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PAP Spin - Oppose 6.9, you are xenophobic

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Population White Paper debate: Who's xenophobic?

By Leonard Lim & Andrea Ong
Singapolitics
Thursday, Feb 21, 2013

SINGAPORE - Over the past week, the continuing conversation on the Population White Paper has taken on a new buzzword: xenophobia.

At least three individuals critical of the Government's immigration policies have been labelled anti-foreigner.

Most recently, Workers' Party chief Low Thia Khiang has had to defend himself against a charge of inciting xenophobia in his speech during the parliamentary debate.

So has Mr Gilbert Goh, the organiser of what has been touted to be the biggest protest rally in Singapore since Independence, and a young man who attended it in punk attire and was seen holding up a sign saying "Singapore for Singaporeans".

Several speakers at the protest last Saturday also took pains to make clear that they are not xenophobic, which is an intense dislike or fear of people from other countries.

But accusations continue to be lobbed at various personalities on different media platforms.

The thorny topic of foreigners continues to dominate online and offline conversations two weeks after Parliament held an intense debate on the White Paper.

In the latest twist, those who voice strong opposition to foreigner-friendly policies find themselves risking being called xenophobic even if they are not.

Those who fear that closing the door on foreigners could hurt Singapore are also getting hit by those who say they are not pro-Singapore enough.

The growing divide bears watching, said observers like Dr Leong Chan-Hoong of the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS).

"We're becoming more polarised and politicised than ever on immigration and integration," he said.

Dr Leong added that it is dangerous to "present issues in a dichotomous way because you will overlook the complexity of the challenge".

At the centre of the storm is Mr Goh. Critics said he should not be xenophobic given talk that he holds permanent residency in Australia, where he spent a few years in the past decade.

But he denied this, and said he remains a Singapore citizen. His ex-wife and daughter are living in Australia.

In a Facebook post on Wednesday, he said: "I merely had a four-year work permit and it has expired."

The charges of xenophobia began last Friday - a day before the "Say NO to 6.9 million" protest - when an article he had written two years ago describing stereotypes of different immigrant nationalities went viral.

The timing could not have been more unfortunate. It sparked online debate on whether attending the rally meant endorsing what appeared to be his anti-foreigner stance.

One of the 12 speakers, Dr Vincent Wijeysingha of the Singapore Democratic Party, wrote on Facebook that the article was regrettable.

"As citizens, we must be very clear that xenophobia is not the way to react to population policy. Foreigners are human beings and deserve respect and dignity," he wrote.

The National Solidarity Party, whose members Jeannette Chong-Aruldoss and Ravi Philemon also spoke, released a statement to say neither the party nor the pair endorsed the views in the article.

Mr Goh himself apologised at the start of the rally. He told The Straits Times on Wednesday: "I'm human, I make mistakes. But this event was not about xenophobia. It's about being against the Government's policies."

Participants were not spared. Photos of signs held by some have circulated online, raising questions of whether they were promoting anti-foreigner sentiments.

The sign which sparked the biggest uproar read "Singapore for Singaporeans" and was held by a young man wearing punk-influenced attire. Some drew parallels with right-wing nationalist punk subcultures in Europe.

Sociologist Tan Ern Ser said the language of inclusion "can easily connote exclusion" and come across as xenophobic even if unintended.

But he felt the protesters wanted to send a strong message to the Government rather than drive out foreigners.

The man, who goes by the online name Daryl Nihility, also wrote on Facebook that his sign simply stood for "putting Singaporean first and not to lose our national sense of identity". He added: "There is nothing nationalistic or xenophobic about that."

On what the recent events suggest about Singaporeans, some academics like IPS' Dr Leong cited his think-tank's survey findings showing that Singaporeans are largely inclusive and recognise the contributions of immigrants.

Professor Tan agreed that Singaporeans are not xenophobic, but cautioned that having a significant number of foreigners deemed to have a negative impact on citizens' interests could "reinforce the boundary between being Singaporean and non-Singaporean".

