Our Gurkha

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Racism in the institutional sense is always ascribed to the majority race or the race in power. So in Singapore, the Chinese are racist. In Malaysia, the bumiputra policy can be deemed racist. In South Africa under apartheid, even though the whites were the minority, they were the ones wielding power, so perpetrators of racism there must be white.

It's meaningless to talk about black racism in the US or Malay racism in Singapore or Paki racism in the UK.

That's racism for a reason if you want to call it that. Mudland is next to singapore. Mudland's majority are malays. It then shows that some malays or who knows majority of malays might help them.

I want ppl to be more discerning when talking about racism here. The context of racism here is much much better than other countries. In US for eg whites are pissed off with blacks asking for some help even though they made them slaves before. They said that's a long time ago (just around 100+ yrs) get over it. Only in this country do we see minorities making a big hoo haa over every small slight whether it's perceived or real.

That's why in bigger forums say hwz for eg you can write a few harmless things about malays like they are drug addicts which is quite true and they can actually make a police report over that. Small stupid things like this and ppl get offended on it and it's one-sided and so how the blame always falls on chinese ppl being racists when they never commit violent acts but just write harmless things on the net or didn't smile at him in the shop for eg.

 

[Papsmearer]

they are elite alrite but they are not supermen. They maybe the best light infantrymen the world but their primary purpose in singapore is not to fight overseas enemy. Their presence is to ensure the lee dynasty will not be overthrow by singapore peasants. If u notice, they are under the MHA command, not Mindef. MHA portfolio is always given to the most trusted member of the familee. with 2000men, even with a few hundred deploy at instalations, there still 1500 rifles between the mob and the familee. 1.5k is 3 battlions strength so will enable the familee to crush all oppositions.

Bingo, that is the exact reason why they will never be welcomed in singapore as citizens. I would not be surprised if the MHA started to hire more of them. Just look at events around the world. Technology is such now that mass demonstrations and protests can be organized on short noticed. If several tens of thousands of singaporeans march on the Istana or Oxley Rise to protest something, NSmen would be reluctant to shoot them if ordered to do so. After all some of protesters could be their relatives, friends, family, etc. Gurkhas will not disobey such an order. They will shoot us dead in an instance. The sooner they are gone, the better.

 

[groinroot]

If several tens of thousands of singaporeans march on the Istana or Oxley Rise to protest something, NSmen would be reluctant to shoot them if ordered to do so. After all some of protesters could be their relatives, friends, family, etc. Gurkhas will not disobey such an order.

It's precisely the reason mercenaries are used by ruling cliques the world over; he who pays calls the tune.

 

[groinroot]

I would rather have these Brave loyal Gurkhas as our New Citizens than fucktard coward Ah nehs from India, and Ah Tiongs from PRC...Bastard PAP.. These Gurkhas have served this country loyally..They and their family have integrated into our way of life.. Sporean citizenships should be deservedly given to them on a platter for their sacrifices to this country... But our fucked up PAP Govt gave out citizenships freely to opportunistic bastards from India and PRC.. KNNBCCB PAP..

Looks like a channel exists for these Gurkas to remain in Singapore after the expiry of their SPF contract. From what I understand there is an acute shortage of security guards now and the government has imported many from China. However, this has run into a snag as the Chinese guys cannot interact with locals owing to their poor or non-existent command of English. Hence, the security industry is considering employing the Gurkha retirees as security officers as well recruiting new ones from Nepal. If Home Affairs gives its nod there will be some happiness.

 

[scroobal]

It will not happen. It will be not be like HK where they work as security guards.It defeats the purpose of having them in the first place to avoid familiarity etc. What the Govt has done is recognise the need for quality security detail for which there will no locals in the 1990. As a result, the original contingent of 400 was expanded over the years to 2,000. An example is the manning of the security turrets of Changi Prison which is considered mundane and boring. Prison services could not find appropriate security details so these have been handed over to the Gurkhas. There are other similar security arrangements. They have also extended some retirements to cover this as well. Though force has been Been increased 5 fold, the bulk are in sedentary details and will act as a back force for the main high level elite contingent.

Looks like a channel exists for these Gurkas to remain in Singapore after the expiry of their SPF contract. From what I understand there is an acute shortage of security guards now and the government has imported many from China. However, this has run into a snag as the Chinese guys cannot interact with locals owing to their poor or non-existent command of English. Hence, the security industry is considering employing the Gurkha retirees as security officers as well recruiting new ones from Nepal. If Home Affairs gives its nod there will be some happiness.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Hence, the security industry is considering employing the Gurkha retirees as security officers as well recruiting new ones from Nepal. If Home Affairs gives its nod there will be some happiness.

The security industry can always propose to MHA but it will never be accepted. LKY is paranoid. He does not want Gurkhas, whether in active service or retired, to mingle with the locals. Familiarity with the locals is the last LKY hopes to achieve. He tries to make it as 'closed' as possible. Sure, there will be some form of interaction coz some of the kids are attending our local schools.

