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Chitchat PAP's Hari Raya Different From Other moslem Countries! No Need To Blindly Ape Them!

JohnTan

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SINGAPORE - The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (Muis) said it is “not obligatory” for countries to follow one another in determining the date for the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month of fasting.

In response to queries, Deputy Mufti Mohd Murat Md Aris on Sunday said countries should rely on their own methods to determine the Islamic calendar.

Two criteria – calculation based on astronomy, and the sighting of the crescent moon – are used by Islamic scholars to determine the end of Ramadan, he explained.

The end of Ramadan will usher in Hari Raya Aidilfitri, also known as Hari Raya Puasa, which falls on the first day of the month of Syawal.

Hari Raya Aidilfitri in Singapore in 2023 is slated to fall on April 22.

Malaysian daily The Star, as well as several other Malaysian news websites, reported on Friday that the International Astronomical Centre based in the United Arab Emirates had predicted that Syawal in most countries would begin on April 21.

According to the Islamic calendar, which is lunar, some months can last 29 days and others 30 days.

In the Muis statement, Dr Murat said: “For as long as we hold true to the principles of our faith and the guidance of Prophet Muhammad, differences in the determination of the Islamic calendar are something which is neither unexpected nor alarming.”

As a result, not all countries in the world, including Muslim-majority countries, celebrate Hari Raya Aidilfitri on the same date.

These differences have occurred very frequently in the past, said Dr Murat, citing recent instances in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2021 and 2022 when Muslims in some countries in the region welcomed Hari Raya Aidilfitri on a different day from those in other countries.

In 2022, Muslims in Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia celebrated Hari Raya Aidilfitri a day earlier than Muslims in Singapore. The Islamic religious authorities of these four nations meet regularly through an informal gathering called Mabims.

Said Dr Murat: “The religious authorities of other Mabims countries adopt the (astronomy calculations) method to determine key Islamic months such as Ramadan and Syawal.

“However, these countries might also not sight the crescent moon due to atmospheric factors despite fulfilling the Mabims criteria.”

Determining the end of Ramadan by sighting the crescent moon in Singapore, he added, has proved “generally extremely difficult” due to its weather conditions, which are often cloudy.

Therefore, the Republic uses the imkanur rukyah astronomy calculation method, which was recently reviewed in 2021 and is based on more than 700 data points of crescent moon sightings from around the world.

The criteria considers two parameters during sunset on the 29th day of the month: The elevation of the crescent moon, which must exceed three degrees, and the degree of elongation of the sun and the moon, which must exceed 6.4 degrees.

According to Dr Murat, all Mabims countries adopt a method of determination which is based on the principles and guidance of Prophet Muhammad, and while the individual results might differ, they are valid in their respective contexts.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...ne-another-in-determining-end-of-ramadan-muis
 

Loofydralb

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MUIS might as well say that PAP wants a clear definite date at least 2 years in advance in determinance of Hari Raya. PAP hates ambiguity.

So MUIS is actually following PAP guidance, not the Prophet.

If SG can defer and align the clock to Malaysia time, what is the problem in aligning Hari Raya with Malaysia? Answer is:
Malaysia Islamic scholars use the visible sightings as their primary determination, which sometimes changes the date Hari Raya falls on. And PAP doesn't like this.
 

syed putra

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Malaysia Islamic scholars use the visible sightings as their primary determination, which sometimes changes the date Hari Raya falls on. And PAP doesn't like this
This ambiguity causes businesses to lose one working day which to manufacturing concern, is unacceptable.
Businesses need a definite date. No insyaalah. It has to be yes on that date or no!
 

Hypocrite-The

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No such problems with the lunar New year? The tiongs, fuckein islanders, Kim cheese n nips don't have such issues
 

tanwahtiu

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SINGAPORE - The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (Muis) said it is “not obligatory” for countries to follow one another in determining the date for the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month of fasting.

In response to queries, Deputy Mufti Mohd Murat Md Aris on Sunday said countries should rely on their own methods to determine the Islamic calendar.

Two criteria – calculation based on astronomy, and the sighting of the crescent moon – are used by Islamic scholars to determine the end of Ramadan, he explained.

The end of Ramadan will usher in Hari Raya Aidilfitri, also known as Hari Raya Puasa, which falls on the first day of the month of Syawal.

Hari Raya Aidilfitri in Singapore in 2023 is slated to fall on April 22.

Malaysian daily The Star, as well as several other Malaysian news websites, reported on Friday that the International Astronomical Centre based in the United Arab Emirates had predicted that Syawal in most countries would begin on April 21.

