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英军花2亿英镑拆毁40亿国产军机 然后再花30亿外购
2019年07月19日 10:23 新浪军事
474
2019年7月13日，为英国皇家空军建造的第一架波音P-8A Poseidon海上反潜巡逻机首次在西雅图波音公司的机场起飞，这架飞机拥有英国军方编号ZP801和美国临时登记号N456DS，2019年10月将飞往佛罗里达州的美国海军Dexonville基地训练英国人员。并将于2020年3月移交英国空军。
2016年7月11日，英国政府签署了与美国达成购买9架波音P-8A Poseidon海上巡逻机的协议，合同总金额30亿英镑，付款将在10年内完成，总价包括了飞机机体以及相应的武器，包括鱼叉II反舰导弹以及MK54鱼雷，以及探测潜艇的声呐浮标。所有9架P-8A交付将于2020年至2021年完成，这些飞机将装备英国空军第120和第201中队，驻扎苏格兰Lossoumouth空军基地，英国政府将花费约1亿英镑改造该基地的基础设施。
英国购买美国飞机，这本不是一个新闻，但是购买美国P-8A反潜机则是一个天大的丑闻
鉴于英美两国特殊关系，英国从美国购买飞机历史悠久，F-4战斗机，F-111战斗机，F-35战斗机，英国几乎都是第一时间就可以拿到货，但是这一次购买美国飞机，则遭到英国航空界人士的一致抨击：败家子！蠢货！混蛋！
原因是，这一次美国的订单是英国自己作死作出来的，2015年，英国政府作出决议，决定砍掉了一支即将研发完成的新型“猎迷”海上反潜巡逻机机队，这些反潜机的研发成本接近40亿英镑，最终砍掉这批飞机能为政府节省20亿英镑的开支。
猎迷是世界知名反潜机，飞机采用4台罗罗喷气发动机，飞机飞行速度快，载重大，航程远，比美国同时期的P-3C飞机更强悍，飞机最大起飞重量100吨，最大速度918公里，最大航程高达10000公里，这款飞机为英国封堵俄罗斯核潜艇立下了汗马功劳，冷战期间，曾经几十次发现北大西洋的俄罗斯核潜艇，也保护了本国弹道导弹核潜艇！
猎迷反潜机的存在，是俄罗斯核潜艇巨大的威慑，谁知道英国人说拆就拆了
1996年7月，英国航宇公司得到了“猎迷”2000改进型的合同，这一次改进可算是脱胎换骨，猎迷MRA4型采用了史密斯公司的先进导航和飞行控制系统，导航传感器包括激光惯性导航装置、两个立顿公司LN-100G GPS系统、无线电导航、微波着陆系统、TCAS 2交通告警和回避系统，而且也装备了“搜水”2000MR多模式对海搜索雷达，以及诺斯罗普 格鲁门公司的光学电视监视探测系统，二者配合，可以在几十公里之外发现潜航状态的潜艇，MRA4还加装了雷达告警接受机、Elta电子对抗系统、磁异常探测系统，经过这次改进，英国猎迷反潜巡逻机达到了世界先进水平。
2002年初，由于压力，英国军方需要消减国防预算，英国防部将对MRA4型的需求量先从21架减为18架，最终又从18架减半，而且还不甘心，直接变成0！谁都想不到，就为了拆毁这9架经过魔改的先进海上巡逻机，最终花了2年时间，花费超过2亿英镑，舆论哗然，最终不了了之，但是谁都想不到，本国的先进飞机刚刚开始拆毁，2016年，英国政府却又出尔反尔，重新向美国采购类似功能的飞机，这就是P-8A海上巡逻机！
一个国家需要不需要某一款武器，缩减开支是一个强大的理由，但是更强大的理由是，这种武器对国家安全的重要性如何，取消后，有没有类似功能的替代品？
从英国人的角度来说，他们国家陆海空军，几十年来规模不断衰退，不算核武器的话，他们常规军事力量完全不是法国，德国，甚至俄罗斯的对手，完全就依靠弹道导弹核潜艇撑面子，而他们的弹道导弹核潜艇基地，出动前，都必须使用猎迷反潜机，提前打扫一遍，防止俄罗斯核潜艇躲门口跟踪，这是世界各国海军必不可少的战术动作！
为了大英帝国，这款老爷机，奋斗了一辈子，最终被“裁了”
猎迷反潜巡逻机，在西方世界算是非常先进的产品，虽然飞机架构有些古老，但是飞机航程大，设备先进，反潜能力强，可以说，这是英国海军的看家神器！取消了猎迷飞机，英国弹道导弹核潜艇就容易处于俄罗斯攻击核潜艇的枪口之下，英国核力量等于报废，有鉴于此，英国政府不得的立即采取措施，重新购买美国飞机，弥补力量空缺！
谁知道，英国绅士也很不靠谱，砍了自家飞机，掉头就花高价购买外国飞机，白白便宜他人，真是很绅士！（作者署名：大水）
The British army spent 200 million pounds to demolish 4 billion domestic military aircraft and then spend 3 billion outsourcing
July 19, 2019 10:23 Sina Military
474
On July 13, 2019, the first Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime anti-submarine patrol aircraft built for the Royal Air Force took off for the first time at the airport of Boeing, Seattle, which had the British military number ZP801 and the US temporary registration number N456DS. In October 2019, he will fly to the US Navy's Dexonville base in Florida to train British personnel. It will be handed over to the British Air Force in March 2020.
On July 11, 2016, the British government signed an agreement with the United States to purchase nine Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft. The total contract amount is 3 billion pounds. The payment will be completed within 10 years. The total price includes the aircraft body and corresponding Weapons include the Harpoon II anti-ship missile and the MK54 torpedo, as well as the sonar buoy that detects the submarine. All nine P-8A deliveries will be completed between 2020 and 2021. These aircraft will be equipped with the British Air Force 120 and 201 squadrons at the Lossoumouth Air Force Base in Scotland, and the UK government will spend approximately £100 million to renovate the base's infrastructure.
