PAP's economic plan of last 10 yrs was like drinking from punchbowl

[TopSage]

nstant noodle type fast to cook good to eat but leaves you with long term devastation and rot. Here are the main initiatives see for yourself the loner term effects.

1. Casino & gaming industry. Crime, family destruction, just yesterday a man broke into his neighbors home to steal $20K to gamble. This one like opium

2. FT Policy. Brute force method of labor force expansive. People over time slowly understand the harm it caused to singaporean. Initially it was just overcrowding later they experience work place discrimination, depressed income, structural unemployment and there wil be many negative effects for yrs to come. This one is the steriods. Inject to get bulk but damage your internal organs.

3. Consumer credit explosive. Deregulation of lending market. This one is an emerging problem. Some still haven't woken up to it. The pap in wanting to grow the banking sector liberalised consumer credit to allow banks to grow its credit cards and unsecured lending. All this despite the mess and pain such banking practices caused in US.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-people-going-for/871964.html
This one is the alcohol in punchbowl.

Right now we see a whole host of problems emerging including rising poverty, working poor, high household debt. Without longer term farsighted initiatives, the pap has left a large gap in our economic development. While the numbers and trend still look good from the opiates, steriods, the price paid by the people will ultimate outweigh the short term gains.

 

[Leongsam]

This the government that builds two huge casinos that cause untold misery and then bans a small insignificant website.

 

[Poomer]

This the government that builds two huge casinos that cause untold misery and then bans a small insignificant website.

Well said, a lil surprised you said that though. Usually you are eternally grateful to the PAP government for plucking you out of abject poverty and providing you proper sanitation.

 

[winners]

Well said, a lil surprised you said that though. Usually you are eternally grateful to the PAP government for plucking you out of abject poverty and providing you proper sanitation.

It's just a temporary amnesia because he had forgotten to take his medication this morning. He'll be back to his usual self again by tomorrow.

 

[Leongsam]

Well said, a lil surprised you said that though. Usually you are eternally grateful to the PAP government for plucking you out of abject poverty and providing you proper sanitation.

I am eternally grateful. The PAP is the best government that has ever existed on this earth. However, that doesn't mean they don't make dumb decisions. No government is perfect.

 

[Asterix]

........ No government is perfect.

Noticed you like to say “no xxx is perfect” quite often. May I add that this is no excuse for not striving for excellence. If 10 out of 10 is perfect, “no government is perfect” is not an excuse for failing to achieve 8 or 9 as the circumstances permit. Especially if that Gahbrament is paid on the basis that it can achieve 12 out of 10.

Also no excuse for any citizen to give the Gahbrament a score of 8 when in fact it’s score should be 3 or 4. To assess the Gahbrament’s performance accurately, every citizen needs to be informed and educated on the issues of the day and think critically. If not every then at least a substantial majority and the balls thingey is another issue altogether.

 

[Leongsam]

Noticed you like to say “no xxx is perfect” quite often. May I add that this is no excuse for not striving for excellence. If 10 out of 10 is perfect, “no government is perfect” is not an excuse for failing to achieve 8 or 9 as the circumstances permit. Especially if that Gahbrament is paid on the basis that it can achieve 12 out of 10.

Also no excuse for any citizen to give the Gahbrament a score of 8 when in fact it’s score should be 3 or 4. To assess the Gahbrament’s performance accurately, every citizen needs to be informed and educated on the issues of the day and think critically. If not every then at least a substantial majority and the balls thingey is another issue altogether.

The PAP government scores 99/100.

There's a total absence of balance when it comes to critiquing the PAP here. No government gets things right 100% of the time but neither do they get it totally wrong every single time. We should praise the government for their good policies but that doesn't mean we can't criticise those we think have missed the mark.

The PAP has its faults just as people have their faults. When passing judgement, I look at the overall package. Same applies when it comes to friendships and business alliances. If the positives outweigh the negatives, then I'm fine.

 

[Asterix]

The PAP government scores 99/100.

In their dreams.

 

[Leongsam]

In their dreams.

It's my assessment. You're entitled to yours. My methodology is to look at the indices that matter and in all of those, the PAP excels.

 

[Asterix]

It's my assessment. You're entitled to yours. My methodology is to look at the indices that matter and in all of those, the PAP excels.

Your methodology is flawed. If one just looks at indices, China should be a paradise which it clearly is not, and its people, government and in fact the whole world knows that. A video is much better than wasting time arguing with you. Where are the Oppo parties' interns? Maybe you might want to train them in your spare time.

