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Re-confirmed F-15 is a flying piece of junk

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http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/fighter-jets-fuel-tank-falls-to-ground-139358

Fighter jet's fuel tank falls to ground

Indo-Asian News Service, Updated: October 07, 2011 15:13 IST
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Tokyo: A fuel tank of a Japanese fighter fell to the ground just before it finished a training flight and landed at its base, authorities said.

The empty fuel tank of the F-15 fighter of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force fell near the Komatsu base in Ishikawa prefecture on Friday morning just before the plane finished its training flight and landed, reported Xinhua.

There has been no report of injuries or damage to property on the ground.

The fuel tank, which weighs 155 kg, fell at around 8.45 a.m., said Kyodo news citing officials.

Parts of the fuel tank were scattered over some 10 locations, said firefighters.

The fuel tank that fell to the ground had been slung under the aircraft's left wing.


http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110927p2g00m0dm009000c.html

FOCUS: Europeans trying to beat U.S. for Japan's lucrative fighter contract

LONDON (Kyodo) -- Over the next few months, a consortium of European manufacturers is hoping to persuade the Japanese government to place a multibillion dollar order for the Eurofighter Typhoon as the country's next mainstay fighter aircraft.

But also in the running are the F-35 Lightning II fighter, or Joint Strike Fighter, whose development is led by U.S. aircraft maker Lockheed Martin Corp., and the F/A-18 Super Hornet designed by McDonnell Douglas, part of Boeing Co. of the Untied States.

Reports from Japan suggest that the stealthy F-35 is the front-runner but there are concerns over the cost and whether the fighters -- which will replace the aging F-4 Phantoms and F-15 Eagles -- can be manufactured by 2017.

These doubts have worked to the advantage of the European consortium which is pushing the Eurofighter -- whose costs and performance are known -- as the ideal next-generation fighter for Japan.

The Europeans, however, will have to work hard before a final decision is made at the end of the year.

This is because the traditionally strong alliance between Tokyo and Washington has meant that Japan has nearly always purchased its military hardware from the United States.

But that relationship was somewhat strained when the United States decided in 2007 to continue a ban on exporting the highly agile and stealthy F-22 Raptor to Japan, to prevent military secrets being leaked.

Tony Ennis, president of the Northeast Asia region for BAE Systems PLC, one of the European makers in the consortium, believes the Eurofighter is the best air defense fighter on offer -- ideal for intercepting aircraft from other countries which are making regular incursions into Japanese airspace.

In an interview with Kyodo News at a recent defense fair in London, Ennis said, "Without a shadow of a doubt, the aeroplane which has the capabilities closest to the F-22 is the Eurofighter Typhoon."

"It is the fastest aeroplane available, it can engage at the highest altitudes -- somewhat like the F-22 -- and is the most capable air defense fighter available on the market today," he said.

He admitted the F-35 is "optimized" for strike capabilities but both aircraft have air defense and strike roles.

Ennis believes the best solution for Japan is to buy the Eurofighter for its immediate air defense needs and, later on, purchase the F-35 when the program is tried and tested to replace the F-2s.

He said the F/A-18 will be cheaper but is not as technologically advanced as the Eurofighter.

A big selling point for the Eurofighter is that London-based BAE Systems will allow the aircraft to be manufactured in Japan. Tokyo will also be able to have its own weapons systems on the fighters and it is interoperable with U.S. forces.

The bids have now been submitted and all three contenders will be on tenterhooks waiting for the result over the next couple of months.

Ennis said that while the U.S.-Japan relationship is important, "We live in hope that Japan is actually going to make a decision based on capabilities and requirements, and not on politics."

John Hemmings, a research analyst at the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies in London, said, "The chances of the BAE Systems' bid winning are around 50 percent."

"Japanese and U.S. officials in the know have assured me that this is one of the most realistic bids made by a non-American defense contractor in Japan's fighter industry ever."

Hemmings said that the F-35 is suffering from price, production and technical drawbacks but it is favored by Japan's Air Self-Defense Force.