Read somewhere Gurkhas are in demand up north to be security guards in their gated projects. They stand a better chance up north than over here.

Our security industry here is not the govt's number one priority. Do they really care who looks after security of condos, offices, factories etc? They are only keen about the security industry if it has any significant impact against them. For instance they were caught with pants down when one of their own was PIed and ascertained by spouse to have ECA. Now, all placed on surveillance must first be cleared by SIRD!

They are comfortable with M'sians filling in the slots as security guards.

 

[byleftcan]

The security industry can always propose to MHA but it will never be accepted. LKY is paranoid. He does not want Gurkhas, whether in active service or retired, to mingle with the locals. Familiarity with the locals is the last LKY hopes to achieve. He tries to make it as 'closed' as possible. Sure, there will be some form of interaction coz some of the kids are attending our local schools.

Read somewhere Gurkhas are in demand up north to be security guards in their gated projects. They stand a better chance up north than over here.

Our security industry here is not the govt's number one priority. Do they really care who looks after security of condos, offices, factories etc? They are only keen about the security industry if it has any significant impact against them. For instance they were caught with pants down when one of their own was PIed and ascertained by spouse to have ECA. Now, all placed on surveillance must first be cleared by SIRD!

They are comfortable with M'sians filling in the slots as security guards.

So the key still seems to be LKY. Once he is gone, they might relook into gradual employment of Gurkhas into security industry. Probably Aetos or Cisco first. Separately, not sure if there are private security companies (not security guards but those who provide armed security for ships and troubled spots) based here which recruit these Gurkhas here and deploy them overseas.

http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/books/PeaceProfitPlunder/Chap7.pdf

 

[GoldenDragon]

So the key still seems to be LKY. Once he is gone, they might relook into gradual employment of Gurkhas into security industry. Probably Aetos or Cisco first. Separately, not sure if there are private security companies (not security guards but those who provide armed security for ships and troubled spots) based here which recruit these Gurkhas here and deploy them overseas.

http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/books/PeaceProfitPlunder/Chap7.pdf

Only 3 private agencies are authorised to carry arms. CISCO and AETOS both belong to Temasek. The other being SATS police. Maybe also Temasek owned?

My guess is the same. The authorities would want Gurkhas in AETOS and/or CISCO. Why give them to others when Gurkhas are considered assets?

 

[Forvendet]

Only 3 private agencies are authorised to carry arms. CISCO and AETOS both belong to Temasek. The other being SATS police. Maybe also Temasek owned?

My guess is the same. The authorities would want Gurkhas in AETOS and/or CISCO. Why give them to others when Gurkhas are considered assets?

What are the different duties for CISCO and AETOS? I think that it's best to return all the Gurkhas in Singapore to the British Army, then build another condo at Mount Vernon.

 

[Nice-Gook]

What are the different duties for CISCO and AETOS? I think that it's best to return all the Gurkhas in Singapore to the British Army, then build another condo at Mount Vernon.

The Gurkha nation-Nepal itself does not want it's citizens serving other nations.It's a real thorn in Nepal's sovereignty.Especially with India which has about 47 Gurkha battalions.The sight of retired Gurkhas flying Indian flags while awaiting for their pensions each month does not go well with it's current government.But since Nepal economy is in doldrum and being a Gurkha in foreign service is a bread and butter issue it is tolerated.Once Nepal finds a good governance taking care of it's people Gurkhas overseas will be a thing of a past.

 

[GoldenDragon]

What are the different duties for CISCO and AETOS? /QUOTE]

They perform the same duties - armed guards, unarmed guards, VIP protection etc. The setting up of AETOS was supposedly to give CISCO some competition. But, wtf both Temasek-owned. Competition is artificial. If real competition, they should open up the armed guards' industry. Both AETOS and CISCO can never lose money.

 

[scroobal]

Just to elaborate further. CISCO was meant for the private sector from banks, jewellery store, big niteclubs etc. PSA Police and SATS Police were formed to look after high security areas like airport and the port. Their dsicipline was much better than CISCO whose standards were poor and requirements for entry was low.

Then one morning, old man got bored and suggested that CIAS be formed to compete with SATS for the same airport services to raise standards. This was also to address complaints from foreign carriers about monopoly. CIAS formed their own security outfit.

Certis CISCO is now listed and still serves the cheap and low security end of town. Then another morning and after his breakfast with his daughter in law, the suggestion was to form a consolidated security enterprise for high end security which was a growing business after 9/11. AETOS was formed to consolidate.

Both organisations also serve a political purpose. PA, schools cannot take in all the useless Police, Army CD regulars who retire early and are pretty much useless in the private sector. But their votes are valuable. They are now passed on to CISCO and AETOS. It's does help the economy as they are structurally displaced employment wise. Ever deal with junior chaps who retire from army, police etc. even Ah Long cannot rely on them. The complaints from grassroots also caused a concern. Within AETOS, there different vocations. The ones you deal often are security screening personnel.