Hint: 1st half of video is the fairy tale, 2nd half is the reality. Cheers.

[video=youtube;ESCk7pmuR4k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESCk7pmuR4k[/video]

 

[Leongsam]

Hint: 1st half of video is the fairy tale, 2nd half is the reality. Cheers.

The video you posted does nothing but reinforce my belief that the government is doing a very good job.

As for the losers, all countries have them. It's the natural order of things. IQ and EQ are bell curves.

My key indices aren't measured in dollars. I look at infant mortality and life expectancy. It reveals what sort of job the government is doing in taking care of its citizens. Singapore ranks very well in both. It's a measure of how civilized the country is.

 

[zhihau]

I look at infant mortality and life expectancy. It reveals what sort of job the government is doing in taking care of its citizens.

now imagine anti-abortion laws were passed, Singapore will be 100/100 in your eyes

 

[Satyr]

I am eternally grateful. The PAP is the best government that has ever existed on this earth. However, that doesn't mean they don't make dumb decisions. No government is perfect.

We can agree this is a remarkably efficient and effective government. They are a glorified city council that handles foreign policy and defence as well. But yes, the they can be considered very good. The downside is that when they pursue a wrong policy they can go too far too fast. Reversing those policies are not easy and they are not the ones to bear the pain when things go wrong. We can be grateful but not eternally.

 

[Asterix]

....... I look at infant mortality and life expectancy. It reveals what sort of job the government is doing in taking care of its citizens. Singapore ranks very well in both. It's a measure of how civilized the country is.

Hint to Oppo Parties' interns. This is the part where you should humtum.

 

[Leongsam]

Hint to Oppo Parties' interns. This is the part where you should humtum.

There is nothing to "huntum". Unless the figures aren't to be believed, what it means for a parent is that the probability of your child surviving is far higher in Singapore than almost anywhere else and this is thanks to a comprehensive and affordable system that all citizens enjoy. Nothing can be more devastating for a mother than to see her baby die at birth or at an early age.

Life expectancy measures the health of the nation. If the bottom rungs of society were being abandoned, they'd die at an early age. It is obvious that the singapore healthcare system works. It may not be the cheapest in the world but it is definitely one of the most effective.

 

[Asterix]

There is nothing to "huntum". Unless the figures aren't to be believed, what it means for a parent is that the probability of your child surviving is far higher in Singapore than almost anywhere else and this is thanks to a comprehensive and affordable system that all citizens enjoy. Nothing can be more devastating for a mother than to see her baby die at birth or at an early age.

Life expectancy measures the health of the nation. If the bottom rungs of society were being abandoned, they'd die at an early age. It is obvious that the singapore healthcare system works. It may not be the cheapest in the world but it is definitely one of the most effective.

Too simplistic.

All I did was googled some choice words and it led me to these links just on the first page:

"A natural and important measure is Life Expectancy, but it has a significant flaw: while it tracks mortality, it doesn't take morbidity into account. The solution is to instead use a measure called Healthy Life Expectancy (or HLE), which is currently used to track population health in the EU. This is the life expectancy in a population with each year alive weighted by the quality of health experienced. It is thus a measure of both the quantity and quality of health in an average person's life. It is based on the standard population health units of Quality Adjusted Life Years and Disability Adjusted Life Years (QALYs and DALYs), and corresponds to the average number of QALYs in someone's life. Measuring Healthy Life Expectancy requires a considerable amount of data, but luckily this is already collected and collated for the regular Global Burden of Disease report and this could easily be adapted to measure this indicator at a national level. This would have the added advantage of using the DALY framework for measuring the levels of morbidity, which is the standard in global health."

http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/blog...ndicators-for-the-successor-development-goals

The Happy Planet Index where SG scored poorly:

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/data/

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/assets/happy-planet-index-report.pdf

 

[Leongsam]

Too simplistic.


The Happy Planet Index where SG scored poorly:

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/data/

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/assets/happy-planet-index-report.pdf

This is along the same lines as that Bhutan happiness index bullshit.

Try suggesting to a Singaporean mother to be that she should give birth in Bhutan where the infant mortality rate is SIXTEEN time higher compared to Singapore.

Convince her that despite the fact that her baby has a far higher chance of dying in the first year of it's life, she'll be a much happier woman because Bhutan is a country that fills all it's inhabitants with joy and happiness.

The problem with Singaporeans is that they live such uneventful lives devoid of real suffering and hardship they don't realise how lucky they are. The fact that they can't afford a smartphone is considered to be a major tragedy.

