Only 1 year NS

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Although the ROC only has one year of NS they are looking at abolishing conscription & going with a professional army.

What is the PAP doing:confused: Increasing their own pay? Increasing the defence budget?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25085323

Can Taiwan's military become a voluntary force?

Last year, 24-year-old Anthony Tseng managed to get out of something that many Taiwanese men dread - a mandatory year in the military.

He went on a crash diet, eating only jelly and seaweed for dinner, and lost so much weight that he was exempt.

"I think it's a total waste of time. Even if we were to serve a year, that doesn't mean we would be ready for battle. And besides, it's unlikely Taiwan will go to war," said Mr Tseng, who after graduation got a job as an auditor instead.

Others don't even see a need for a military.

"It's useless. China doesn't need weapons to invade, they only have to use economics to defeat us," said Steven Tsao, a 21-year-old college student who will be drafted once he graduates.

Taiwan requires men between the ages of 18 to 35 to perform military service, with most undergoing a year of boot camp training - but many young people don't see the need for conscription.

Unlike their parents or grandparents, they no longer see China as a threat. An increasing number of Taiwan's youth want to work in China, because they can earn higher wages there.

Some have resorted to all sorts of methods to dodge the draft, including feigning depression and mental illness, or constantly pursuing higher education to be exempt.

Those with the financial ability acquire foreign citizenship, while others leave the island every few months to avoid residing long enough to have to serve.

Reluctant recruits


"Some of the young men resent having to serve because of inconveniences like no wi-fi in the barracks; some believe it's a waste of time because they don't think there will be a war and that even in military conflict, it would be very hard to win against China's People's Liberation Army," said Alexander Huang, a political science professor specialising in China-Taiwan defence and foreign policies.

"Because of these general sentiments, not too many young kids want to serve."

Recognising this, President Ma Ying-jeou has promised to end one-year conscription and build an all-voluntary force made up of dedicated professional soldiers by 2015.

Currently, conscripts make up nearly one third of Taiwan's 220,000-strong defence force.

The recent death of a conscript after he was put through rigorous exercises in hot weather has further dampened the desire to serve.

But even before that, the Ministry of National Defence had struggled to recruit career soldiers.

In the first 11 months of this year, it recruited just 8,600 people - less than a third of its target for 2013.

This issue forced the government in September to delay its target date for converting to an all-professional force by two years.

But even those inside the ministry say they doubt the government will succeed.

"The country needs people who are willing to serve, but even we servicemen have no confidence… We feel the military is just a job, we don't feel any honour. Everybody just wants to get our retirement benefits and get out of here," said one long-time officer who requested anonymity.

China ties

As long as the Communists do not give up the use of force against us, it's not real peace”

Tseng Chih-hsun Former soldier

Morale-boosting measures are weakened by the fact that ties between Taiwan and China have significantly improved in recent years, making it less clear who the enemy is.

Generals have visited the mainland after retirement and many military personnel have relatives working in China.

"We see the government has warm relations with China, and a lot of people think we and China are brothers, we shouldn't fight each other, and so there's no use [in having] the military," said the officer.

But it was not long ago that military service was seen as a necessary, worthy and patriotic duty in Taiwan.

Mr Tseng's father, Tseng Chih-hsun, 57, voluntarily spent nine years in the military, believing it was good for his country. He disagrees with his son's decision to avoid the draft.

He still remembers past tensions with China and sees the current detente as fickle.

"As long as the Communists do not give up the use of force against us, it's not real peace," Mr Tseng said.

"Under these circumstances, the country still needs young men to serve, we still need an army. Without conscription, if war breaks out, we wouldn't be able to get an army ready in time."

China still has around 1,500 missiles targeting Taiwan, and has not renounced the use of force to take it back. The two sides have never signed a peace treaty.

As a result, Taiwan spends around $12.9bn (£8m) each year on its military, including purchasing advanced weapons from the United States.
Boosting benefits

"We have a belief that even if we don't have war in 100 years, we still have to be prepared," said Pai Chieh-lung, the defence ministry's deputy director general. "As long as the countries around us, like China, have this capability, we must be prepared."

Although the number of personnel on active duty is only around 220,000, conscription helps boost the number of trained people considered fit for service if needed, to an estimated 2.6 million people.

"We won't pursue war, but we need to protect our country… Most young people understand that the country's security is everyone's responsibility. It's like paying taxes, everyone wants to pay less, but it's undeniable that everyone has to pay taxes," Mr Pai said.

Even if the government manages to build an all-voluntary force, young men born after 1 January 1994 will still need to undergo two two-month stints of military training.

