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PRC's aircraft carrier going to test sail soon

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2011-04/06/c_121269711.htm

巨舰即将出航 圆70年中国人航母梦

  日前,一些国内的网络军事论坛纷纷登载了在我国大连造船厂改建的“瓦良格”号航空母舰的照片,从图片中,我们可以看到该工程正在进入收尾阶段,该航母的大型舰桥(除主动相控阵雷达系统外)已接近完工。该航母已被涂装成标准的中国海军淡灰蓝色涂装。4月号的加拿大《汉和防务评论》杂志认为,改建后的“瓦良格”号航空母舰将在今年进入海上试航阶段,这将标志着中国拥有航母——这一历史时刻的到来。

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After test and operate. Next PRC will be nuke power . But that will take China 10 year to built.
Experted China to built 2~5 nuke power aircraft carrier in next 20 year. By then the GDP China are bigger than US .
That will be very likely situation.
 

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it is useless to just have one aircraft carrier.
when the USA have on aircraft carrier in operation oversea, another one is in USA base training the next rotation. It takes a long time to train the people to operate it.

it is just going to be one big paper weight.
 

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oh crap china must fail where are all the shitland supporters? Shitland is going to be successful with more beggars and more shitlets.
 

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it is useless to just have one aircraft carrier.
when the USA have on aircraft carrier in operation oversea, another one is in USA base training the next rotation. It takes a long time to train the people to operate it.

it is just going to be one big paper weight.

Unlike what the US likes to think, China's concern is not to take over the world. Not by military force anyway, they will do it via economic means sooner or later like the US. Their only military concern is Taiwan and how to take it back if war really breaks out when another loony like Ah Bian takes over
 

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And suddenly discover its propelor is made of poor metal because of corruption and need 10 yrs in harbor to repair. China cannot.
 

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Just watch and see ! Many before had predicted that China will remain backward and uninspiring for a long time but they were proven wrong! USA is way ahead in terms of being an international trouble-maker in the guise of democracy crusader. 11 aircraft carriers! Their intentions to dominate the world are crystal clear! China has no such grand ambitions beyond Taiwan and Tibet.
 

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Unlike what the US likes to think, China's concern is not to take over the world. Not by military force anyway, they will do it via economic means sooner or later like the US. Their only military concern is Taiwan and how to take it back if war really breaks out when another loony like Ah Bian takes over

You are comparing 300 million in the USA vs 1.3 billion in China. If you put together the entire English speaking world -- Europe, CAN, US, AUS, NZ, Caribbean, China's GDP will never overtake them, not in 1000 years.

China has more to worry than just Taiwan alone. Tibet wants to break away as well, so does Xinjiang. Hong Kong and Macao detest the Chinese govt as well. The Chinese dictatorship is long overdue for a Middle East type revolution where its people revolt for democracy and less corruption. :rolleyes:
 

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Just watch and see ! Many before had predicted that China will remain backward and uninspiring for a long time but they were proven wrong! USA is way ahead in terms of being an international trouble-maker in the guise of democracy crusader. 11 aircraft carriers! Their intentions to dominate the world are crystal clear! China has no such grand ambitions beyond Taiwan and Tibet.


Yeah but guess what china is still considered the trouble maker.
 

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Taiwan just pee in their pants.:biggrin:

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/110406/5/2pckj.html

中國首艘航母 恐配南海艦隊

中央社 更新日期:"2011/04/06 18:20"

(中央社記者黃季寬北京6日電)媒體今天報導,中國大陸第1艘航空母艦即將改造完成,一般分析,這艘航母可能優先配置在南海艦隊。

南海艦隊是中國3大艦隊之一,但以往裝備較北海和東海艦隊滯後;但近年來,隨著保護南海能源運輸線的重要性大幅上升,以及中國在南海地區面臨相當大的主權挑戰,使解放軍開始致力加強南海艦隊裝備。