Away from the rally, WP chief Mr Low has also had to fend off accusations of inciting xenophobia.

A new citizen from China, Mr Li Yeming, wrote to Lianhe Zaobao and suggested that Mr Low and the WP fanned anti-foreigner sentiments in the White Paper debate, and drew a line between native-born and new citizens. Mr Li has clarified that he wrote in his personal capacity.

On Monday, Mr Low refuted Mr Li's claims, saying the latter had selectively interpreted his speech and that he had called for equal treatment of all citizens.

On how Singaporean-foreigner relations can be navigated in these sensitive times, experts said it is important to be clear on the issue.

Anthropologist Lai Ah Eng said it was a good start that those involved in the protest were reminded of what it was against: policies, and not immigrants.

Singaporeans should also not be too quick to cry xenophobia.

"There are individuals who say 'go home' but instead of labelling them as xenophobic, can we ask why are they saying 'go home'? Context is crucial," she said.

Former Nominated MP Siew Kum Hong pointed out that netizens and citizens can set the tone by speaking out strongly against xenophobic views, like in the aftermath of Mr Goh's article.

Dr Lai also hopes the discourse will shift away from labels of xenophobia.

"The focus should be on whether Singaporeans are reasonable in asserting their rights to citizenship over population issues amid intense globalisation and competition, in which rapid and massive immigration is used by the Government to solve problems."

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those who voice strong opposition to foreigner-friendly policies find themselves risking being called xenophobic even if they are not.

The PAP has decided to play dirty politics. We should label the PAP as traitors of sinkapore; they sell-out sinkees for money. When they are defeated in 2016, they should be brought before the people's court to be tried for their crime against sinkees.

The charges of xenophobia began last Friday - a day before the "Say NO to 6.9 million" protest - when an article he had written two years ago describing stereotypes of different immigrant nationalities went viral.

Guess who started this?

The sign which sparked the biggest uproar read "Singapore for Singaporeans" and was held by a young man wearing punk-influenced attire. Some drew parallels with right-wing nationalist punk subcultures in Europe.

So, if you oppose the domination of sinkapore by foreigners, you are a nazi? Next time, when a minister make a speech on sinkapore culture, we should tell him to stuff all the bs. There is NO sinkapore culture or spirit when you the foreign population dominates the country and dictate government policies. If this is not treason, what is?

A new citizen from China, Mr Li Yeming, wrote to Lianhe Zaobao and suggested that Mr Low and the WP fanned anti-foreigner sentiments in the White Paper debate, and drew a line between native-born and new citizens. Mr Li has clarified that he wrote in his personal capacity.

A new citizen created by the PAP to shore up its votes. This Mr. Li will run back to China at the first opportunity to strike it rich. We have morons running the country.
 

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I have a bad feeling.. that soon.. racial riots .. or more correct, riots against foreigners will occur.. as the govt tries to suppress the voices of those who want to voice out their frustrations.. soon, feelings and emotions could boil over.. and all might suffert he consequences.

The pappies and their lap dogs, to me, are really not reading the situations well.. they are right on one thing tho.. if they continue to push forth with this white paper.. we will soon see a mutated form of the neo-whites come into being.. as more spirited singaporeans take to forceful measures to make a point.

It is not a good situation.. at least I don't see any positive moves on the pappies to try to appease the people.

The "spring" has arrived.. well. better late then never.
 
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Which reminds me of rascal George Bush. If you are not with them, you are against them. May PAP be out of govt. by 2016.
 

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I have a bad feeling.. that soon.. racial riots .. or more correct, riots against foreigners will occur.. as the govt tries to suppress the voices of those who want to voice out their frustrations.. soon, feelings and emotions could boil over.. and all might suffert he consequences.

The pappies and their lap dogs, to me, are really not reading the situations well.. they are right on one thing tho.. if they continue to push forth with this white paper.. we will soon see a mutated form of the neo-whites come into being.. as more spirited singaporeans take to forceful measures to make a point.

It is not a good situation.. at least I don't see any positive moves on the pappies to try to appease the people.