But in an indication of changing times, Taiwan's defence spending has dropped in recent years from 3% of GDP in 2009 to 2.7% last year, even if the actual dollar amount ranks Taiwan among the world's top military spenders.

Spending in the future will likely have to be geared more towards raising salaries and benefits for soldiers, to convince more people to enlist.

The starting monthly salary for soldiers is currently around NT$30,000 ($1,000; £600) but there are plans to increase that to NT$38,000.

And beginning in 2015, military personnel will also be eligible for retirement benefits after serving just four years, rather than 10.

The ministry also plans to recruit more women, who currently make up less than 10% of the military's total.

But improving its public image is also considered crucial.

It has stepped up outreach, opening up its bases for public viewing, setting up recruitment booths in colleges, and even having officers dressing up in cute cartoon-character soldier costumes at sports events.

The efforts are convincing some people, such as Charles Chi, 30.

He quit his job in design and advertising in 2011 to join the army. It's a profession he's long been interested in; he hopes to eventually join the special forces.

"I think there is still glory in being a soldier," Mr Chi said. "Cross-strait relations are good, and the threats are not that obvious, but I hope I can use my professional knowledge to help reform the military.

"If the military doesn't change, there won't be young people who want to join. We need young people to join, so that the military can keep up with the changing times."
 
For Singapore, it is NOT a question of reducing NS to 1 yr as a solution. The PROBLEM is the RESERVIST LIABILITIES of 10 yr ICT CYCLES with HK & LK, IPPT & RT followups annually (ages of 40-50 yrs depending on rank status) that is extremely disruptive for workers who are somehow seen as less employable viz a viz FTs or female employees.

NS conscription is ARCHAIC form of defence strategy based on numerical strength as CANNON FODDER. Looking at the NS SPF running away and letting their police cars get burnt in Little India leaves very little doubt to ANY POTENTIAL unfriendly nation about the fighting quality of similar NS men in the SAF despite their expensive toys.

Might as well spend all that DEFENCE $$$ hiring covert mercenary soldiers or professional hitmen to take out the leaders of unfriendly nations instead! One could at least deny any involvement should those covert ops cock-up.
 
The PRC army will not rape and massacre Taiwanese.

But the m&d armies surrounding us WILL rape and massacre at will.

That is the difference.
 
Get that into your stupid head. Understand?

Unless you like to see your baby daughter's head chopped off with a kris stuck up her vagina, or your sister, wife, mother with breasts cut off and broomstick up their vaginas. And men with balls and cocks cut off and stuffed in their mouths.

Survivors of native Indonesian brutality against Indonesian Chinese can attest to that.
 
The PRC army massacred their own people at TianAnMen Square without compunction. Any hostile army will rape and pillage regardless when 500,000 SAF NS men run away from the enemy.

So why still NOT ABOLISH NS. A professional Army would at least do a better job than the NS men
 
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For Singapore, it is NOT a question of reducing NS to 1 yr as a solution. The PROBLEM is the RESERVIST LIABILITIES of 10 yr ICT CYCLES with HK & LK, IPPT & RT followups annually (ages of 40-50 yrs depending on rank status) that is extremely disruptive for workers who are somehow seen as less employable viz a viz FTs or female employees.

NS conscription is ARCHAIC form of defence strategy based on numerical strength as CANNON FODDER. Looking at the NS SPF running away and letting their police cars get burnt in Little India leaves very little doubt to ANY POTENTIAL unfriendly nation about the fighting quality of similar NS men in the SAF despite their expensive toys.


How else to brag about SAF's operational readiness on Pioneer and Jane's magazines?

How else to justify the burgeoning defence budget, always a sacred cow?

How else to get a pool of cheap, exploitable labour, noticeably for preparing the annual NDP?
 
compare our reservist to other countries like Taiwan and South Korea ( a few days yearly, some weapons and light vocational training. that's basically it. ) our reservist period is ludicrously long. it is illogical.
 
Get that into your stupid head. Understand?

Unless you like to see your baby daughter's head chopped off with a kris stuck up her vagina, or your sister, wife, mother with breasts cut off and broomstick up their vaginas. And men with balls and cocks cut off and stuffed in their mouths.

Survivors of native Indonesian brutality against Indonesian Chinese can attest to that.




There are already millions of foreigners in Spore. Some of them are already stealing, robbing, murdering,..... Some are even rioting:rolleyes:

So how is NS suppose to prevent this:confused:
 
For Singapore, it is NOT a question of reducing NS to 1 yr as a solution. The PROBLEM is the RESERVIST LIABILITIES of 10 yr ICT CYCLES with HK & LK, IPPT & RT followups annually (ages of 40-50 yrs depending on rank status) that is extremely disruptive for workers who are somehow seen as less employable viz a viz FTs or female employees.