It’s not a news to buy American planes in the UK, but buying a US P-8A anti-submarine aircraft is a big scandal.
In view of the special relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States, the United Kingdom has a long history of buying aircraft from the United States, F-4 fighters, F-111 fighters, F-35 fighters, almost all of the UK can get the goods, but this time to buy American aircraft, It was unanimously attacked by the British aviation community: the loser! idiot! Bastard!
The reason is that this time the US order was made by the British itself. In 2015, the British government made a decision to cut off a new type of "hunter" marine anti-submarine patrol aircraft fleet to be developed. The cost of research and development is close to 4 billion pounds, and eventually the aircraft can be cut to save the government 2 billion pounds.
The hunter is a world-renowned anti-submarine aircraft. The aircraft adopts four Rolls-Royce jet engines. The aircraft has a fast flight speed, a heavy load and a long range. It is stronger than the US P-3C aircraft at the same time. The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is 100 tons and the maximum speed is 918 kilometers. With a maximum range of 10,000 kilometers, this aircraft made a great contribution to the British blocking of Russian nuclear submarines. During the Cold War, dozens of Russian nuclear submarines were discovered in the North Atlantic, and the national ballistic missile submarines were also protected!
The existence of the anti-submarine aircraft is a huge deterrent to the Russian nuclear submarine. Who knows that the British have said that the demolition of the anti-submarine aircraft is a huge deterrent of the Russian nuclear submarine. Who knows that the British said that it was demolished.
In July 1996, British Aerospace received a contract for the “Hunter” 2000 improvement. This improvement can be considered as a reinvention. The MRA4 adopts Smith's advanced navigation and flight control system. The navigation sensor includes laser inertial navigation. The installation, two Lipton LN-100G GPS systems, radio navigation, microwave landing systems, TCAS 2 traffic warning and avoidance systems, and also equipped with the "Shuishui" 2000MR multi-mode sea search radar, and Northrop Grum The company's optical TV surveillance and detection system, together with the submarine that can find submarine status dozens of kilometers away, MRA4 also installed radar warning receiver, Elta electronic countermeasure system, magnetic anomaly detection system, after this improvement The British anti-submarine patrol aircraft has reached the advanced level in the world.