The "spring" has arrived.. well. better late then never.

The PAP government has bought six more heli for the RSAF ...imagine the PAP using the same methods as Assad of Syria to suppress opposition.
 

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The PAP government has bought six more heli for the RSAF ...imagine the PAP using the same methods as Assad of Syria to suppress opposition.

And what exactly is the point of imagining that? Do you really believe what you say here?

And please don't tell me i have no right to ask....
 
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And what exactly is the point of imagining that? Do you really believe what you say here?

And please don't tell me i have no right to ask....

Who would imagine Assad using aircraft to bomb civilians or target children? When the government is desperate, they are capable of anything. Why should the PAP be any different.

The PAP government have had it easy for decades and they have lost touch with the people. Despite the public sentiments expressed over the years, the government continues to ignore the wishes of the people which they purportedly serve.
We remember how LKY abuses the ISA to takeout his critics. What's there to stop the current government from using more brutal means to silence the opposition if hundreds of thousands sinkees start to take to the streets to demand its ouster?
 

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The PAP government has bought six more heli for the RSAF ...imagine the PAP using the same methods as Assad of Syria to suppress opposition.
The biggest mistake if the PAP tries to use the SAF citizen army against local Sinkies. It might backfire instead, target coordinates for sorties and GRID REFERENCE fire missions could be PAP elite residential addresses.
 

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The biggest mistake if the PAP tries to use the SAF citizen army against local Sinkies. It might backfire instead, target coordinates for sorties and GRID REFERENCE fire missions could be PAP elite residential addresses.

They will ask the scholar officers to fly those choppers for fear that the other pilots might target the government.
 

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Who would imagine Assad using aircraft to bomb civilians or target children? When the government is desperate, they are capable of anything. Why should the PAP be any different.

The PAP government have had it easy for decades and they have lost touch with the people. Despite the public sentiments expressed over the years, the government continues to ignore the wishes of the people which they purportedly serve.
We remember how LKY abuses the ISA to takeout his critics. What's there to stop the current government from using more brutal means to silence the opposition if hundreds of thousands sinkees start to take to the streets to demand its ouster?

I strongly believe the Singapore army will never turn on it's own citizens. Especially since national service is such an integral part of every male singaporeans life.
 

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I strongly believe the Singapore army will never turn on it's own citizens. Especially since national service is such an integral part of every male singaporeans life.

Just as Assad has its loyal soldiers, the PAP has its trusted troops. Yes, they won't trust the reservists or conscripts. There are people whom the PAP has invested heavily in who will be loyal to the PAP forever as their future is tied very much to the regime.
ISD doesn't exist to protect sinkees; it is used against critics of the government. They don't use locals to protect the PM's residence (and his father's) but Gurkhas. Guess why?
 

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govt dont trust locals, it is known, whats new?

I oppose 6.9, so now I racist?
talk kok, I work with foreigners, I find most foreigners understd where we are coming from.

They also realise the issues we face and they also know, once they secure better jobs, they are gg to FO to western cuntries.

so nothing xenophobic about it, its about being realistic and understand the situation
something, cb pappys have forgotten
 

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Just as Assad has its loyal soldiers, the PAP has its trusted troops. Yes, they won't trust the reservists or conscripts. There are people whom the PAP has invested heavily in who will be loyal to the PAP forever as their future is tied very much to the regime.
ISD doesn't exist to protect sinkees; it is used against critics of the government. They don't use locals to protect the PM's residence (and his father's) but Gurkhas. Guess why?

It is one thing to use an apparatus against individual people but it is a totally different thing to use it against a whole, well educated population. Especially on a modern, densely populated island like Singapore. I dont see it happening.
 
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It is one thing to use an apparatus against individual people but it is a totally different thing to use it against a whole, well educated population. Especially on a modern, densely populated island like Singapore. I dont see it happening.