NS conscription is ARCHAIC form of defence strategy based on numerical strength as CANNON FODDER. Looking at the NS SPF running away and letting their police cars get burnt in Little India leaves very little doubt to ANY POTENTIAL unfriendly nation about the fighting quality of similar NS men in the SAF despite their expensive toys.

Might as well spend all that DEFENCE $$$ hiring covert mercenary soldiers or professional hitmen to take out the leaders of unfriendly nations instead! One could at least deny any involvement should those covert ops cock-up.

and if you are officer or spec, u also get the privilege to "volunteer" long long until you grandfather liao.
 
NS is a good concept. Besides ensuring that everyone knows how to use arms should the need arise, it also builds character. Singapore men would be even bigger wimps without NS.

Singapore is also surrounded by hostile Muslims. Just because a moderate government is in power today in no ways guarantees that a more fundamentalist government won't take over in the near future.

Singaporeans forget that it was a few decades ago when Sukarno declared war on Singapore and almost killed me when a bomb went off just 300 metres from my home. Luckily it was only a small device or I wouldn't be around today.

NS is a MUST at the moment and will still be needed in the foreseeable future. If we let our guard down, the country will be a sitting duck.
 
The PRC army massacred their own people at TianAnMen Square without compunction. Any hostile army will rape and pillage regardless when 500,000 SAF NS men run away from the enemy.

So why still NOT ABOLISH NS. A professional Army would at least do a better job than the NS men



professional army.....................?

no balls means no balls...................pro also no use................

our burden will be higher since the pros will be paid even more than now...............
 
NS is a good concept. Besides ensuring that everyone knows how to use arms should the need arise, it also builds character. Singapore men would be even bigger wimps without NS.

Singapore is also surrounded by hostile Muslims. Just because a moderate government is in power today in no ways guarantees that a more fundamentalist government won't take over in the near future.

Singaporeans forget that it was a few decades ago when Sukarno declared war on Singapore and almost killed me when a bomb went off just 300 metres from my home. Luckily it was only a small device or I wouldn't be around today.

NS is a MUST at the moment and will still be needed in the foreseeable future. If we let our guard down, the country will be a sitting duck.



Everything that the PAP has done can be conceptually justified but are implemented to take advantage of poor Sporeans.

CPF to help people but ended up as a tax & the rules keep changing to deny people from withdrawing.
NS may be justified as a defence but look at what the PAP has turned int into:confused: It is being used by the PAP to indoctrinate & control males. It is also used to buy loyalty of overpaid paper generals. Don't forget the huge amount of money being spent on defence. How many of these billions has been siphoned into the pockets of middlemen:confused:

If they can't afford to pay NS men decent wages then how can they afford all those shiny & expensive new toys:confused:
 
There are already millions of foreigners in Spore. Some of them are already stealing, robbing, murdering,..... Some are even rioting:rolleyes:

So how is NS suppose to prevent this:confused:

PAP has bastardize NS.
The Little India Riot has already show us that the mantra now is "you die your business, run road while you can".

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NS in Singapore is not about defending Singapore. It was started for his own agenda.

1. Train his future PM, which is his son, to handle civilianships;
2. To show that his son is not useless but clever and promotions to BG ranking to show his credentials.
3. To intimidate Singaporeans through tough army training to behave well and take order from authority without questionings much,
4. When the boys leave the army it has had brainwashed to them to also take orders from their employers without questionings much,
5. When all that above was covered, it has had already set up easy life for his son LHL to take over him, a nation of obedience male citizens.

This cunning criminal lawyer turn politician are tyrant and a bully.





The PRC army massacred their own people at TianAnMen Square without compunction. Any hostile army will rape and pillage regardless when 500,000 SAF NS men run away from the enemy.

So why still NOT ABOLISH NS. A professional Army would at least do a better job than the NS men
 
The PRC army will not rape and massacre Taiwanese.

But the m&d armies surrounding us WILL rape and massacre at will.

That is the difference.

Who want to rape your mother, daughter and sisters' chao chee bye? AFter they put the lancheow inside, the smell wouldn't go away for months. Better to fuck your backside, they can clean shit up afterwards. U are pathetic fuckhead come here with your alarmist shit.
 
The PRC army will not rape and massacre Taiwanese.

But the m&d armies surrounding us WILL rape and massacre at will.

That is the difference.

Well said. I have added to your points.
 
Any political party that advocates a 1 year or less conscription will get my vote.
 
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