Raffles Reunion - Interesting

[kingrant]

Some time back, I shared the generational cohort analysis. The P65 is a good cut off point for those whom PAP policies have failed. Extrapolating forward, this would be everyone 48 and younger. The fact that PAP opposition is strongest in the East is not a fluke but a connsequence of urban development policies of when the East part of Singapore was developed.

I would include also the cohort from 66. Many of them have filled the top ranks of civil service, people like Tan Chin Nam (who was a PS in many Minsitries), Jeffrey chan...

 

[yellowarse]

Rafflesians mostly voted for PAP one lah ..... all tow the party line and dare not rock the boat. They are all so proud that Goh Chok Tong and LKY were alumni.

You sure?

Notable Rafflesians in the opposition camp, past and present:

Tan Jee Say
Tan Kin Lian
Ang Yong Guan
Wong Wee Nam
Michelle Lee
Leong Sze Hian
Paul Tambyah
Lim Hock Siew
David Marshall
Tan Jing Quee
Poh Soo Kai, etc. etc.

 

[Force 136]

View towards the tuckshop.....

View of RI (left...where the air rifle range would be built later) Raffes Hotel at right..

 

[Charlie99]

Aurvandil, you must be mathematically and satistically correct .I like the way you make the calculations in the GAMING SECTION. I believe the P65 cut off point was derived from your own experience with those cohorts prior to
P65. Do you belong to the P65 or earlier cohort? Are you a Rafflesian yourself ?

I believe the RI Boys from the Bras Basah Road were the pioneers and the ones responsible for building this wonderful and this awesomely modern Singapore.You find them everywhere holding top posts in every field.

Those from the Grange Road were okay and those from the Bishan Camp were so so. But those Bras Basah Road rascals made the difference!

What a compliment?
Bras Basah Rascals!
What about those who spent half their time as Bras Basah Rascals?
And may be became worse at Grange Road.

 

[laksaboy]

More PAP politicians graduated from ACS than any other school.

You'll find more Raffles alumni people in law and medicine.

 

[aurvandil]

To clarify, P65 or Post 65 includes all those born after 1965. 1965 is critical not because it is the year Singapore gained independence. 1965 is critical because those born in 1965 would have been 25 in 1990 and therefore joined the workforce. This cohort would have gone through everything from the Asian Financial Crisis to SARS. In today's terms, they would 48 years old or younger. Other than the woes mentioned by scroo, many would have children suffering under the current PAP policies.

I would include also the cohort from 66. Many of them have filled the top ranks of civil service, people like Tan Chin Nam (who was a PS in many Minsitries), Jeffrey chan...

 

[kopiuncle]

hahaha those ri boys were rascals from the bras basah road secondary school ?

i think many of them are not powerful and influential people.

those who dropped out became coolies and taxi drivers. but some became great businessmen in their own ways.

whatever, they were very smart people...sometimes too smart. one ex-ri old teacher i met told me, those ri boys were simply brilliant.no need to teach them. they were always ahead of the teachers! well done ri boys!!!!

we need you now. can you all contribute and make singapore a better place in the future....we need those rascals from bras basah road or are they all gone liao???

 

[aurvandil]

I am part of the P65 but I am not a Rallesian.

If we do a sub segment of the P65 votes in 2011, you will find that the PAP support level has dropped to below the critical 55% level. With those born before 1965 slowly dying off, there is currently a desperate attempt to counter the hostile P65 demographic by bringing in as many new citizens as possible. This is done by rolling out a whole series of carrots and sticks to get PRs and other foreigners to convert to Singapore citizenship.

To add insult to injury, the PAP is selling the koyok that this is to address the unhappiness many Singaporeans have expressed about the PAP's FT policy !

Do you belong to the P65 or earlier cohort? Are you a Rafflesian yourself ?

 

[yellowarse]

More PAP politicians graduated from ACS than any other school.

Not true if you're talking about por lumpah politicians.