其中,南海艦隊已裝備新型的167號飛彈驅逐艦「深圳號」,以及舷號168到172號的「中華神盾」驅逐艦─廣州號、武漢號、蘭州號、海口號等,再加上數艘具隱形能力的「054型」飛彈護衛艦和潛艇等,實力已非吳下阿蒙。

網路上有資訊指出,中國首艘航母船體的艙室已改為全封閉設計,「尤其適合炎熱的南海海域」,加上護衛航母所需的「中華神盾」防空驅逐艦部署在南海艦隊,使中國首艘航母將配置在南海艦隊的說法,有一定的依據。1000406

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http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/110406/135/2pcnt.html

中媒:中國第一艘航母今年可望下水
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新頭殼newtalk 2011.04.06 高捷 楊宗興/綜合報導

根據中國官方媒體「新華網」今天引述環球網的報導指出,中國第1艘航空母艦即將改造完工,據網路上流傳的照片顯示,這艘購自烏克蘭的前蘇聯航母「瓦良格號」在大連造船廠船塢中的改造工程已進入收尾階段,艦身也已塗裝成標準的中國海軍淡灰藍色塗裝。加拿大《漢和防務評論》雜誌認為,改建後的「瓦良格號」航空母艦將在今年進入海上試航階段。

這艘1985年開始建造的航空母艦是前蘇聯「庫茲涅佐夫」級航母的二號艦,前蘇聯解體時才完工70%,後歸烏克蘭所有,但由於烏克蘭無力續建,所以1992年造艦工作全面停擺。

1998年澳門中資機構創律集團以2千萬美元買下「瓦良格號」,實際共耗資1億美元,對外宣稱要將該艦改造為海上賭場。

不過,「瓦良格」成為海上賭場的夢想並未實現,2002年「瓦良格號」被拖抵大連港,隨即被送進大連造船廠的船塢中,開始除舊佈新的改造工程,陸續裝上相位陣列雷達、飛行人員防墜網支架、海紅旗10型飛彈、火控雷達等。

中國人民日報轄下的環球網近日刊出「瓦良格號」停泊在大連造船廠的照片,可以看出改裝工作已進入收尾階段,艦身已被塗裝成標準的中國海軍淡灰藍色外裝。新華網今天也在首頁登出照片,並以「巨艦即將出航,圓70年中國人航母夢」為標題。

根據相關資料顯示,「瓦良格號」全長302公尺,寬70.5公尺,標準排水量5萬5000噸,滿載排水量6萬7000噸,具有幫助戰機起飛的滑跳式飛行甲板,航速在29至31節間,可搭載1960位船員和626位飛行組員。

該航母武器裝備有:SS-N-19反艦飛彈垂直發射裝置,備彈12枚;4座六聯裝SA-N-9防空飛彈垂直發射裝置,備彈192枚;近防系統;RBU- 12000反潛火箭發射器;最多可搭載50架各類飛機,主要是Su-33和Mig-29戰機、Ka-27反潛直升機及Ka-31預警直升機等。

中國軍方為了一圓航母大夢可說是做足了準備,除了傳出向俄羅斯購買Su-33艦載戰鬥機進行航母起降訓練,也在武漢中國艦船設計研究中心蓋了一座與「瓦良格號」幾乎是一模一樣的上層建築,用來測試艦橋的電子設備以及日常的甲板管理試驗,但其水泥樓頂無法完成艦載機起降訓練。

軍事觀察家認為,中國透過改裝「瓦良格號」取得建造航空母艦的相關技術,後續將再建造數艘航母。「瓦良格號」負有艦載機及相關戰略戰術訓練任務,並有可能優先配備於南海艦隊,以增強中國保護石油運輸線的能力。有西方媒體傳言,「瓦良格號」可能在今年7月1日中國共產黨90週年黨慶之前完工下水。
 

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Fear of China's first aircraft carrier with the South China Sea Fleet
CNA Update: "2011/04/06 18:20"

(Central News Agency, Beijing 6, W Huang quarter Xinhua) media reported today that the first one aircraft carrier in mainland China is about transformation was complete, general analysis, the carrier may be preferred configuration in the South China Sea Fleet.

