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As long as the right sort of people are killed, it doesn't matter what sort of method was used to exterminate them.
 
Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report

Nearly half the rebel fighters in Syria are now aligned to jihadist or hardline Islamist groups according to a new analysis of factions in the country's civil war.

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Opposition forces have fragmented into as many as 1,000 bands Photo: Rex Features


By Ben Farmer, Defence Correspondent, and Ruth Sherlock in Beirut

7:17PM BST 15 Sep 2013


Opposition forces battling Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria now number around 100,000 fighters, but after more than two years of fighting they are fragmented into as many as 1,000 bands.

The new study by IHS Jane's, a defence consultancy, estimates there are around 10,000 jihadists - who would include foreign fighters - fighting for powerful factions linked to al-Qaeda..

Another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists who share much of the outlook of the jihadists, but are focused purely on the Syrian war rather than a wider international struggle.

There are also at least a further 30,000 moderates belonging to groups that have an Islamic character, meaning only a small minority of the rebels are linked to secular or purely nationalist groups.

The stark assessment, to be published later this week, accords with the view of Western diplomats estimate that less than one third of the opposition forces are "palatable" to Britain, while American envoys put the figure even lower.

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Fears that the rebellion against the Assad regime is being increasingly dominated by extremists has fuelled concerns in the West over supplying weaponry that will fall into hostile hands. These fears contributed to unease in the US and elsewhere over military intervention in Syria.

Charles Lister, author of the analysis, said: "The insurgency is now dominated by groups which have at least an Islamist viewpoint on the conflict. The idea that it is mostly secular groups leading the opposition is just not borne out."

The study is based on intelligence estimates and interviews with activists and militants. The lengthy fighting has seen the emergence of hundreds of separate rebel bands, each operating in small pockets of the country, which are usually loyal to larger factions.

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[SUP]Rebels from Jabhat al-Nusra at Taftanaz air base, Idlib, in 2011 (AP)
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Two factions linked to al-Qaeda, Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) - also know as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (ISIS) - have come to dominate among the more extremist fighters, Mr Lister said. Their influence has risen significantly in the past year.

"Because of the Islamist make up of such a large proportion of the opposition, the fear is that if the West doesn't play its cards right, it will end up pushing these people away from the people we are backing," he said. "If the West looks as though it is not interested in removing Assad, moderate Islamists are also likely to be pushed further towards extremists."

Though still a minority in number, ISIL has become more prominent in rebel-held parts of Syria in recent months. Members in northern Syria have sought to assert their dominance over the local population and over the more moderate rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA).

The aim of moderate rebel fighters is the overthrow of their country's authoritarian dictator,
but jihadist groups want to transform Syria into a hard-line Islamic state within a regional Islamic "caliphate".

These competing visions have caused rancour which last week erupted into fighting between ISIL and two of the larger moderate rebel factions.
A statement posted online by Islamists announced the launch of an ISIL military offensive in the eastern district of Aleppo which it called "Cleansing Evil". "We will target regime collaborators, shabiha [pro-Assad militias], and those who blatantly attacked the Islamic state," it added, naming the Farouq and Nasr factions.

Al-Qaeda has assassinated several FSA rebel commanders in northern Latakia province in recent weeks, and locals say they fear this is part of a jihadist campaign to gain complete control of the territory.

As well as being better armed and tougher fighters, ISIL and Jabhat al-Nusra have taken control of much of the income-generating resources in the north of the country, including oil, gas and grain.

This has given them significant economic clout, allowing them to "win hearts and minds" by providing food for the local population in a way that other rebel groups cannot.

ISIS has also begun a programme of "indoctrination" of civilians in rebel-held areas,
trying to educate Syria's traditionally moderate Sunni Muslims into a more hard-line interpretation of Islam.

In early September, the group distributed black backpacks with the words "Islamic State of Iraq" stamped on them. They also now control schools in Aleppo where
young boys are reportedly taught to sing jihadist anthems.

"It seems it is some sort of a long-term plan to brainwash the children and recruit potential fighters," said Elie Wehbe, a Lebanese journalists who is conducting research into these activities.



 
The rebels can't win.....but killing children and women is too much.
 
The history is written by the winners not the losers. History and truth are 2 different things. Let's see who wins.
 
It's confirmed. Sarin gas was used and in large quantities.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-report-photo-shows-confirmation-sarin-syria-133807779.html

This is the pdf REPORT...

http://l.yimg.com/dh/ap/default/130916/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

If you ask me, it looks like Assad regime did it. If that is the case, I'm pretty disappointed with Putin.