He added the U.S.-Japan alliance remains an important factor in the deal, noting the perception in Tokyo that sometimes European governments downplay the threat from China.

Craig Caffrey, IHS Jane's aviation analyst, says decision-makers will take many factors into account and therefore it is difficult to predict the winner.

"The Lockheed Martin platform certainly holds a number of potential advantages over its competitors...but the Eurofighter's credentials as a true air superiority fighter perhaps make the aircraft the most natural fit with the ASDF's doctrine," Caffrey writes on his company's website.

"The Super Hornet...offers the lowest-cost, lowest-risk solution for a program that appears to be looking for an interim solution," he states.

BAE Systems is a major design and production partner in the Eurofighter consortium which also includes the German-French EADS NV and Italy's Finmeccanica SpA.

The Eurofighter, which made its maiden flight in 1994, is currently in service with Germany, Italy, Spain, Britain, Austria and Saudi Arabia.

(Mainichi Japan) September 27, 2011
 
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=734941&publicationSubCategoryId=200

Fuel tank of F-15 fighter falls to ground, no injuries reported
(philstar.com) Updated October 07, 2011 12:20 PM Comments (0) View comments


TOKYO (Xinhua) -- An empty fuel tank of an F-15 fighter of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force (ASDF) fell to the ground near the Force's Komatsu base in Ishikawa Prefecture on Friday morning just before the plane finished a training flight and landed at the base, authorities said.

So far there has been no injury report, according to the local media.

The fuel tank, which measures 6.6 meters long, 0.8 meter in diameter and 155 kilograms in weight, fell at around 8:45 a.m. at a place some 4 kilometers north-northeast of the Komatsu base, according to the local kyodo news citing officials.

Parts of the fuel tank were scattered over some 10 locations, such as the roof of a sewage facility and empty lots, in the city of Nomi, near Komatsu, according to firefighters.

The fuel tank that fell to the ground had been placed under the aircraft's left wing. Authorities are investigating the cause of the accident.


http://hk.news.yahoo.com/日f-15副油箱掉落全面停飛-084900887.html

日F-15副油箱掉落全面停飛
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日本航空自衛隊的一架F-15戰機,今天在結束訓練後返航時,一個副油箱及空對空訓練彈的尾翼掉落。

航空自衛隊說,已決定除了執行緊急升空任務之外的所有F-15戰機都停飛,直到查明事故原因為止。

這架在石川縣小松基地的F-15戰機,是在當地時間上午8點45分左右,完成訓練返航準備降落時發生此事故。掉落地點在基地東北偏北約4公里處,目前已在多個地點發現戰機副油箱及訓練彈的殘片。

F-15可外掛3個副油箱,掉落的是左翼副油箱。油箱長6.6公尺,直徑0.8公尺,重155公斤,當時沒有填裝燃料。據報,副油箱墜地前已經破裂。
 
just hope one of our F15's fuel tank (fully loaded) will land on LKY's house during Reunion Dinner......................


end of the Lee Clan.......................
 
i hope F-15 singapore is better built, imagine if it fall in hdb estate

Japan grounds jet fighter fleet

F-15 fighter similar to the ones grounded by Japan's Air Self Defence Force
Japan has grounded more than 200 F-15 jet fighters after a fuel tank fell off one of the war planes during a training mission.

Flames were seen under the wing and fallen parts were scattered at sites near the western city of Komatsu.

No-one was injured in the incident and the plane landed safely.

It is the second time in three months that officials have suspended F-15 flights.

The 155-kg (340lb) tank, which was empty, and parts of a dummy missile came free and fell from the plane as it was nearing a field for landing. The debris fell on 10 locations, including a sewage plant, officials said.

"We take this accident very seriously," Gen. Shigeru Iwasaki, the head of Japan's air forces, said at a news conference on Friday. He said the cause was under investigation.

In July, the fleet was grounded after a plane crashed into the East China Sea. The pilot, though presumed dead, is still listed as missing and no cause of the accident has been declared.