South China Sea Fleet is one of 3 large fleet, but in the past over the North Sea and East China Sea Fleet and equipment behind; but in recent years, the South China Sea with the protection of the importance of energy transport lines sharp rise in the South China Sea and China's sovereignty faces a considerable challenge to began efforts to strengthen the South China Sea Fleet of PLA equipment.

Among them, the South China Sea Fleet of 167 has been equipped with new missile destroyer "Shenzhen", and the hull number 168-172 issue of the "Chinese Aegis" destroyers ─ Canton Road, Wuhan, number, number of Lanzhou, Haikou Road, coupled with several vessels with stealth capabilities, "054" missile frigates and submarines, the strength has been under non-Wu Ammon.

Internet has information that China's first aircraft carrier hull of the compartment has been changed completely closed design, "especially for the hot South China Sea", together with the required security aircraft carrier "Chinese Aegis" destroyers deployed in the South China Sea Fleet Air Defense, the China's first aircraft carrier will be configured in the South China Sea Fleet of the argument has some basis. 1000406


http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url...135/2pcnt.html

In the media: China's first aircraft carrier launched this year is expected to
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According to official Chinese media, "Xinhua" Today's report said quoting the World Wide Web, China's first aircraft carrier is about a complete transformation, according to the photos being circulated on the Internet shows that the Ukrainian ship purchased from the former Soviet Union aircraft carrier "Varyag" in Dalian shipyard dock in the renovation project has entered the final phase, ship is also a standard of the Chinese painting blue navy light gray paint. Canada "Han Defense Review" magazine that the reconstructed "Varyag" aircraft carrier into the sea trials will stage this year.

Ship built in 1985, the former Soviet Union aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" aircraft carrier II-class ships, the former Soviet Union only 70% completed, after the return of all Ukraine, but Ukraine's inability to continued construction, built in 1992 so Work was stopped ship.

Law of the Macao-funded organizations created in 1998 to 2 million U.S. dollars to buy the Group "Varyag", the actual total cost of 100 million U.S. dollars, claiming to transform the ship at sea casino.

However, the "Varyag" as the sea did not realize the dream of the casino in 2002, "Varyag" tow arrived in Dalian Port, the woman was taken to the dock in Dalian Shipyard, blow away the cobwebs of the renovation project began, one after another loaded phased array radar, flight support personnel fall protection nets, sea red 10 missiles, fire control radar.

China, People's Daily recently published World Wide Web under the "Varyag" park in Dalian Shipyard photo, you can see that work has entered the final stage of conversion, has been painting ship is a standard outside the Chinese navy light gray blue installed. Today, Xinhua is also home logout photos, and to "sail ship in about a round of 70 aircraft carriers in the Chinese dream" for the title.

According to relevant information, "Varyag" length 302 meters, 70.5 meters wide, the standard displacement of 55,000 tons full load displacement of 67,000 tons, with the help aircraft take off the ski-jump type flight deck, the speed in the 29 to 31 rooms, capable of carrying 1,960 crew and 626 flight crew.

The aircraft carrier weapons and equipment are: SS-N-19 anti-ship missile vertical launcher, Beitan 12; four six-mounted SA-N-9 air defense missile vertical launcher, Beitan 192; nearly anti-systems; RBU- 12,000 anti-submarine rocket launcher; up to 50 aircraft can carry various types of aircraft, mainly Su-33 and Mig-29 fighters, Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopter and the Ka-31 early warning helicopters.

Chinese military aircraft to a circle can be said that big dream full of plans, in addition to spread to Russia to buy Su-33 aircraft carrier-based fighters taking off and landing training, also in Wuhan, China Ship Design and Research Center and built a "Varyag "almost identical to the superstructure, the electronic equipment used to test the bridge deck and the daily management of trials, but the concrete roof off and landing training carrier-based aircraft could not be completed.

