As long as you are not an ex-cadre PAP, you would not have to worry. Look at Tang. The tax dept raided him. The house in his wife's name was seized. His name did not appear on the deed. And what exactly did Tang do. They said he was a chinese chauvinist but his good friend when he took flight to JB was a Malay. And he was trained in the Indian arts.
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NSP to adopt “minister-specific” strategy in next elections
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Dear Scroobal,
But JBJ and Dr Chee isn't ex-PAP cadre yet they still kena! As for Francis Seow, I don't know whether he was PAP cadre or not.
In Tang's case, seriously, I really wonder what rule of law we are talking about. We have PAP accusing others as Malay Chauvinist, Chinese Chauvinist, waiting to see whether they will come up with Indian Chauvinist, SPG Chaunivist or Western/English Chauvinist!
Sticking labels on political opponents is an ancient tactic but there is marginal diminishing effectiveness in such cases. Luckily they didn't use Indian Chaunivist on JBJ or James Gomez else we will become international joke instantly!
Goh Meng Seng
No they were not. Only Seow and Tang were given the most severe of harassment. Chee in the main is self inflicted. Both Seow and Tang were establishment figures. Tang was cadre, while Seow unknown to many had prosecuted our legendary Chia Thye Poh and was old man's chief attack dog until the wife nagged him about Seow walking openly with his girlfriend Mei Siah to Polar cafe. Wife also complained about Jek after the latter wife complianed.
JBJ was a tussle about political and legal issues. Old man took JBJ as pain in the ass. No tax investigation done on JBJ.
Tang's was the worst. The moment he announced his candidacy, the labels started to emerge.
JBJ was a tussle about political and legal issues. Old man took JBJ as pain in the ass. No tax investigation done on JBJ.
Tang's was the worst. The moment he announced his candidacy, the labels started to emerge.
Dear Scroobal,
But JBJ and Dr Chee isn't ex-PAP cadre yet they still kena! As for Francis Seow, I don't know whether he was PAP cadre or not.
In Tang's case, seriously, I really wonder what rule of law we are talking about. We have PAP accusing others as Malay Chauvinist, Chinese Chauvinist, waiting to see whether they will come up with Indian Chauvinist, SPG Chaunivist or Western/English Chauvinist!
Sticking labels on political opponents is an ancient tactic but there is marginal diminishing effectiveness in such cases. Luckily they didn't use Indian Chaunivist on JBJ or James Gomez else we will become international joke instantly!
Goh Meng Seng
In a way, I think the old man overacted in every cases.
He should accept the trend that societies will move towards a higher level of democratic development after human beings have fulfilled their basic needs. Besides, when people change their political stands, there is nothing to be angry about.
Goh Meng Seng
He should accept the trend that societies will move towards a higher level of democratic development after human beings have fulfilled their basic needs. Besides, when people change their political stands, there is nothing to be angry about.
Goh Meng Seng
The Egyptian is making the POINT of this entire thread, and you're making a joke of it?
Oh I see, no wonder Perspective doesn't want PAP to take Sylvia and LTK seriously!
Goh Meng Seng
If you read the poltical history of the UK, its very much replicates what took place in Singapore with the communist. Their reaction was very measured. They had communists in govt and in the ruling labour party and these were guys were up to no good.
Old Man however reacts in the extreme as though the world will crash if he did not exist to do something.
He first reaction is to label you a retard by commening about our primary school grades. Not something that is done in 1st world politics. Then he questions your motives as though you want to sink this island. Then he targets your associates.
He is probably the 1st cambridge educated leader who made someone's mistress a person no grata. A world's first. Thats how petty he can be.
Old Man however reacts in the extreme as though the world will crash if he did not exist to do something.
He first reaction is to label you a retard by commening about our primary school grades. Not something that is done in 1st world politics. Then he questions your motives as though you want to sink this island. Then he targets your associates.
He is probably the 1st cambridge educated leader who made someone's mistress a person no grata. A world's first. Thats how petty he can be.
His actions are based on what I call "a disproportionate reaction".
Some of his supporters may argue that in certain areas, "a disproportianate reaction" is precisely what is required and to some extent, I can't argue with that. But there are also many areas where it is not required.
He is also most uncomfortable when faced with someone else reacting with "a disproportionate reaction".
You can ask the Tampines residents if they are happy with Tampines Town Council.
Find solutions for their unhappiness.
If you are targetting Tampines, you should at least know the dissatisfaction of the residents with the tampines-specific policies and the level of maintenance of the tampines town council.