Anyway......read it yourself...

Hey I'm surprised you did not say its a Jewish conspiracy to topple Assad.
 
As long as the right sort of people are killed, it doesn't matter what sort of method was used to exterminate them.

You mean that using Agent Orange in 'Nam" is correct, to exterminate the right sort of people, otherwise known at the "Vietcongs"?? or Vietnamese today?? hmmm The effect of Agent Orange is still being felt..some 40 plus years later..so you wonder, the food you eat from Vietnam are they safe...

It is ok for the Americans to cross the red line...right?
 
we jus nid USA to stop stirring shit n the world is a better place already
 
It's confirmed. Sarin gas was used and in large quantities.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-report-photo-shows-confirmation-sarin-syria-133807779.html

This is the pdf REPORT...

http://l.yimg.com/dh/ap/default/130916/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

If you ask me, it looks like Assad regime did it. If that is the case, I'm pretty disappointed with Putin.

Anyway......read it yourself...


The report is inconclusive as to who is the culprit but it illogical for the Assad regime to use it on the day when the UN chemical weapon inspectors are due to arrive. Also the gov forces are gaining the upperhand and I see no reason why should they used such desperate measures?
 
the UN should not interfere in the civil war. it is the right of the people of Syria to settle their differences and to choose their government on the battlefields.
 
US is the culprit, creating mess all over the place, after Vietnam war, they turn their attentions Central and south America
( they already involve in the 60's), when that is over the middle east new play ground, winding down now they are focusing on China and South East Asia.
US just love to go around creating hell holes.


