to insist that public housing remains “affordable” to ordinary Singaporeans.
While he admitted that he has been “caught off guard” by the increasing prices of resale flats, he promised to “monitor the situation” closely to “address concerns” that prices may be spiraling out of control.
By the time Mr Mah realized the severity of the problem, HDB flats may well be priced beyond the reach of Singaporeans. Perhaps he will have to adjust to “afffordability benchmark” to above 30 per cent so that HDB can continue selling them at exorbitant prices.
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TT Durai for over 25 years claimed that NKF was helping thousands of patient only to find out that less than 10 cents in every dollar donated went to patients care. Despite many complaints in and outside parliament, nothing was done with the last attempt in a parliament parried off by then Minister of Health, Lim Hng Kiang stating his confidence over Durai and NKF. If Durai had not sued Government controllled SPF, no will be the wiser.

No matter how you cut and slicethis, the prices are ridiculous. The same bullshit was applied to NUS student receiving substantial subsidies until a foreign website revealed that if subsidised were counted, NUS education was the world's most expensive and much more than Harvard, Oxbridge etc.

One day, the true story will emerge.
 
The price that Sim Lian bidded for is fair market value and IS the price to construct this project. In fact in the past, contractors have underbid and went out of business. Fair market value is often determined by a public closed bid process.

Many new contractor try and get into the game (building HDBs) by underbidding - lose a bit of money here but hopefully have resume to bid for other governement projects down the road.

Now if cost is $127K then the rest is the cost of land or profits or subsidies - depending of how you look at it. another way to look at it is $$ into coffers.
 
The price that Sim Lian bidded for is fair market value and IS the price to construct this project. In fact in the past, contractors have underbid and went out of business. Fair market value is often determined by a public closed bid process.

Many new contractor try and get into the game (building HDBs) by underbidding - lose a bit of money here but hopefully have resume to bid for other governement projects down the road.

Now if cost is $127K then the rest is the cost of land or profits or subsidies - depending of how you look at it. another way to look at it is $$ into coffers.

You go bust or not credit worthy before the next project .
 
Rising prices in resale means people can afford to bid upwards. Nothing to do with MBT or HDB or MND. They never force people to buy at this price or sell at that price. It's a resale market. The question is on new HDB flats for first-timers. The so-called market subsidy means tagging new flat prices to market resale prices, not contruction costs. In a rising resale market, new HDB flats for first-timers even after ("market") subsidy also rise in tandem, making it very expensive relatively to general income level, but very profitable for the treasury. The problem is further aggravated by lack (or control of) release of new flats. The control in numbers of new releases is also a tool to maintain resale market price. Not enough new flats, surely resale flat prices can't go down, and therefore however subsidised new flats also become more expensive regardless of construction costs. Simple economics, but very profitable for a government of a land-scarce country like Singapore.
 
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Rising prices in resale means people can afford to bid upwards. Nothing to do with MBT or HDB or MND. They never force people to buy at this price or sell at that price. It's a resale market. The question is on new HDB flats for first-timers. The so-called market subsidy means tagging new flat prices to market resale prices, not contruction costs.

So if it's only in the resale market. That you have hair raising prices .

Why control at all if it's market forces ?
 
Exactly. No need control. People want to pay half a million for a flat, let them.

You want to buy a flat, but another bidder willing to pay higher, blame who?

Same thing if you own a flat and offer for sale; you'd sell to the highest bidder.

When people run out of money to bid, then the prices will fall. Simple econs.

But if people don't run out of money to bid, it means econ doing very well.

The political question is on "market subsidy" or "cost subsidy".

Many who argue about this politically still couldn't figure out the difference.
 
Sim lian profits = unknown
SLA profits = unknown
HDB profits = $380,000 (average 4 rooms) - $129180 = $250,820

total profits = 250820 * 774 = $194,134,680

how did HDB hake a loss of 2 billions?
 
I have always said that HDB flats are a big rip off and gov't scam. Suckers buy them. In fact, its not even a purchase, its a rent as u are considered a tenant. Better to rent, or buy in JB, at least u still get to keep your CPF.
 
Shame on peasants exposing vile Marboro's schemes to enrich the Housing Mafia and generate income for the regime's Ho Jinx to indulge in more silly speculative games! Shame shame shame!
 
I have always said that HDB flats are a big rip off and gov't scam. Suckers buy them. In fact, its not even a purchase, its a rent as u are considered a tenant. Better to rent, or buy in JB, at least u still get to keep your CPF.

HDB did start out as public housing, with housing citizens in mind first and foremost. Those were the times when no Singaporean worry about where to stay (just like those days when no Singaporean worry about KK to give birth or SGH when sick or injured). Somewhere down the line, it became a property GLC, and a monopoly that sets Microsoft dreaming at that. As it's funded by government through taxpayers' money, it just obligingly but grudgingly give a "market subsidy" to buyers. That's all. Just like somewhere down the line, KK, SGH, TTSH etc. become medical GLC.
 
I agree with you totally. Most Singaporean who own flats WHAT prices to remain strong. Who wants a depreciating asset.

But problem is for the newcomers who find the entry point too expensive.


Exactly. No need control. People want to pay half a million for a flat, let them.

You want to buy a flat, but another bidder willing to pay higher, blame who?

Same thing if you own a flat and offer for sale; you'd sell to the highest bidder.

When people run out of money to bid, then the prices will fall. Simple econs.

But if people don't run out of money to bid, it means econ doing very well.

The political question is on "market subsidy" or "cost subsidy".

Many who argue about this politically still couldn't figure out the difference.
 
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