At the beginning of 2002, due to pressure, the British military needed to reduce the defense budget. The British Ministry of Defense reduced the demand for the MRA4 from 21 to 18, and finally halved from 18, and it was not reconciled and directly became 0. ! No one could have thought of it. In order to demolish the nine advanced maritime patrol aircraft that had undergone magic transformation, it took two years and cost more than 200 million pounds. The public opinion was utterly lost, but no one could have imagined that the country’s advanced aircraft had just Beginning to demolish, in 2016, the British government went back and re-purchased similar aircraft to the United States. This is the P-8A maritime patrol aircraft!
A country needs a certain weapon, and reducing expenses is a strong reason, but the stronger reason is the importance of such weapons to national security. After cancellation, is there a substitute for similar functions?
From the perspective of the British, their national land, sea and air forces have been declining in scale for decades. If they are not nuclear weapons, their conventional military forces are not French, German, or even Russian opponents. They rely entirely on ballistic missile submarines to support their faces. Their ballistic missile submarine bases must be used before the move to use the anti-submarine aircraft to prevent the Russian nuclear submarines from tracking the door. This is an indispensable tactical action for the navies of the world!
For the British Empire, this old machine, struggling for a lifetime, was eventually "cut" for the British Empire, this old machine, struggled for a lifetime, and eventually was "cut"
The anti-submarine patrol aircraft is a very advanced product in the western world. Although the aircraft structure is somewhat old, the aircraft has a large range of flights, advanced equipment and strong anti-submarine capabilities. It can be said that this is the British navy's housekeeping artifact! With the elimination of the squadrons, the British ballistic missile submarines are easily placed under the guns of Russian attacking nuclear submarines. The British nuclear forces are equal to scrapping. In view of this, the British government is not allowed to take immediate measures to re-purchase American aircraft to make up for the vacancy!
Who knows, the British gentleman is also very unreliable, cut his own plane, turn around and spend high prices to buy foreign planes, cheap others, is really a gentleman! (Author's signature: Dashui)
英军花2亿英镑拆毁40亿国产军机 然后再花30亿外购
2019年07月19日 10:23 新浪军事
474
2019年7月13日，为英国皇家空军建造的第一架波音P-8A Poseidon海上反潜巡逻机首次在西雅图波音公司的机场起飞，这架飞机拥有英国军方编号ZP801和美国临时登记号N456DS，2019年10月将飞往佛罗里达州的美国海军Dexonville基地训练英国人员。并将于2020年3月移交英国空军。
2016年7月11日，英国政府签署了与美国达成购买9架波音P-8A Poseidon海上巡逻机的协议，合同总金额30亿英镑，付款将在10年内完成，总价包括了飞机机体以及相应的武器，包括鱼叉II反舰导弹以及MK54鱼雷，以及探测潜艇的声呐浮标。所有9架P-8A交付将于2020年至2021年完成，这些飞机将装备英国空军第120和第201中队，驻扎苏格兰Lossoumouth空军基地，英国政府将花费约1亿英镑改造该基地的基础设施。