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1960 Guatemalan officers attempt to overthrow the regime of Presidente Fuentes; Eisenhower stations warships and 2000 Marines offshore while Fuentes puts down the revolt. [Another source says that the U.S. provided air support for Fuentes.] 1960s U.S. Green Berets train Guatemalan army in counterinsurgency techniques. Guatemalan efforts against its insurgents include aerial bombing, scorched-earth assaults on towns suspected of aiding the rebels, and death squads, which killed 20,000 people between 1966 and 1976. U.S. Army Col. John Webber claims that it was at his instigation that "the technique of counter-terror had been implemented by the army."
"If it is necessary to turn the country into a cemetary in order to pacify it, I will not hesitate to do so." --President Carlos Arana Osorio
1961 U.S. organizes force of 1400 anti-Castro Cubans, ships it to the Bahía de los Cochinos. Castro's army routs it. 1961 CIA-backed coup overthrows elected Pres. J. M. Velasco Ibarra of Ecuador, who has been too friendly with Cuba. 1962 CIA engages in campaign in Brazil to keep João Goulart from achieving control of Congress. 1963 CIA-backed coup overthrows elected social democrat Juan Bosch in the Dominican Republic. 1963 A far-right-wing coup in Guatemala, apparently U.S.-supported, forestalls elections in which "extreme leftist" Juan José Arévalo was favored to win.
"It is difficult to develop stable and democratic government [in Guatemala], because so many of the nation's Indians are illiterate and superstitious." --School textbook, 1964
1964 João Goulart of Brazil proposes agrarian reform, nationalization of oil. Ousted by U.S.-supported military coup. ! 1964 The free market in Nicaragua:
The Somoza family controls "about one-tenth of the cultivable land in Nicaragua, and just about everything else worth owning, the country's only airline, one television station, a newspaper, a cement plant, textile mill, several sugar refineries, half-a-dozen breweries and distilleries, and a Mercedes-Benz agency." --Life World Library
1965 A coup in the Dominican Republic attempts to restore Bosch's government. The U.S. invades and occupies the country to stop this "Communist rebellion," with the help of the dictators of Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras, and Nicaragua.
"Representative democracy cannot work in a country such as the Dominican Republic," Bosch declares later. Now why would he say that?
1966 U.S. sends arms, advisors, and Green Berets to Guatemala to implement a counterinsurgency campaign.
"To eliminate a few hundred guerrillas, the government killed perhaps 10,000 Guatemalan peasants." --State Dept. report on the program
1967 A team of Green Berets is sent to Bolivia to help find and assassinate Che Guevara. 1968 Gen. José Alberto Medrano, who is on the payroll of the CIA, organizes the ORDEN paramilitary force, considered the precursor of El Salvador's death squads. ! 1970 In this year (just as an example), U.S. investments in Latin America earn $1.3 billion; while new investments total $302 million. 1970 Salvador Allende Gossens elected in Chile. Suspends foreign loans, nationalizes foreign companies. For the phone system, pays ITT the company's minimized valuation for tax purposes. The CIA provides covert financial support for Allende's opponents, both during and after his election. 1972 U.S. stands by as military suspends an election in El Salvador in which centrist José Napoleón Duarte was favored to win. (Compare with the emphasis placed on the 1982 elections.) 1973 U.S.-supported military coup kills Allende and brings Augusto Pinochet Ugarte to power. Pinochet imprisons well over a hundred thousand Chileans (torture and rape are the usual methods of interrogation), terminates civil liberties, abolishes unions, extends the work week to 48 hours, and reverses Allende's land reforms. 1973 Military takes power in Uruguay, supported by U.S. The subsequent repression reportedly features the world's highest percentage of the population imprisoned for political reasons. 1974 Office of Public Safety is abolished when it is revealed that police are being taught torture techniques. ! 1976 Election of Jimmy Carter leads to a new emphasis on human rights in Central America. Carter cuts off aid to the Guatemalan military (or tries to; some slips through) and reduces aid to El Salvador. ! 1979 Ratification of the Panama Canal treaty which is to return the Canal to Panama by 1999.
"Once again, Uncle Sam put his tail between his legs and crept away rather than face trouble." --Ronald Reagan
1980 A right-wing junta takes over in El Salvador. U.S. begins massively supporting El Salvador, assisting the military in its fight against FMLN guerrillas. Death squads proliferate; Archbishop Romero is assassinated by right-wing terrorists; 35,000 civilians are killed in 1978-81. The rape and murder of four U.S. churchwomen results in the suspension of U.S. military aid for one month.
The U.S. demands that the junta undertake land reform. Within 3 years, however, the reform program is halted by the oligarchy.
"The Soviet Union underlies all the unrest that is going on." --Ronald Reagan
1980 U.S., seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua, tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections. The U.S. starts pouring in $100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory.
Death squads are also active in Honduras, and the contras tend to act as a state within a state. 1981 The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua, who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them. 46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen. The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua. 1981 Gen. Torrijos of Panama is killed in a plane crash. There is a suspicion of CIA involvement, due to Torrijos' nationalism and friendly relations with Cuba. 1982 A coup brings Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt to power in Guatemala, and gives the Reagan administration the opportunity to increase military aid. Ríos Montt's evangelical beliefs do not prevent him from accelerating the counterinsurgency campaign. 1983 Another coup in Guatemala replaces Ríos Montt. The new President, Oscar Mejía Víctores, was trained by the U.S. and seems to have cleared his coup beforehand with U.S. authorities. 1983 U.S. troops take over tiny Granada. Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader. One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use. Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism. 1983 Boland Amendment prohibits CIA and Defense Dept. from spending money to overthrow the government of Nicaragua-- a law the Reagan administration cheerfully violates. 1984 CIA mines three Nicaraguan harbors. Nicaragua takes this action to the World Court, which brings an $18 billion judgment against the U.S. The U.S. refuses to recognize the Court's jurisdiction in the case. 1984 U.S. spends $10 million to orchestrate elections in El Salvador-- something of a farce, since left-wing parties are under heavy repression, and the military has already declared that it will not answer to the elected president. 1989 U.S. invades Panama to dislodge CIA boy gone wrong Manuel Noriega, an event which marks the evolution of the U.S.'s favorite excuse from Communism to drugs. 1996 The U.S. battles global Communism by extending most-favored-nation trading status for China, and tightening the trade embargo on Castro's Cuba.
 
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If you ask me, it looks like Assad regime did it. If that is the case, I'm pretty disappointed with Putin.

Anyway......read it yourself...

How did you conclude that it is the Syrian gov't that did it?

If you ask me, I'd opine that those who want war are the ones who are behind it, most likely some US chemical manufacturer with shadows working in the CIA are the culprits. Why would Assad use chemicals on his own subjects? Why would any gov't use such methods on their own people?

Cheers!
 
How did you conclude that it is the Syrian gov't that did it?

If you ask me, I'd opine that those who want war are the ones who are behind it, most likely some US chemical manufacturer with shadows working in the CIA are the culprits. Why would Assad use chemicals on his own subjects? Why would any gov't use such methods on their own people?