If you do not know that, you do not have the credibility to serve in Tampines.
Heavy dissatisfaction with the high HDB prices should also focus on the much lower prices of tampines flats compared to those in tiong bahru, queenstown. Though some will say there is no comparison, you should focus on the differential between tampines-tiong bahru before the last election and today after the last election. Then you will find there is a very strong basis for comparison.
You need these basic and concrete facts to get votes because the dissatisfaction will directly translate into votes that impact the current tampines MPs who think they are doing a good job.
Of course, if these MPs are already doing a good job, you will not get anywhere with your rhetoric.
Find solutions for their unhappiness.
If you are targetting Tampines, you should at least know the dissatisfaction of the residents with the tampines-specific policies and the level of maintenance of the tampines town council.
If you do not know that, you do not have the credibility to serve in Tampines.
Heavy dissatisfaction with the high HDB prices should also focus on the much lower prices of tampines flats compared to those in tiong bahru, queenstown. Though some will say there is no comparison, you should focus on the differential between tampines-tiong bahru before the last election and today after the last election. Then you will find there is a very strong basis for comparison.
You need these basic and concrete facts to get votes because the dissatisfaction will directly translate into votes that impact the current tampines MPs who think they are doing a good job.
Of course, if these MPs are already doing a good job, you will not get anywhere with your rhetoric.
I agree with what you wrote. Good way of putting it.
Anyone not familiar with what took place during that era in other countries might assume that he was right. India, Italy and many European and South American countries had similar experiences. India has for many years had communist state govts in some provinces enough now.
Looks like killing the chickens to frighten the monkey is his favourite approach.
I do recall that many people could not understand why he reacted to Tang in that manner and called dangerous. Till today, it is a mystery. Not to mention that a current cabinet minister thinks that his so called marxists consiracy detainees are just social activist.
Anyone not familiar with what took place during that era in other countries might assume that he was right. India, Italy and many European and South American countries had similar experiences. India has for many years had communist state govts in some provinces enough now.
Looks like killing the chickens to frighten the monkey is his favourite approach.
I do recall that many people could not understand why he reacted to Tang in that manner and called dangerous. Till today, it is a mystery. Not to mention that a current cabinet minister thinks that his so called marxists consiracy detainees are just social activist.
I will explain to you as it is rather simple and I will do it in 2 steps.
1) Tiong Bahru/Queenstown has always been higher than Tampines dur to proximity to CBD.
2) The Gap increased because Tampines is a much much bigger estate and inventory is higher in the resale market. Supply is much more fluid and undercutting is quite common. The gap will continue to grow unless they make Tampines attractive for some reason.
Its the same reason why its not advisable to buy an apartment in a very large condominium especially if it facing the wrong side. The diff can be $100K for similar size unit. Same reason diamonds are pricey compared to other crystals.
Nothing to do with politics. Overall prices are higher across the board and affordability is a major issue and thats politics.
1) Tiong Bahru/Queenstown has always been higher than Tampines dur to proximity to CBD.
2) The Gap increased because Tampines is a much much bigger estate and inventory is higher in the resale market. Supply is much more fluid and undercutting is quite common. The gap will continue to grow unless they make Tampines attractive for some reason.
Its the same reason why its not advisable to buy an apartment in a very large condominium especially if it facing the wrong side. The diff can be $100K for similar size unit. Same reason diamonds are pricey compared to other crystals.
Nothing to do with politics. Overall prices are higher across the board and affordability is a major issue and thats politics.
Oh forget to add something very important.
Tactically, it makes sense to vote any idiot other than PAP. This will force the PAP to give concessions to Tampines to get it back. Don't worry about who is standing in Tampines including your most hated enemy as long as it is not PAP. The PAP cannot afford to lose Tampines a GRC for more than one round.
Tactically, it makes sense to vote any idiot other than PAP. This will force the PAP to give concessions to Tampines to get it back. Don't worry about who is standing in Tampines including your most hated enemy as long as it is not PAP. The PAP cannot afford to lose Tampines a GRC for more than one round.
People will point to the LUP priority as evidence that this is untrue. The PAP has also since changed the strategy. Hougang and PP no longer get much "concessions".
The "concessions" are at the national level. Malaysians slowly understood the magic behind the definition of "denying two-thirds majority". They tried and the magic worked. No stupid bills passed for privatize state entities (indirectly enriching the elite) have since taken place after '08.
So long as there is dissatisfaction, there is politics.