Japan Air Self-Defence Force officials said that all missions except emergency scrambles were suspended and will last until the safety of Japan's 202 F-15 fighters has been confirmed.

The latest incident comes as Tokyo is seeking to replace its aging fighter jets. It is considering both US-designed aircraft and the Eurofighter Typhoon in a deal expected by the end of the year and worth more than $8bn.

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Re: i hope F-15 singapore is better built, imagine if it fall in hdb estate

singapore safe, our fuel tank built in US of A, while the problem fuel tank built in japan - from 1981, singapore parts are new, dun have to cover your head when jet flying above you.


Fallen F-15 fuel tank may have broken apart in flight: ASDF


A F-15 fighter jet part that fell in flight is pictured in Nomi, Ishikawa Prefecture. (Photo courtesy of Komatsu Air Base)
A fuel tank that fell from a Japan Air Self-Defense Force (ASDF) F-15 fighter may have broken apart in flight, with parts of the tank, including where it attached to the plane, still remaining on the fighter, ASDF sources said.

On Oct. 7, parts of a fuel tank and dummy missile from an F-15 fighter fell on areas near the ASDF's Komatsu Air Base. No injuries were reported. The ASDF has set up a commission to investigate the incident, and a group of 15 officers have been dispatched to the area. It is believed the tank may have ruptured after being exposed to pressure of some sort.

According to the ASDF, the tank was made in 1981 by a Japanese firm. The tank fell as the fighter was approaching Komatsu Air Base to land after drills. The plane was around 500 meters above the ground at the time, in the midst of a right turn.

The pilot reported hearing an explosion and seeing flames in the rear-view mirror. A traffic controller at the base also claims to have noticed fire coming from the plane just before the tank fell. Although the tank was designed so that it could be intentionally separated from the plane with an explosive charge, this charge was not used.

Fins from a dummy missile on the plane and other debris were later found at locations in and around a waste water treatment facility in the city of Nomi. One piece of debris was some four meters long, and one piece landed only about 30 meters away from residences and a factory.

The ruptured tank, one of three on the plane, had been fixed under the fighter's left wing. The number of fuel tanks had been increased to allow the aircraft to fly long distances during practice flights ahead of demonstrations at Hyakuri Air Base on Oct. 16. Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa has ordered that F-15 drills be suspended until the cause of the accident is discovered. Furthermore, F-15s will not be allowed to participate in the demonstrations at Hyakuri Air Base.

In June 2004, a fuel tank attached to the wing of a T-4 practice plane from Komatsu Air Base fell into the ocean as the result of a problem with the plane's electrical system.
 
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you got to be joking, comparing amercian pilot with sinkies pilot, and landing in built up area verse desert.

Its not US pilot / Sinkie pilot is an Isreali pilot that landed the damaged 1 wing plane. I believe someone posted it to me in youtube.
 
just hope one of our F15's fuel tank (fully loaded) will land on LKY's house during Reunion Dinner......................


end of the Lee Clan.......................

The clan already think of this. No flying plane/helicopter.... path in that clan resident. Only can hope big satellite out of control fall down from orbit.
 
Are you a first gen FT who never served NS :confused:

Read my post again, who's talking about Americans:confused:

you got to be joking, comparing amercian pilot with sinkies pilot, and landing in built up area verse desert.
 
Its not US pilot / Sinkie pilot is an Isreali pilot that landed the damaged 1 wing plane. I believe someone posted it to me in youtube.

Actually nothing much to do with pilots.

In the 1st place no pilot are trained to fly in condition of missing wing.

It is flight computer fortunately able to cope with the lost balance and compensated with calculation. It is computer the control planes most of the time. Not pilots. There was even a case of plane spinning out of control (not F-15) and pilot ejected. Then plane landed itself later.
 
israel pilot is even better train than amercian

It's ok for a person to want to have the last word because of ego.:rolleyes::)

But do youself a favour and read the quote below and learn something from people with some substance in their skull. ;)


Actually nothing much to do with pilots.