Cheers!


why wouldn't Assad use chemicals on his people ? to win the war and retain power is crucial. life and death struggle for Assad and company. the people can go to hell. likewise if the rebels have chemicals, they could probably use it too to force their way to Assad.
 
The only way to get him ousted is a major military strike by a big power like the USA. And if it is shown that they used such weapons, it justifies the US going in like they did in Iraq (WMD was the excuse, or lies as we now know).. There are only two groups that come to mind who want to replace Assad, some rebel leader who wants the throne, or USA, to replace Assad with a pro-US gov't.

Russia is good friends with Assad, and Assad himself inherited his throne. These two would not want any changes in the status-quo. Assad wouldn't use such weapons on this own subjects, let along children. Would LHL use chemical weapons on Singaporeans if they revolted? No, he'd just pack his bags and zip of to Oz or UK, he's well-off enough, and so is Assad.

Cheers!

why wouldn't Assad use chemicals on his people ? to win the war and retain power is crucial. life and death struggle for Assad and company. the people can go to hell. likewise if the rebels have chemicals, they could probably use it too to force their way to Assad.
 
i hope assad wins, it helps the world rid of many terrorists.
 
The only way to get him ousted is a major military strike by a big power like the USA. And if it is shown that they used such weapons, it justifies the US going in like they did in Iraq (WMD was the excuse, or lies as we now know).. There are only two groups that come to mind who want to replace Assad, some rebel leader who wants the throne, or USA, to replace Assad with a pro-US gov't.

Russia is good friends with Assad, and Assad himself inherited his throne. These two would not want any changes in the status-quo. Assad wouldn't use such weapons on this own subjects, let along children. Would LHL use chemical weapons on Singaporeans if they revolted? No, he'd just pack his bags and zip of to Oz or UK, he's well-off enough, and so is Assad.

Cheers!


for Syria. a civil war is fought, large numbers of people died and the rebels want to take over power by force of arms. for Assad and the rebels. it is a case of you die or i die : a deathmatch. my point is Assad would use the chemicals if circumstances permit it necessary because it is a deathmatch. LHL would never use any chemicals to retain power. LHL and associates are not involved in a life and death power struggle battle in Singapore. if they lost the election, they can retire from politics and leave the country peacefully unlike Assad and associates who faced death if they lost the war.
 
How did you conclude that it is the Syrian gov't that did it?

If you ask me, I'd opine that those who want war are the ones who are behind it, most likely some US chemical manufacturer with shadows working in the CIA are the culprits. Why would Assad use chemicals on his own subjects? Why would any gov't use such methods on their own people?

Cheers!

Which government uses almost 'half' the police force to apprehend, a few unarmed, peaceful protestors outside CPF building...if this was 10,000 violent protestors..would they be that KIND?? you ask which government use such methods on their own people.!?
 
You can believe what you wish to, for me, until there is proof that Assad used chemical weapons, I stick to my belief that Assad is not responsible for using chemical weapons especially against children and that this act was committed by some party who wishes to push for US entry into the game. If Assad wanted his enemies dead, he'd send assassin to kill them, and children do not pose a threat to him.

Cheers!

for Syria. a civil war is fought, large numbers of people died and the rebels want to take over power by force of arms. for Assad and the rebels. it is a case of you die or i die : a deathmatch. my point is Assad would use the chemicals if circumstances permit it necessary because it is a deathmatch. LHL would never use any chemicals to retain power. LHL and associates are not involved in a life and death power struggle battle in Singapore. if they lost the election, they can retire from politics and leave the country peacefully unlike Assad and associates who faced death if they lost the war.
 
The same gahmen that "Nips it at the bud." Don't play play.

Cheers!

Which government uses almost 'half' the police force to apprehend, a few unarmed, peaceful protestors outside CPF building...if this was 10,000 violent protestors..would they be that KIND?? you ask which government use such methods on their own people.!?
 
You can believe what you wish to, for me, until there is proof that Assad used chemical weapons, I stick to my belief that Assad is not responsible for using chemical weapons especially against children and that this act was committed by some party who wishes to push for US entry into the game. If Assad wanted his enemies dead, he'd send assassin to kill them, and children do not pose a threat to him.

Cheers!

Those guys only believe wat is written in the press. Iraq case with regards to WMD one many evil examples. And we know who control the intl press. We have learnt fm the past. When USA and her cornies target certain ME country, she will come out with lots of "reasons" juz to justify any invasion or pre-emptive strikes!
 
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