鉴于英美两国特殊关系，英国从美国购买飞机历史悠久，F-4战斗机，F-111战斗机，F-35战斗机，英国几乎都是第一时间就可以拿到货，但是这一次购买美国飞机，则遭到英国航空界人士的一致抨击：败家子！蠢货！混蛋！
原因是，这一次美国的订单是英国自己作死作出来的，2015年，英国政府作出决议，决定砍掉了一支即将研发完成的新型“猎迷”海上反潜巡逻机机队，这些反潜机的研发成本接近40亿英镑，最终砍掉这批飞机能为政府节省20亿英镑的开支。
猎迷是世界知名反潜机，飞机采用4台罗罗喷气发动机，飞机飞行速度快，载重大，航程远，比美国同时期的P-3C飞机更强悍，飞机最大起飞重量100吨，最大速度918公里，最大航程高达10000公里，这款飞机为英国封堵俄罗斯核潜艇立下了汗马功劳，冷战期间，曾经几十次发现北大西洋的俄罗斯核潜艇，也保护了本国弹道导弹核潜艇！
1996年7月，英国航宇公司得到了“猎迷”2000改进型的合同，这一次改进可算是脱胎换骨，猎迷MRA4型采用了史密斯公司的先进导航和飞行控制系统，导航传感器包括激光惯性导航装置、两个立顿公司LN-100G GPS系统、无线电导航、微波着陆系统、TCAS 2交通告警和回避系统，而且也装备了“搜水”2000MR多模式对海搜索雷达，以及诺斯罗普 格鲁门公司的光学电视监视探测系统，二者配合，可以在几十公里之外发现潜航状态的潜艇，MRA4还加装了雷达告警接受机、Elta电子对抗系统、磁异常探测系统，经过这次改进，英国猎迷反潜巡逻机达到了世界先进水平。
2002年初，由于压力，英国军方需要消减国防预算，英国防部将对MRA4型的需求量先从21架减为18架，最终又从18架减半，而且还不甘心，直接变成0！谁都想不到，就为了拆毁这9架经过魔改的先进海上巡逻机，最终花了2年时间，花费超过2亿英镑，舆论哗然，最终不了了之，但是谁都想不到，本国的先进飞机刚刚开始拆毁，2016年，英国政府却又出尔反尔，重新向美国采购类似功能的飞机，这就是P-8A海上巡逻机！
一个国家需要不需要某一款武器，缩减开支是一个强大的理由，但是更强大的理由是，这种武器对国家安全的重要性如何，取消后，有没有类似功能的替代品？
从英国人的角度来说，他们国家陆海空军，几十年来规模不断衰退，不算核武器的话，他们常规军事力量完全不是法国，德国，甚至俄罗斯的对手，完全就依靠弹道导弹核潜艇撑面子，而他们的弹道导弹核潜艇基地，出动前，都必须使用猎迷反潜机，提前打扫一遍，防止俄罗斯核潜艇躲门口跟踪，这是世界各国海军必不可少的战术动作！
猎迷反潜巡逻机，在西方世界算是非常先进的产品，虽然飞机架构有些古老，但是飞机航程大，设备先进，反潜能力强，可以说，这是英国海军的看家神器！取消了猎迷飞机，英国弹道导弹核潜艇就容易处于俄罗斯攻击核潜艇的枪口之下，英国核力量等于报废，有鉴于此，英国政府不得的立即采取措施，重新购买美国飞机，弥补力量空缺！
谁知道，英国绅士也很不靠谱，砍了自家飞机，掉头就花高价购买外国飞机，白白便宜他人，真是很绅士！（作者署名：大水）
The British army spent 200 million pounds to demolish 4 billion domestic military aircraft and then spend 3 billion outsourcing
July 19, 2019 10:23 Sina Military
474
On July 13, 2019, the first Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime anti-submarine patrol aircraft built for the Royal Air Force took off for the first time at the airport of Boeing, Seattle, which had the British military number ZP801 and the US temporary registration number N456DS. In October 2019, he will fly to the US Navy's Dexonville base in Florida to train British personnel. It will be handed over to the British Air Force in March 2020.
On July 11, 2016, the British government signed an agreement with the United States to purchase nine Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft. The total contract amount is 3 billion pounds. The payment will be completed within 10 years. The total price includes the aircraft body and corresponding Weapons include the Harpoon II anti-ship missile and the MK54 torpedo, as well as the sonar buoy that detects the submarine. All nine P-8A deliveries will be completed between 2020 and 2021. These aircraft will be equipped with the British Air Force 120 and 201 squadrons at the Lossoumouth Air Force Base in Scotland, and the UK government will spend approximately £100 million to renovate the base's infrastructure.
It’s not a news to buy American planes in the UK, but buying a US P-8A anti-submarine aircraft is a big scandal.