In the 1st place no pilot are trained to fly in condition of missing wing.

It is flight computer fortunately able to cope with the lost balance and compensated with calculation. It is computer the control planes most of the time. Not pilots. There was even a case of plane spinning out of control (not F-15) and pilot ejected. Then plane landed itself later.
 
For F15 case, the pilot wasn't aware that he lost the wing until he landed. And there was a through investigation to learn from the incident. Guess it was not what the designers intended, but it happened and luckily the computer flight control system managed to stabalize the plane.

Where and when did it happen with the said mystery plane in your post below :confused:

Actually nothing much to do with pilots.

In the 1st place no pilot are trained to fly in condition of missing wing.

It is flight computer fortunately able to cope with the lost balance and compensated with calculation. It is computer the control planes most of the time. Not pilots. There was even a case of plane spinning out of control (not F-15) and pilot ejected. Then plane landed itself later.
 
For F15 case, the pilot wasn't aware that he lost the wing until he landed. And there was a through investigation to learn from the incident. Guess it was not what the designers intended, but it happened and luckily the computer flight control system managed to stabalize the plane.

Where and when did it happen with the said mystery plane in your post below :confused:


Those who played with models like these will also know that the on board computer can do it's best efforts to balance itself in case one propeller is lost. In fact there is also auto landing by IR sensors in some models. GPS and camera also.


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http://www.draganfly.com/uav-helicopter/draganflyer-x6/specifications/

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Can you tell us which plane managed to land safely by itself after pilot ejected:confused:
 
Can you tell us which plane managed to land safely by itself after pilot ejected:confused:

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=58128

F-106 auto-landing
Comment: In 1970, while assigned to the 71st FIS at Maelstrom AFB,
Montana, a pilot ejected during an inflight emergency. The pilot somehow
got himself into a flat spin -- considered generally unrecoverable in an
F-106-- and he did what the flight handbook said to do -- get out of it,
i.e., eject.

After the pilot did just that, 58-0787 recovered itself from this "unrecoverable"
situation. In a vain attempt to break the spin, the pilot had lowered half
flaps, rolled in takeoff trim, and throttled the engine back to an approach
power setting.

After the ejection, the aircraft recovered from the spin on its own, and
established a wings level low rate descent under reduced power to the
ground. Ground effect broke its rate of descent, and it settled into a
near-perfect gentle belly landing in a farmer's snow-covered cornfield.

When the local sheriff came upon the scene, the engine was still running.
The aircraft was situated on a slight incline, and was creeping forward
slowly under the thrust of its still-running engine, as the snow compressed
to ice under it.

Concerned about where it might be headed, the sheriff didn't think he
could wait for the recovery team to get there from Malstrom which was
about 50 miles away; so he got himself connected to the aircraft's
squadron for engine shut down instructions before he entered the cockpit
to secure the engine.

The attached photos show pretty much what the sheriff beheld on that
fateful day. A depot team from McClellan AFB recovered the aircraft and it
was eventually returned to service When the 71st FIS was disbanded in
1971, 58-0787, now famously known as the "Cornfield Bomber, was
transferred to the 49th FIS, where it finished out its operational service
life.

Pilots of the 49th FIS would occasionally run into ex-71st FIS guys at
William Tell and rag them unmercifully about the "emergency" so dire that
the plane landed itself. 58-0787 is now on permanent display in its 49th
FIS markings at the USAF Museum at Wright Patterson AFB, where its
story is told in the exhibit. While the the 49th FIS Eagle jocks are reportedly
glad to see their squadron immortalized in this way for millions to see, they
would prefer to see it made more clear that it was the 71st, and not one of
theirs, who jumped out of this perfectly good aircraft.

CCB snopes website masked the 3 images of that landed flight. Pse click the URL above to view.
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There are more than one of these cases I believe. Flight instructors had told these to trainees. I can not exactly remember all the plane models.
 
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