 

[soIsee]

nstant noodle type fast to cook good to eat but leaves you with long term devastation and rot. Here are the main initiatives see for yourself the loner term effects.

1. Casino & gaming industry. Crime, family destruction, just yesterday a man broke into his neighbors home to steal $20K to gamble. This one like opium

2. FT Policy. Brute force method of labor force expansive. People over time slowly understand the harm it caused to singaporean. Initially it was just overcrowding later they experience work place discrimination, depressed income, structural unemployment and there wil be many negative effects for yrs to come. This one is the steriods. Inject to get bulk but damage your internal organs.

3. Consumer credit explosive. Deregulation of lending market. This one is an emerging problem. Some still haven't woken up to it. The pap in wanting to grow the banking sector liberalised consumer credit to allow banks to grow its credit cards and unsecured lending. All this despite the mess and pain such banking practices caused in US.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-people-going-for/871964.html
This one is the alcohol in punchbowl.

Right now we see a whole host of problems emerging including rising poverty, working poor, high household debt. Without longer term farsighted initiatives, the pap has left a large gap in our economic development. While the numbers and trend still look good from the opiates, steriods, the price paid by the people will ultimate outweigh the short term gains.

1. Anybody put a gun to your freaking head to ask you to go gamble?
You got self control problem in anything you do, you put this blame on the gov?

2. You are not competitive both in your talents and skill in competing with FTs and you put the blame on the gov again?
If you are the low class, low skill no talent sort of Sinkie perphaps you need to look at the mirror to see whether your own gov wants these kind of ppl or not.

3. Freeing of credit , liberating banks , got anyone ask you or put a gun to your head to take loans, even if you cannot afford to take up easy loans but yet cannot afford to repay to do so not? You got problem in managing your finances and this you again blame the gov?

 

[Asterix]

..........................

Convince her that despite the fact that her baby has a far higher chance of dying in the first year of it's life, she'll be a much happier woman because Bhutan is a country that fills all it's inhabitants with joy and happiness.

The problem with Singaporeans is that ...................

I tried explaining to Sinkie women relatives that lift upgrading is not "free" and that if a political party uses that as a carrot it amounts to pork barrel politics, but they all shook their heads.

The problem with Sinkies is that they are too lazy to think and even after thinking most of the time they are too ball-less to do the right thing taking into account what is good for them in the long term and not just what is before their eyes.

 

[Asterix]

This is along the same lines as that Bhutan happiness index bullshit.

..............

This other index is composed of sub-indices you twit. One of which is the "well-being" sub-index.

From pages 6 and 7 of the 2013 report:

If you want to know how well someone’s life is going, your best bet is to ask them. The HPI uses
data from surveys which do just that, providing a measure of experienced well-being.
When asking people how they themselves feel about their lives, we allow them to decide what
is important to them, to assess the issues according to their own criteria, to weight each one as
they choose, and to produce an overall response. This democratic, non-paternalistic approach
does not rely on experts knowing what is ‘best’ for people. It also measures something which
is universally considered valuable – everybody wants to feel good about their life. This applies
across cultures and also across time.

Another approach that could be adopted would be to create a list of things which we think
are important to people’s well-being – for example, education, income, and safety – measure
them, and then bring them together into some kind of index. But how do we decide what
things to include in that list and how do we combine them? Should some things be given
more weighting than others? And what does the number that comes out at the end actually
mean?

Measuring well-being through direct measures of experience using survey data, builds on a rich
vein of psychology, economics, and sociology research, and has been demonstrated to provide
valid and reliable data. In this report, experienced well-being is assessed using a question
called the ‘Ladder of Life’ from the Gallup World Poll. This asks respondents to imagine a
ladder, where 0 represents the worst possible life and 10 the best possible life, and report the
step of the ladder they are currently standing on.

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/assets/happy-planet-index-report.pdf

Now from this link, it can be seen that Sinkieland fares poorly too in the Well-being Sub-Index:

http://www.happyplanetindex.org/data/

SG ranks 34 on the well-being index and the top 3 are Denmark, Canada and Norway. Try telling a Danish or Canadian or Norwegian mum to give birth in Sinkieland because the per capita GDP is highest in the world or that infant mortality is low and life expectancy is high and she will laugh at you, twit!

Life is more than just being born and dying and hoping that you are born in a place where the averages point to the largest gap between these two points in time. Only twits will focus on just these two indices.