In view of the special relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States, the United Kingdom has a long history of buying aircraft from the United States, F-4 fighters, F-111 fighters, F-35 fighters, almost all of the UK can get the goods, but this time to buy American aircraft, It was unanimously attacked by the British aviation community: the loser! idiot! Bastard!
The reason is that this time the US order was made by the British itself. In 2015, the British government made a decision to cut off a new type of "hunter" marine anti-submarine patrol aircraft fleet to be developed. The cost of research and development is close to 4 billion pounds, and eventually the aircraft can be cut to save the government 2 billion pounds.
The hunter is a world-renowned anti-submarine aircraft. The aircraft adopts four Rolls-Royce jet engines. The aircraft has a fast flight speed, a heavy load and a long range. It is stronger than the US P-3C aircraft at the same time. The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is 100 tons and the maximum speed is 918 kilometers. With a maximum range of 10,000 kilometers, this aircraft made a great contribution to the British blocking of Russian nuclear submarines. During the Cold War, dozens of Russian nuclear submarines were discovered in the North Atlantic, and the national ballistic missile submarines were also protected!
The existence of the anti-submarine aircraft is a huge deterrent to the Russian nuclear submarine. Who knows that the British have said that the demolition of the anti-submarine aircraft is a huge deterrent of the Russian nuclear submarine. Who knows that the British said that it was demolished.
In July 1996, British Aerospace received a contract for the “Hunter” 2000 improvement. This improvement can be considered as a reinvention. The MRA4 adopts Smith's advanced navigation and flight control system. The navigation sensor includes laser inertial navigation. The installation, two Lipton LN-100G GPS systems, radio navigation, microwave landing systems, TCAS 2 traffic warning and avoidance systems, and also equipped with the "Shuishui" 2000MR multi-mode sea search radar, and Northrop Grum The company's optical TV surveillance and detection system, together with the submarine that can find submarine status dozens of kilometers away, MRA4 also installed radar warning receiver, Elta electronic countermeasure system, magnetic anomaly detection system, after this improvement The British anti-submarine patrol aircraft has reached the advanced level in the world.
At the beginning of 2002, due to pressure, the British military needed to reduce the defense budget. The British Ministry of Defense reduced the demand for the MRA4 from 21 to 18, and finally halved from 18, and it was not reconciled and directly became 0. ! No one could have thought of it. In order to demolish the nine advanced maritime patrol aircraft that had undergone magic transformation, it took two years and cost more than 200 million pounds. The public opinion was utterly lost, but no one could have imagined that the country’s advanced aircraft had just Beginning to demolish, in 2016, the British government went back and re-purchased similar aircraft to the United States. This is the P-8A maritime patrol aircraft!
A country needs a certain weapon, and reducing expenses is a strong reason, but the stronger reason is the importance of such weapons to national security. After cancellation, is there a substitute for similar functions?
From the perspective of the British, their national land, sea and air forces have been declining in scale for decades. If they are not nuclear weapons, their conventional military forces are not French, German, or even Russian opponents. They rely entirely on ballistic missile submarines to support their faces. Their ballistic missile submarine bases must be used before the move to use the anti-submarine aircraft to prevent the Russian nuclear submarines from tracking the door. This is an indispensable tactical action for the navies of the world!
For the British Empire, this old machine, struggling for a lifetime, was eventually "cut" for the British Empire, this old machine, struggled for a lifetime, and eventually was "cut"
The anti-submarine patrol aircraft is a very advanced product in the western world. Although the aircraft structure is somewhat old, the aircraft has a large range of flights, advanced equipment and strong anti-submarine capabilities. It can be said that this is the British navy's housekeeping artifact! With the elimination of the squadrons, the British ballistic missile submarines are easily placed under the guns of Russian attacking nuclear submarines. The British nuclear forces are equal to scrapping. In view of this, the British government is not allowed to take immediate measures to re-purchase American aircraft to make up for the vacancy!
Who knows, the British gentleman is also very unreliable, cut his own plane, turn around and spend high prices to buy foreign planes, cheap others, is really a gentleman! (Author's signature: Dashui)
