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Prime Minister's Question Time in London. Enough to make Pinky Loon faint!

Considering that the Green Parties in various incarnations around the world hardly make a dent in any of the political systems they are involved in, much less have a presence that could challenge the ruling party, I am highly skeptical of your argument. The MO of the Green Party is typically protestors and lawsuits, and you don't need parliamentary seats to do that.

During the Cold War era, we see the so called "Westminster model governments" raced ahead while the authoritarian regimes of China and the Soviet Union were left behind. Today the situation has changed, but obviously we can see that there is no correlation between authoritarianism and progress as you try to imply.
 
Considering that the Green Parties in various incarnations around the world hardly make a dent in any of the political systems they are involved in, much less have a presence that could challenge the ruling party, I am highly skeptical of your argument. The MO of the Green Party is typically protestors and lawsuits, and you don't need parliamentary seats to do that.

The Greens held the balance of power in NZ from 2002 to 2008. In order to secure the support of the Green party on confidence and supply, the labour government had to make numerous concessions in environmental policy.

None of my examples are hearsay or from articles written by someone else in a land far away. I have to live with the consequences of an indecisive, compromising govt on a daily basis. Fortunately, for someone my age, it is merely a minor irritant. If I was a young man, I'd be out of here in no time.
 
Hang on. Previously you were saying that a Majority Government will be "gridlocked" if they have a thin majority.

Now you are trying to justify what you said earlier by citing the example of a Minority Government being "gridlocked" by being forced to negotiate with a minor party.

I'm sorry, but in this case it is fairly obvious that B does not imply A.
 
Hang on. Previously you were saying that a Majority Government will be "gridlocked" if they have a thin majority.

The problem is not majority governments. The system breaks down governments need to be cobbled together via deals between the party securing the most votes and the minor parties who can go either way.

There have been instances where a party that secured 3% of the vote wields more influence than one that won 30% of the vote. That's when the democratic system no longer functions as it should.
 
Can you imagine Sylvia Lim, Show Mao or Pritam present well-research reports and doggedly push the god-king of Peasantpore for a response? I certainly cannot. Do you wonder if they will ever do anything to address the root causes?

Show Mao and Pritam well research?? U mean copy the entire article of someone else
 
Do you think China would be where it is today if it followed the Westminster model of governance?

You never know. Although Taiwan is not exactly following a Westminster model, it is definitely a more democratic political system. Take its GDP per cap and multiply by China's population, the resultant economic monster would be a few times the size of the US.
 
There have been instances where a party that secured 3% of the vote wields more influence than one that won 30% of the vote. That's when the democratic system no longer functions as it should.
Whether a party has the support to give it the right to govern entirely according to its own thinking without having to find support from another party depends on the total electoral support it can garner. Don't think a political system that gives it the right to do so when its support is not totally comprehensive is a walk in the park.

If close to 50% is against its policies and if the implementation of these does not bring the desirable results, the disapproving voices will grow in number and it will be thrown out at the next election. The next government also with just a little over 50% support will face the same problem and the cycle repeats itself.

If the population is split more or less in the middle for or against a certain way of doing things, surely the solution is not to force upon the people one extreme outcome or the other but rather to work out a solution that is a compromise satisfying both POV to some degree.

Why wait until the next election to see how the alternative will work out when you can have (provided the system is right) the opposite POV taken into consideration right now instead.

I don't see such a big problem for two parties to work out a compromised solution as often one party could be more supportive of one segment of the electorate while the other could be for another. But both segments of the population constitute the same electorate which both parties are keen to gain its support, so why not do something good for them?

Especially in an environment where there is majority support for a very long time, what is the problem to take into consideration the views of the opposition members in Parliament or if there is no majority party, in a coalition government.

In an environment where support for the parties are so balanced that the seat of government changes hand regularly, there could be attempts to sabotage the ruling party's plan. Whether such a situation actually arises or not is a result of the political environment and not a fault of the political system.

The way out of a situation like this is to have a governing platform based on a set of policies that will even handedly take care of as many people as possible so that you can get a strong, clearcut majority. This way you will get a lot of support for your policies.

As it is, a substantial number of people are left very unhappy.
 
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The problem is not majority governments. The system breaks down governments need to be cobbled together via deals between the party securing the most votes and the minor parties who can go either way.

There have been instances where a party that secured 3% of the vote wields more influence than one that won 30% of the vote. That's when the democratic system no longer functions as it should.

Let's go back at our original posts that started this line of discussion, right here: http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread....-make-Pinky-Loon-faint!&p=1288603#post1288603

There I was pretty much advocating a two-party system where the ruling party has a majority thin enough such that they cannot ignore the wishes of the people without losing the majority in the next election cycle.

Naturally in a de facto two party system like in the US, it is generally not possible for a minority government to happen.
 
Many points have been raised by various posts in this thread. Only have time to reply to one point, will reply to the others when I have time.

Some may be under the misconception that only the Prime Minister is questioned in the UK. The UK Parliament meets in the Chamber EVERY DAY from Monday to Friday. Prime Minister's question time takes place EVERY WEDNESDAY. Friday is reserved for spillover business and is not always used. This busy schedule is only broken when Parliament is in recess, which is only for a few weeks per year - like Christmas, Easter, those kinds of occasions.

The video here is of a Ministerial Statement being made in the House on 30th June 2011 and then the Minister being grilled by his shadow on the Opposition side.

Background (cut-and-paste from website of Central Lobby, a UK website) for better understanding of the video:

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Emergency legislation will be introduced to overcome a legal ruling that has stopped police granting bail to suspects for more than four days without either charging or releasing them. The Police (Detention and Bail) Bill will be formally introduced tomorrow by home secretary Theresa May and MPs will be given the chance to examine the legislation from 6pm this evening. The Bill will be rushed through the Commons on Thursday with the support of Labour. Sir George Young, the leader of the Commons, announced the change to the parliamentary business in a statement this afternoon.

On May 19 a High Court judgment overturned 25 years of established practice where police bail suspects for long periods of time while they are under investigation. The court ruled that time spent on bail contributed towards the maximum 96-hour limit of pre-charge detention.

Shadow leader of the Commons Hilary Benn told said the government had taken "far too long" to respond to the ruling. Last week police minister Nick Herbert said the judgement "upsets a careful balance" and impeded the police in doing their job.

"We must not, cannot and will not ask the police to do their jobs with one hand tied behind their backs," he told MPs.

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Will comment on the other points raised when I have time. In the meantime, enjoy the video and see how our FOURTH WORLD parliament pales in comparison.


[video=youtube;MwS2pm_hNzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwS2pm_hNzs[/video]
 
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i sure like to see LHL facing VW or CSJ in a live debate

Hi there, you Sumiko Tan, the ST editor? Many SBF members believe you are lay? True or not?

Don't care much for propaganda filled ST, but do have a weakness for pretty girls.

Zis Pinky hor, he don't keep his promises one lah, but one promise he sure keep one:

"Right now we have Low Thia Khiang, Chiam See Tong, Steve Chia. We can deal with them. Suppose you had 10, 15, 20 opposition members in Parliament. Instead of spending my time thinking what is the right policy for Singapore, I'm going to spend all my time thinking what's the right way to fix them, to buy my supporters votes, how can I solve this week's problem and forget about next year's challenges?" - says Pinky, the "Great Cable Car Crisis Solver".

MSM say the cable car crisis was solved due to his "leadership" one har, not I say one har. Hahaha ! My toes are laughing.

To hear the words from the horse's mouth, please watch this video:

[video=youtube;a1WhJKsYb50]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1WhJKsYb50[/video]
 
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