Notable Rafflesian 'politicians':

Yusof Ishak,
1st President of Singapore (1959-70)

Benjamin Sheares,
2nd President of Singapore (1971-81)

Wee Kim Wee,
4th President of Singapore (1985-93)

Lee Kuan Yew,
1st Prime Minister of Singapore (1959-90); Senior Minister (1990-2004); Minister Mentor (2004-11)

Goh Chok Tong,
2nd Prime Minister of Singapore (1990-2004); Senior Minister (2004-11); Emeritus Senior Minister

David Marshall,
1st Chief Minister of Singapore (1955)

Lim Yew Hock (1914 - 1984),
2nd Chief Minister of Singapore (1956-59)

S Jayakumar,
Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore (2004-09); Senior Minister (2009-11)

S Rajaratnam,
Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore (1980-85); Senior Minister (1985-88)

Ahmad Ibrahim,
Minister for Health (1959-60) and Minister for Labour (1961-62)

Ahmad Mattar,
Member of Parliament (1972-96); Minister for the Environment (1985-95); 1st President of Mendaki (1982-89)

Edmund William Barker (1920-2001),
Minister for Law (1964-88), National Development (72-75), Home Affairs (1972), Environment (1975-79), Science and Technology (1977-81) and Labour (1983)

Heng Swee Keat,
Minister for Education

K Shanmugam,
Minister for Foreign Affairs & Minister for Law

Lee Yock Suan,
Minister for Finance (1983-84), Labour (1985-91), Education (1992-97), Trade and Industry (1997-99), Information and the Arts (1999-2001), Environment (1999-2001), Prime Minister's Office (2001-04).

Lim Hng Kiang,
Minister for Trade and Industry

Lim Hwee Hua,
Minister, Prime Minister's Office and Second Minister for Finance and Second Minister for Transport (2004-11); Senior advisor to Kohlberg Kravis Roberts

Othman Wok,
Minister for Social Affairs (1963-77)

Raymond Lim Siang Keat,
Minister, Prime Minister's Office (2005-6) and Transport (2006-11); Member of Parliament

Amy Khor,
Minister of State, Ministry of Health

Chan Chun Sing,
Senior Minister of State, Ministry of Defence; Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports

Heng Chee How,
Senior Minister of State, Prime Minister's Office

Koo Tsai Kee,
Minister of State, Ministry of Defence (2006-11)

Tan Chuan-Jin,
Acting Minister, Ministry of Manpower; Senior Minister of State, Ministry of National Development

Zainul Abidin Rasheed,
Senior Minister of State, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (2006-11)

Abdullah Tarmugi,
Speaker of the House (2002-11); Minister for Community Development (1996-2000), Community Development & Sports (2000-02); Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs (1996-2002)

Christopher de Souza,
Member of Parliament

George Edward Noel Oehlers (1908 - 1968),
First Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Singapore (1955-63); President of Old Rafflesians' Association (1939 - 1948)

Ho Geok Choo, Member of Parliament (2001-11);
Member of RI's Board of Governors
Indranee Rajah,
Member of Parliament

Seah Kian Peng,
Member of Parliament

Tan Cheng Bok,
Member of Parliament (1980-2006)

Tan Eng Liang,
Senior Minister of State (1975-80)

Walter Woon Cheong Ming,
Nominated Member of Parliament (1992-96); Solicitor-General (2007-10); Dean, Singapore Institute of Education; Chairman, Singapore International Law Society; President, Goethe Institute Singapore

Wee Siew Kim,
Member of Parliament

Wong Kwei Cheong,
Member of Parliament (1980-96); Minister of State, Ministry of Labour (1981-3) and Ministry of Trade and Industry (1982-5);

Zaqy Mohamad,
Member of Parliament

Tony Pua Kiam Wee,
Malaysian politician, Member of Parliament for Petaling Jaya Utar

 

[Charlie99]

You have diligently compiled a list.

 

[kopiuncle]

wow,so it's true....many of them are really before the P65 and a few after the P65. thanks Yellowarse for the details...wow!!! how did you do it? anyway, thanks...

were they all bras basah road rascals ? or bookworms ? or nerdy scholars!!! i think abdullah tamugi was a great rugby player. amy khor from ri too?

 

[Charlie99]

Based on my best recollection.