According to the Islamic calendar, which is lunar, some months can last 29 days and others 30 days.

In the Muis statement, Dr Murat said: “For as long as we hold true to the principles of our faith and the guidance of Prophet Muhammad, differences in the determination of the Islamic calendar are something which is neither unexpected nor alarming.”

As a result, not all countries in the world, including Muslim-majority countries, celebrate Hari Raya Aidilfitri on the same date.

These differences have occurred very frequently in the past, said Dr Murat, citing recent instances in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2021 and 2022 when Muslims in some countries in the region welcomed Hari Raya Aidilfitri on a different day from those in other countries.

In 2022, Muslims in Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia celebrated Hari Raya Aidilfitri a day earlier than Muslims in Singapore. The Islamic religious authorities of these four nations meet regularly through an informal gathering called Mabims.

Said Dr Murat: “The religious authorities of other Mabims countries adopt the (astronomy calculations) method to determine key Islamic months such as Ramadan and Syawal.

“However, these countries might also not sight the crescent moon due to atmospheric factors despite fulfilling the Mabims criteria.”

Determining the end of Ramadan by sighting the crescent moon in Singapore, he added, has proved “generally extremely difficult” due to its weather conditions, which are often cloudy.

Therefore, the Republic uses the imkanur rukyah astronomy calculation method, which was recently reviewed in 2021 and is based on more than 700 data points of crescent moon sightings from around the world.

The criteria considers two parameters during sunset on the 29th day of the month: The elevation of the crescent moon, which must exceed three degrees, and the degree of elongation of the sun and the moon, which must exceed 6.4 degrees.

According to Dr Murat, all Mabims countries adopt a method of determination which is based on the principles and guidance of Prophet Muhammad, and while the individual results might differ, they are valid in their respective contexts.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...ne-another-in-determining-end-of-ramadan-muis
Well done PAP... keep voting PAP
 

Loofydralb

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This ambiguity causes businesses to lose one working day which to manufacturing concern, is unacceptable.
Businesses need a definite date. No insyaalah. It has to be yes on that date or no!
Does these business towkays know with certainty the time of their death? And yet they worry about a day of Hari Raya. As the Quran has mentioned:

103:1 and 103:2
By the ˹passage of˺ time!
Surely humanity is in ˹grave˺ loss

And

102:1 and 102:2
Competition for more ˹gains˺ diverts you ˹from Allah˺,
until you end up in ˹your˺ graves.
 

mojito

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When the PAP wants it on the 22nd, it will be on the 22nd. That is why the PAP is credible and oppies are not. :cool:
 

JohnTan

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102:1 and 102:2
Competition for more ˹gains˺ diverts you ˹from Allah˺,
until you end up in ˹your˺ graves.

Historical moslems have often competed for more gains from plundering, raiding, looting and conquests. They've often felt that such gains pleased their 'allah' and brought them closer to islamic paradise. A good example would be Mahmud of Ghazni. His love for gold and raiding was legendary.
 

Loofydralb

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If we followed your 'prophet's' guidance, we would have to allow old moslem men to marry primary school girls.
The primary school girls attending your church are already doing it behind your back.
If not for the condom your daughter would have given you a grandchild when she was in primary 6
 

Loofydralb

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Historical moslems have often competed for more gains from plundering, raiding, looting and conquests. They've often felt that such gains pleased their 'allah' and brought them closer to islamic paradise. A good example would be Mahmud of Ghazni. His love for gold and raiding was legendary.
That's precisely why the Quran is preserved so that it is a guidance and reminder for mankind, unlike your fairy tale book....
say cannot eat pork but the church itself allow pork....
say gay and sodomy is sin but church now says it's ok.
Might as well throw out your book and do whatever you desire.
 

JohnTan

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The primary school girls attending your church are already doing it behind your back.
If not for the condom your daughter would have given you a grandchild when she was in primary 6

Getting upset that I pointed out your pedophilic 'prophet' behaviour? Chill lah
 

JohnTan

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That's precisely why the Quran is preserved so that it is a guidance and reminder for mankind, unlike your fairy tale book....
say cannot eat pork but the church itself allow pork....
say gay and sodomy is sin but church now says it's ok.
Might as well throw out your book and do whatever you desire.

moslem quran say cannot marry more than 4 wives. islam's founder, mahomet, married over a dozen wives at one time.

might as well use the quran as toilet paper if the rules only apply for the masses.
 
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