Military observers believe that China through the modified "Varyag" made the construction of aircraft carriers of the relevant technology, the number of aircraft carrier construction of the follow-up Qiangzai. "Varyag" carrier-based aircraft and the associated responsibility of strategic and tactical training mission, and may give priority with the South China Sea Fleet, in order to enhance China's ability to protect oil shipping lanes. Some Western media speculation, "Varyag" may be 1 July this year, the Communist Party of China celebrate the 90th anniversary of the party before the completion of the water.
 

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You are comparing 300 million in the USA vs 1.3 billion in China. If you put together the entire English speaking world -- Europe, CAN, US, AUS, NZ, Caribbean, China's GDP will never overtake them, not in 1000 years.

China has more to worry than just Taiwan alone. Tibet wants to break away as well, so does Xinjiang. Hong Kong and Macao detest the Chinese govt as well. The Chinese dictatorship is long overdue for a Middle East type revolution where its people revolt for democracy and less corruption. :rolleyes:

Breakup very unlikely for the China. The very likely outcome will be China have opposition party only after 20 years from now. Slowly they will be opposition and government cannot control it because next generation will be smarter. Even now China also seperated local province government same as the US state government. They only different is President is elected by citizen.
Fact is fact. China going to sail out the carrier this year. Have you really follow up all the news on military?
China have fully copy SU27 name J11 make in China. So do the SU30 now selling spart part to Malaysia.
They are prototype of stealth jet fighter confirm able to fly. But using none stealth engine.
Very soon after they test out the aircraft carrier they will built nuke aircraft carrier. Since China have ship building facility very advance facility(as we all know China are they biggest ship builder) and know how to operated nuclear power station. When they combine it that nuke aircraft carrier. Price China willing to pay even at US$10b/carrier.
People always laugh at China. Can you see how fast China advance in last 10 year. US take 30 year China only need 10 year. That cut short duration by 3 times. Now many high precision machine for manufacturing made by Germany/Japan are purchase by China. If one really have the inside info. So many electonic produce from China eg Iphone and Ipad need very precision machnice. Does anyone realy know where they machine come from? No right. most machine are from Europe and Japan.
I not PRC/US supporter. I always on neutral no bias side.
We have to look wider and what is the fact and accept it.
 

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USS George Washington will crush this piece of junk :mad::mad:

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I am curious how they will name this flea-like carrier.
I suggest CJS (China Junk Ship) 妓女
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USA & China will not shoot at each others. Too much stake on table. Both will lose.
Dont talk about China/US war.
US and North Korea also have not even really start a war. So does the when the cold war. USSR and USA both only show off weapon. In the end USSR economy collapse because waste too much money on weapon to show off. Now same thing will happen to USA. One year alone US military spend about US$700b/year that not included extra cost for war in Afgan/Irag/now Libya.
 

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USA & China will not shoot at each others. Too much stake on table. Both will lose.
Dont talk about China/US war.
US and North Korea also have not even really start a war. So does the when the cold war. USSR and USA both only show off weapon. In the end USSR economy collapse because waste too much money on weapon to show off. Now same thing will happen to USA. One year alone US military spend about US$700b/year that not included extra cost for war in Afgan/Irag/now Libya.

We will never kill the golden goose, China

They need us and our big corporations will like to exploit their markets

If not, which country will buy our junk food in such massive amounts?
 

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USS George Washington will crush this piece of junk :mad::mad:

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I am curious how they will name this flea-like carrier.
I suggest CJS (China Junk Ship) 妓女
:eek::eek:

If one to one fight. Both carrier will sink for sure. Because both will fire all the missile and torpedo. I sure some will hit. There no 100% can counter all the missile. So best no war,
 

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USS George Washington will crush this piece of junk :mad::mad:

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China's military is deploying a new anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink U.S. aircraft carriers, a weapon that specialists say gives Beijing new power-projection capabilities that will affect U.S. support for its Pacific allies.

Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, disclosed to a Japanese newspaper on Sunday that the new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) is now in the early stages of deployment after having undergone extensive testing.

