OMG ... What is this expert saying ???

[AnyOldHow]

Preventing falls "not main reason for MRT doors' ...

Platform doors were fitted at all MRT stations to stop people "deliberately" intruding onto the line, a
design expert, Andrew John Mead said at the trial of Nitcharee Peneakchanasak.

The primary aim was not to prevent falls, but to solve the problem of "track intrusions" which had gone up in the
years leading to service disruptions, inconveniences ... and lost of revenues (this last one was added by myself ... hehe):*:

So what is/are your interpretation(s) of the above statements ???

For me, my interpretations are as follow:-

1. If you are a SMRT's customer, you fall and die on the track, it is your own problem (even if it cause us service disruption)!

2. But, if you intend on committing suicide and die on our track ... we will spend money to build a wall (may two or may three)
to prevent you from dieing and disrupting our services!

3. Where is the logic eh? One life is not equal to another ????

 

[MBSSLOTS]

in tokyo, the path between the tracks and standing area is 1 feet and there are no such incidents...only sinkies and stupid thais have problems!

 

[ray_of_hope]

Could it not be that people have accidentally dropped things, money, wallet etc, onto the track and then attempt to retrieve the items? That is also a track intrusion. There are few limits to people's carelessness and stupidity.

 

[AnyOldHow]

Could it not be that people have accidentally dropped things, money, wallet etc, onto the track and then attempt to retrieve the items? That is also a track intrusion. There are few limits to people's carelessness and stupidity.

That is my exact problem with the above statement ...

It is not intended to prevent accidents ... but to prevent deliberate intrusions!

See the logic ???

 

[ray_of_hope]

That is my exact problem with the above statement ...

It is not intended to prevent accidents ... but to prevent deliberate intrusions!

See the logic ???

It had already been stated that only 40 countries out of 180 worldwide that run subway systems have platform screen doors.
As such I cannot be sympathetic to the view that such screen doors are a necessity to prevent loss of limb and life.

When using the MRT, don't be too close to the edge of the platform. Is that concept so difficult to understand?

 

[AnyOldHow]

It had already been stated that only 40 countries out of 180 worldwide that run subway systems have platform screen doors.
As such I cannot be sympathetic to the view that such screen doors are a necessity to prevent loss of limb and life.

When using the MRT, don't be too close to the edge of the platform. Is that concept so difficult to understand?

You missed the point ... the question here is not about personal safety responsibility! It is about the value of life!

What is the difference between the value of a suicidal life vs the life of a paying commuter?

 

[ray_of_hope]

You missed the point ... the question here is not about personal safety responsibility! It is about the value of life!

What is the difference between the value of a suicidal life vs the life of a paying commuter?

This is not a moral issue. Accidental falls are not a regular occurrence. If they were they would have prompted construction of barrier doors a long time ago.

One person accidentally falling on the track once a year or once every two or three years does not justify constructing screen doors. But regular deliberate intrusions onto the track do justify such construction.

 

[prancku]

You missed the point ... the question here is not about personal safety responsibility! It is about the value of life!

What is the difference between the value of a suicidal life vs the life of a paying commuter?

The difference are as follows (from the point of view of the suicidal life and the life of a paying customer):
* suicidal life - does not want to live anymore, seeks to end his life, so value - zero;
* life of a paying commuter - he paid to be taken from point A to point B by the rail service and does not intent to be hurt or lose his life nor be involved in the accident. Value of life - valueless;

Why only this point of view from the suicidal life or life of a paying customer? You asked the question!!. It is for them to answer, not for you to ask nor for you to question them. Outsiders smoke cigar!!!

 

[AnyOldHow]

The difference are as follows (from the point of view of the suicidal life and the life of a paying customer):
* suicidal life - does not want to live anymore, seeks to end his life, so value - zero;
* life of a paying commuter - he paid to be taken from point A to point B by the rail service and does not intent to be hurt or lose his life nor be involved in the accident. Value of life - valueless;

Your above statement is exactly why I am questioning the above expert's statement that the main purpose of screen doors is to prevent "intrusions" and not to prevent accidents!
In his opinion, there seem to be a distinct differentiation on the value of one life over the other, that is, SMRT put up the screen doors to prevent and save suicidal life and not for the
safety of paying commuters.

 

[eatshitndie]

deter "track intrusion" = "suicide prevention" to stop nuisance to mrt operation and revenue generation (mrt)
prevent "water intrusion" = "suicide prevention" to minimize nuisance to police nap times and body retrieval crew (bedok)
reduce "ground intrusion" = "suicide prevention" to eliminate nuisance to police snooze breaks and clean up crew (hdb)

 

[Fook Seng]

Your above statement is exactly why I am questioning the above expert's statement that the main purpose of screen doors is to prevent "intrusions" and not to prevent accidents!
In his opinion, there seem to be a distinct differentiation on the value of one life over the other, that is, SMRT put up the screen doors to prevent and save suicidal life and not for the
safety of paying commuters.

Exactly. What intrusion? You mean the MRT has the technology to differentiate between a genuine passenger and an intruder? If it is meant to prevent intrusion, shouldn't it be installed long time ago and not until some lives are lost. I think this consultant is a PR consultant. When another death occurs and people ask why nothing has been done, I would like to see how they answer that.