Considerations of the valuation price which affects the selling price may make the whole situation political. Unless the government says that the valuation price is absolutely beyond their control or people buy the idea that it is beyond the government's control, in which case there is no dissatisfaction for the NSP to build their platform upon.
In any case, NSP's platform need to be grounded on the voters' desire for a better life. Not just on MBT and HDB.
The battle for voters must start at the point of their needs.
Though the context here is on Tampines, such reasonings apply to all HDB towns.
Finally to your point that 'overall prices are higher across the board and that's politics', such a stand will not win NSP votes as compared to the differential between Tiong Bahru-Tampines before the last election and today. Some may say that this is due to supply and demand (as yourself) BUT it may also reflect differential in valuation prices. The question is therefore 'are valuation prices a reflection of supply and demand (and thus the government will not interfere in the free market mechanism)?' HDB prices are indeed based on supply and demand but valuation are based on land factors. The question therefore is why the differential of valuation across the two time periods given that the land factors remain the same? Of course the expert opinions will prevail and the argument may well be that valuation is also tied to the rise in per square foot of private property prices in that area and singapore in general. If so, then the government has a valid point. Even then dissatisfaction remains...
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Dear IR123,
You have a point which is relevant to many Singaporeans who are voters.
However, as I have told someone, the point is about extraction of accountability and putting the context of General Elections into proper perspective.
It is a long story to explain the whole thing again. I will write about it after my interview is published by some netter.
Goh Meng Seng
You have a point which is relevant to many Singaporeans who are voters.
However, as I have told someone, the point is about extraction of accountability and putting the context of General Elections into proper perspective.
It is a long story to explain the whole thing again. I will write about it after my interview is published by some netter.
Goh Meng Seng
That is okay, do not need to explain again. If i am ignorant, then i am ignorant.
What i am trying to say is that minister-specific strategy will not win you the votes because voters will want to know how they will be affected.
Therefore you need to address this first.
Its what is called a virgin ward for the PAP. No other ward has been built from ground up. There are no dialect, race, social or vocational bias. Its brand new and there is high concentration of new singaporeans. It was one of the few estates that fell under a scheme run by the JTC for the government where new migrants were allowed to rent HDB properties at dirt cheap rentals for 2 years. Many stayed on. Tampines is a barometer of what long term planning and nuturing can do politically.
Note that Irene Ng who was a Malaysian (new Singaporean) tends to run riot in that place and Mah has a lower profile. Yet they scored very well.
Its what you call a safe seat, something PAP cannot afford to lose.
NSP has done well in realising that HDB prices are indeed core interest. All other things might not work in Tampines but this will. Virgin or not, New Singaporean or not, house price is important.
Note that Irene Ng who was a Malaysian (new Singaporean) tends to run riot in that place and Mah has a lower profile. Yet they scored very well.
Its what you call a safe seat, something PAP cannot afford to lose.
NSP has done well in realising that HDB prices are indeed core interest. All other things might not work in Tampines but this will. Virgin or not, New Singaporean or not, house price is important.
The issue that you raised is a pricing gap that has an economic reason to it. Its something that most people are aware of and thats the reason why there is always higher demand for proximity to CBD as they know that it will outstrip outlying properties. Those engaged in small business such as stall holder, shop keepers and those in SME who can't afford private housing have a higher concentration in estates such as Tiong Bahru, Queenstown, Alexandra because their business background tells them that it will rise faster even though a premium is paid for. And thats the fundamental reason why there is a premium. The same applies to private properties in Orchard Rd and those in Tampines vicinity. Nothing to do with PAP and any other factors.
If NSP of GMS talks about the growing price gap between Tampines and Tiong, most people will laugh and they will be taken to the cleaners for not knowing basic economics. They are however on target on rising house prices, valuations and affordability. These are all related to supply and demand which the govt has total control in view of the fact that 85% of the pop reside in HDB.
Do agree on dissatisfaction fuels politics.
If NSP of GMS talks about the growing price gap between Tampines and Tiong, most people will laugh and they will be taken to the cleaners for not knowing basic economics. They are however on target on rising house prices, valuations and affordability. These are all related to supply and demand which the govt has total control in view of the fact that 85% of the pop reside in HDB.
Do agree on dissatisfaction fuels politics.
So you are saying that to regain PP and Hougang, the PAP has to give national or islandwide concession and not target specific concession to PP and Hougang.
Could you elaborate what these concession would be like.
Could you elaborate what these concession would be like.
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