“An analogy using a Western term would be ‘initial operational capability (IOC),’ whereby I think China would perceive that it has an operational capability now, but they continue to develop it,” Adm. Willard told the Asahi Shimbun. “I would gauge it as about the equivalent of a U.S. system that has achieved IOC.”

The four-star admiral, who has been an outspoken skeptic of China’s claims that its large-scale military buildup is peaceful, said the U.S. deployment assessment is based on China’s press reports and continued testing.

The new weapon, the “D” version of China’s DF-21 medium-range missile, involves firing the mobile missile into space, returning it into the atmosphere and then maneuvering it to its target

Military officials consider using ballistic missiles against ships at sea to be a difficult task that requires a variety of air, sea and space sensors, navigation systems and precision guidance technology - capabilities not typical of other Chinese missiles.

Asked about the integrated system, Adm. Willard said that “to have something that would be regarded as in its early operational stage would require that system be able to accomplish its flight pattern as designed, by and large.”

The admiral said that while the U.S. thinks “that the component parts of the anti-ship ballistic missile have been developed and tested,” China’s testing has not gone as far as a live-fire test attack on an actual ship.

“We have not seen an over-water test of the entire system,” he said.

Adm. Willard said he did not view the new missile as a greater threat to U.S. and allied forces than China’s submarine forces, which also have been expanded greatly in the past decade.

“Anti-access/area denial, which is a term that was relatively recently coined, is attempting to represent an entire range of capabilities that China has developed and that other countries have developed,” he said.

“It´s not exclusively China that has what is now being referred to as A2/AD capability. But in China´s case, it´s a combination of integrated air-defense systems; advanced naval systems, such as the submarine; advanced ballistic-missile systems, such as the anti-ship ballistic missile, as well as power-projection systems into the region,” he said.

The new weapons can threaten “archipelagos” in Asia, such as Japan and Philippines, as well as Vietnam and other states that “are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2/AD capability of China,” Adm. Willard said.

“That should be concerning - and we know is concerning - to those countries,” he said.

Adm. Willard said the new weapons are “an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region.”

“For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, [and] it remains concerning to the United States.”

Andrew S. Erickson, a professor at the U.S. Naval War College, said the admiral’s comments on the missile deployment confirm earlier reports that the Chinese are moving ahead with the DF-21D missile.

”China must have conducted a rigorous program of tests, most likely including flight tests, to demonstrate that the DF-21D [missile] is mature enough for initial production, deployment and employment,” Mr. Erickson said in an e-mail.

Mr. Erickson estimates that at least one unit of China’s Second Artillery Corps, as its missile forces are called, must be equipped with the road-mobile system.

“While doubtless an area of continuous challenge and improvement, the DF-21D´s command, control, communications, computers, information, surveillance, and reconnaissance infrastructure must be sufficient to support attempts at basic carrier strike group targeting,” he said.

Mr. Erickson said, based on Chinese missile-deployment patterns, that the new missile system likely will be fielded in “waves” at different units to meet deterrence objectives.

Military specialists have said the DF-21D deployment is a potent new threat because it will force U.S. aircraft carrier strike groups to operate farther from hot spots in the western Pacific.

Currently, U.S. military strategy calls for the Pentagon to send several strike groups to waters near Taiwan in the event China follows through on threats to use force to retake the island. The lone U.S. aircraft carrier strike group based permanently in the region is the USS George Washington, whose home port is inYokosuka, Japan. A second carrier is planned for Hawaii or Guam.

Carrier forces also provide air power in the event of a new war in Korea and are used to assure freedom of navigation, a growing problem as the result of recent Chinese military assertiveness in the South China Sea, East China Sea and Yellow Sea.

Adm. Willard did not discuss what U.S. countermeasures the Navy has taken against the new anti-ship missile. U.S. naval task forces include ships equipped with the Aegis system designed to shoot down ballistic missiles.

Wallace “Chip” Gregson, assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs, said in a speech earlier this month that China’s new anti-access and area-denial weapons, including the DF-21D, “threaten our primary means of projecting power: our bases, our sea and air assets, and the networks that support them.”