 

[Glaringly]

Luckily they put up the doors. The large crowd seen recently, could result in unexpected surge of commuters rushing forward and may ends up in.

Do Ra Mi Fa So La Ti Do

Not just one falling into the track.

 

[streetsmart73]

Preventing falls "not main reason for MRT doors' ...

Platform doors were fitted at all MRT stations to stop people "deliberately" intruding onto the line, a
design expert, Andrew John Mead said at the trial of Nitcharee Peneakchanasak.

The primary aim was not to prevent falls, but to solve the problem of "track intrusions" which had gone up in the
years leading to service disruptions, inconveniences ... and lost of revenues (this last one was added by myself ... hehe):*:

So what is/are your interpretation(s) of the above statements ???

For me, my interpretations are as follow:-

1. If you are a SMRT's customer, you fall and die on the track, it is your own problem (even if it cause us service disruption)!

2. But, if you intend on committing suicide and die on our track ... we will spend money to build a wall (may two or may three)
to prevent you from dieing and disrupting our services!

3. Where is the logic eh? One life is not equal to another ????

hi there


1. ah anyoldhow!
2. what did you last voted for?
3. the answer to your above statement: 2016

 

[streetsmart73]

Exactly. What intrusion? You mean the MRT has the technology to differentiate between a genuine passenger and an intruder? If it is meant to prevent intrusion, shouldn't it be installed long time ago and not until some lives are lost. I think this consultant is a PR consultant. When another death occurs and people ask why nothing has been done, I would like to see how they answer that.

hi there


1. seng seng, those are dafter sheep from the establishment!
2. talking machiam not talking.
3. can't they just get to the point!
4. speak in some layman terms.

 

[palden]

Life of a typical sinkee is cheap.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Your above statement is exactly why I am questioning the above expert's statement that the main purpose of screen doors is to prevent "intrusions" and not to prevent accidents!
In his opinion, there seem to be a distinct differentiation on the value of one life over the other, that is, SMRT put up the screen doors to prevent and save suicidal life and not for the
safety of paying commuters.

The whole point of the expert's testimony is about service disruption and its frequency. It is not about the value of life or of one life over another. That is an issue you raise and then you draw a false dichotomy.

And the other main issue is whether SMRT follows best international practices, and there are few doubts about that. 140 out of 180 countries do not have platform doors for their subway systems. The Moscow subway carries around 7 million commuters daily and it does not have platform doors.

SMRT is right to argue that platform doors only became a necessity when service disruption became frequent. If deliberate intrusion did not become more prevalent then such doors would be unnecessary. One person accidentally falling onto the tracks once in a blue moon (i.e., once every 2 or 3 years) does not justify the costs of platform doors.

 

[AnyOldHow]

And the other main issue is whether SMRT follows best international practices, and there are few doubts about that. 140 out of 180 countries do not have platform doors for their subway systems. The Moscow subway carries around 7 million commuters daily and it does not have platform doors.

I am not sure your understanding of "Best International Practices" ... when we talked about best practices, we always take the front-runners ... and not the 140 that DON'T Practices!

You are lucky that we do follow the best practices of international subway operators ... else, I cannot imagine the situation today with all the overcrowding especially during trains disruptions!

 

[ray_of_hope]

I am not sure your understanding of "Best International Practices" ... when we talked about best practices, we always take the front-runners ... and not the 140 that DON'T Practices!

You are lucky that we do follow the best practices of international subway operators ... else, I cannot imagine the situation today with all the overcrowding especially during trains disruptions!

MRT is clearly among the front runners based on a host of factors including the price of travel one pays. What do people want? Of course they want everything the best at the lowest price. They clearly do not want to pay a hefty sum for having the best of everything.

 

[prancku]

Your above statement is exactly why I am questioning the above expert's statement that the main purpose of screen doors is to prevent "intrusions" and not to prevent accidents!
In his opinion, there seem to be a distinct differentiation on the value of one life over the other, that is, SMRT put up the screen doors to prevent and save suicidal life and not for the
safety of paying commuters.

Expert was called upon to comment, so he did, whether the emphasis was on preventing suicides or for the benefit of paying customers. So what?

A suicide prevented is one life saved. An accidental fall on to the tracks is avoided when doors are shut is another life saved.

Why take issue with just a comment from an expert during a hearing and extrapolate it to questioning the intention of installing the screen doors? There are many many things which one can take issue with smrt, inclusive of their continued lousy services provided. Why continue to 'turn and turn around the sharp point of the cow's horn' 转牛角尖.

I cannot understand and don't know what else to say.

 

[sense]

Platform doors were fitted at all MRT stations to stop people "deliberately" intruding onto the line, a
design expert, Andrew John Mead said at the trial of Nitcharee Peneakchanasak.

Just like "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step", the falling into the tracks also begins with the intrusion onto the line. Therefore, the expert is saying that with the platform doors, this prevention of intrusion naturally prevent accidental or intentional falling onto the tracks.

Q.E.D.