[ probably from RI at Grange Road ]
Heng Swee Keat,
Minister for Education

[ he was born in 1959, same batch as Raymond Lim, spent part of Sec One at RI Bras Basah Road ]
K Shanmugam,
Minister for Foreign Affairs & Minister for Law

[ no idea ]
Lim Hwee Hua,
Minister, Prime Minister's Office and Second Minister for Finance and Second Minister for Transport (2004-11); Senior advisor to Kohlberg Kravis Roberts

[ he was born in 1959, and therefore, spent less a year at RI Bras Basah Road ]
Raymond Lim Siang Keat,
Minister, Prime Minister's Office (2005-6) and Transport (2006-11); Member of Parliament

[ no idea ]
Amy Khor,
Minister of State, Ministry of Health

[ younger than 53 years old, not from RI Bras Basah Road ]
Chan Chun Sing,
Senior Minister of State, Ministry of Defence; Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports

[ probably from RI at Grange Road ]
Heng Chee How,
Senior Minister of State, Prime Minister's Office

[ not from RI Bras Basah Road ]
Tan Chuan-Jin,
Acting Minister, Ministry of Manpower; Senior Minister of State, Ministry of National Development

[ not from RI Bras Basah Road ]
Christopher de Souza,
Member of Parliament

[ no idea ]
Ho Geok Choo, Member of Parliament (2001-11);
Member of RI's Board of Governors

[ She is unlikely to have attended at RI, Bras Basah Road ]
Indranee Rajah,
Member of Parliament

[ I have no idea how old he is ]
Seah Kian Peng,
Member of Parliament

[ I do not know how old he is, but if he is younger than age 53, then he must be from RI at Grange Road ]
Wee Siew Kim,
Member of Parliament

[ He is probably from RI at Bras Basah Road ]
Wong Kwei Cheong,
Member of Parliament (1980-96); Minister of State, Ministry of Labour (1981-3) and Ministry of Trade and Industry (1982-5);

[ I believe that he is younger than 53 years old, and accordingly, he could not have been from RI at Bras Basah Road ]
Zaqy Mohamad,
Member of Parliament

[ I have no idea when he was at RI ]
Tony Pua Kiam Wee,
Malaysian politician, Member of Parliament for Petaling Jaya Utar

 

[johnny333]

whatever, they were very smart people...sometimes too smart. one ex-ri old teacher i met told me, those ri boys were simply brilliant.no need to teach them. they were always ahead of the teachers! well done ri boys!!!!

Although I'm not from Raffles I met many in Canada. Even Rafflessians have voted with their feet.

 

[Fook Seng]

There are so many Rafflesians in politics that you don't have any special excitement when someone gets into power and you have to get around him and support him. If he comes from a school less known to have groomed politicians, that might be the case.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

No one compile the con men list?

Con Hee
Mingyi
TT Durai
Fatty Loo

.....

 

[kingrant]

Like Lim Boon Heng from Montfort?

There are so many Rafflesians in politics that you don't have any special excitement when someone gets into power and you have to get around him and support him. If he comes from a school less known to have groomed politicians, that might be the case.

 

[kopiuncle]

Although I'm not from Raffles I met many in Canada. Even Rafflessians have voted with their feet.

yAH, some had returned as expatriates. but most of them remained overseas......

 

[kingrant]

Ong Leong Boon MP

Ho Tat Kin MP

Michael Liew MP

 

[kopiuncle]

Ong Leong Boon MP

Ho Tat Kin MP

Michael Liew MP

Mr Ho and Mr Liew old boys? I thought they were teachers in RI ? Not too sure about this.... Yes, Dr Ong Leong Boon was quite a famous handsome young man then....a gymnast too!

 

[Charlie258]

Met a Rafflesian who shared the outcome of his class reunion after 2 decades.

In a nutshell he was dismayed to find that a significant number were not employed or underemployed. Some masquerading as engaged in social work, charity, part time work etc. and they had more than a decade to go before the retirement age.

I wonder if the authorities are prepared to undertake research to confirm or dispel this. If they do please do not ask the discredited SPH Research Unit. They will classify failures as social entrepreneurs.

I am sure if the the elite of the country's education system are impacted, i am sure the wider community is not far behind.

Rafflesians: good in the classroom and the exam hall. But lousy in the Outside World, in Real Life. Maybe that's why so many are unemployed!