He warned that China's military buildup could “upend the regional security balance.”

Richard Fisher, a China military-affairs specialist, said the new ASBM is only one part of a series of new Chinese weapons that threaten the region.

“When we add the ASBM to the PLA’s [People’s Liberation Army’s] growing anti-satellite capabilities, growing numbers of submarines, and quite soon, its fifth-generation fighter, we are seeing the erection of a new Chinese wall in the western Pacific, for which the Obama administration has offered almost nothing in defensive response,” Mr. Fisher said.

“Clearly, China’s communist leadership is not impressed by the administration’s ending of F-22 production, its retirement of the Navy’s nuclear cruise missile, START Treaty reductions in U.S. missile warheads, and its refusal to consider U.S. space warfare capabilities. Such weakness is the surest way to invite military adventurism from China,” he added.

Mr. Fisher said the Pentagon should mount a crash program to develop high-technology energy weapons, like rail guns and lasers in response to the new ASBMs.

Mark Stokes, a retired Air Force officer who has written extensively on the new missile, said the new deployment is a concern.

”China’s ability to place at risk U.S. and other nations’ maritime surface assets operating in the western Pacific and South China Sea is growing and closer to becoming a reality than many may think,” Mr. Stokes said.

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Breakup very unlikely for the China. The very likely outcome will be China have opposition party only after 20 years from now. Slowly they will be opposition and government cannot control it because next generation will be smarter. Even now China also seperated local province government same as the US state government. They only different is President is elected by citizen.
Fact is fact. China going to sail out the carrier this year. Have you really follow up all the news on military?
China have fully copy SU27 name J11 make in China. So do the SU30 now selling spart part to Malaysia.
They are prototype of stealth jet fighter confirm able to fly. But using none stealth engine.
Very soon after they test out the aircraft carrier they will built nuke aircraft carrier. Since China have ship building facility very advance facility(as we all know China are they biggest ship builder) and know how to operated nuclear power station. When they combine it that nuke aircraft carrier. Price China willing to pay even at US$10b/carrier.
People always laugh at China. Can you see how fast China advance in last 10 year. US take 30 year China only need 10 year. That cut short duration by 3 times. Now many high precision machine for manufacturing made by Germany/Japan are purchase by China. If one really have the inside info. So many electonic produce from China eg Iphone and Ipad need very precision machnice. Does anyone realy know where they machine come from? No right. most machine are from Europe and Japan.
I not PRC/US supporter. I always on neutral no bias side.
We have to look wider and what is the fact and accept it.

You need to get your head checked. And learn some history. Breaking up is a real threat for China, Tibet and maybe Xinjiang would have broken away a long time ago if they did not send in their armies to kill the protestors by force and exile the Dalai Lama.

All the technology China has are inflows from other developed countries due to the global trade. You turn off that tap, the Chinese would still be living in wooden huts. Actually most of them are living in wooden huts. China is merely copying and stealing everything without respect for copyrights. Even this carrier was bought and refitted from the Russians.

Even assuming the impossible scenario where China can maintain 10% annual growth for 60 years, it would take China at least 60-80 yrs to equal the USA in per capita income. This scenario is impossible, China can't grow at 10% for 60 straight years, in the best case scenario, it will grow at 8% for the next 20 years before falling lower. It is also more possible that China will screw up as it has always done in its long history -- they already have the world's dirtiest air in their cities and are using recycled oil for 10% of their meals despite the fact it causes cancer. Their best hospitals are still curing cancer by getting an old man to practise Taiji on you! That is how little science their population has.

If you were to look at things globally, the English speaking world from USA to Europe to NZ will rule the world forever. The English language will take over the world, it already has. China is just a country where illiterate loser Singaporean old men go to get laid and boost their ego, and even these losers don't want to stay in China because you have to worry about whether the ice or oil they use in restaurants are clean or whether a Chinese person will accidentally shit on your shoes while you are waiting for the bus.
 
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