We have a government that doesn't think highly of locals. That's why they have the PAP Times publish such crap survey. What's the point of survey? To sell their 6.9 million white paper - that sinkees are not lousy workers, that's why we need more foreigners. The PAP Times is not an objective newspaper ...it is a mouthpiece of the PAP and seeks to guide how sinkees should think.

Don't rule out what the PAP government is capable off. They are just politicians looking after their own interest, like poiticians everywhere, despite the public portrayal of their huge self-sacrifice to serve the country.
 

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Who would imagine Assad using aircraft to bomb civilians or target children? When the government is desperate, they are capable of anything. Why should the PAP be any different.

The PAP government have had it easy for decades and they have lost touch with the people. Despite the public sentiments expressed over the years, the government continues to ignore the wishes of the people which they purportedly serve.
We remember how LKY abuses the ISA to takeout his critics. What's there to stop the current government from using more brutal means to silence the opposition if hundreds of thousands sinkees start to take to the streets to demand its ouster?

There is a very small chance that the cowards that make up the PAPzis will risk their wealth and future by attacking their citizens. There are only one or two PAPzis that are in it for the power and these are the ones that may initiate savagery towards Singaporeans vis a vis Assad. My bet is that the PAPzis will kwai kwai leave office when they are voted out of parliament. The cabinet ministers are rich beyond their wildest dreams and would rather take things easy in life or move on to another chapter in their lives than to risk everything just to stay in power.

We should also call all those that support the White Paper, traitors. If those that oppose are xenophobic then by logical extension, those that support it are traitors. :biggrin:
 

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Bro its too simplistic to suka suka label la.

you will be like the pappy if you suka suka label people.

We must respect all people, foreigner or local, yes even tiong urines

We must discuss the issues, not suka suka label

my two cents worth of opinion :biggrin:

There is a very small chance that the cowards that make up the PAPzis will risk their wealth and future by attacking their citizens. There are only one or two PAPzis that are in it for the power and these are the ones that may initiate savagery towards Singaporeans vis a vis Assad. My bet is that the PAPzis will kwai kwai leave office when they are voted out of parliament. The cabinet ministers are rich beyond their wildest dreams and would rather take things easy in life or move on to another chapter in their lives than to risk everything just to stay in power.

We should also call all those that support the White Paper, traitors. If those that oppose are xenophobic then by logical extension, those that support it are traitors. :biggrin:
 

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when ppl r desperate to stay in power, they can resort to anything.
and hor, saying goes, "absolute power corrupts" lor.. think how long pappies haf been in power?
do u see anyone who challenged them come away wif good ending de?

history got show us how ppl who haf been in power so long, will do almost anything to stay in power
no one is saint de la.. when u haf ur way for too long hor.. u will slowly take it for granted de

n i nvr say wat will or won't happen.. u hor, just never noe.
we all saw movies of comets n meteros hitting Earth la.. who tot it will come true de?

See russia.. kena liao.. reali like armageddon lor.

oh.. and peppertail, u can say.. nobody stop u, just like u shudn't stop winnie from putting up a possible scenario. no matter hor.. how crazy YOU think it is.

u want to say, den dun stop others from saying, dun be double standard la
u german u noe, known for standard de.. y u double standard.. ruin ur country rep leh
 

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We have a government that doesn't think highly of locals. That's why they have the PAP Times publish such crap survey. What's the point of survey? To sell their 6.9 million white paper - that sinkees are not lousy workers, that's why we need more foreigners. The PAP Times is not an objective newspaper ...it is a mouthpiece of the PAP and seeks to guide how sinkees should think.

Don't rule out what the PAP government is capable off. They are just politicians looking after their own interest, like politicians everywhere, despite the public portrayal of their huge self-sacrifice to serve the country.

I can see HUGE PROBLEMS AHEAD. The PAP is playing with demographic fire by ignoring the ground feelings. The situation will explode in a Singapore "River of Blood", just need some Li Yeming similar character to spark it. Bound to happen when the proportion of new immigrants is 45% like what happened in Britain in 60's when the proportion exceeded just 10%. Learn from History. See the Rivers of Blood video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cn7dDF74yE
 
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