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No race-based politics in Singapore?

This kind of race, ethnic group issues are already hotly debated on the internet and if it becomes an election topic, I can say it will spiral out of control easily. You either win votes or you going to lose lots of votes. High risk issue.
 
The report claims the Muslims in Singapore are being unfairly treated. This is simply untrue.

The report also states that Singapore is the only country in the world that has legislated a separation of religion and politics. This isn't true either. All secular states have a system whereby common law overrides religious laws.

The report is full of errors. Read it yourself. The author has an axe to grind and if you do a bit of research into who she is, you'll understand why.

Are you referring to the UN report or to the paper?

If it is the UN report, there do not seem to be any of these claims.

If you are referring to the paper, I agree that the person who wrote it has an agenda. This however does not mean that the points presented in the paper are not things which the Malay community does not feel strongly about.

On religious restrictions, I previously gave the example of the no-tudong rule. Another good example would be the participation of Singapore in the war in Iraq. Many Malay Muslims felt that the war was unjust and against their religion as the Americans were invading a Mulim country and killing Muslims. There were however strong restrictions against them speaking out against Singapore's particpation in the coalition that invaded Iraq.

10 years on, the whole world now agrees just how wrong the invastion of Iraq was.

Although dated, the UN report presents a fairly accurate picture of just how the Malay community in Singapore feels. It is not a comfortable picture and it is a rude shock to many Chinese Singaporeans who somehow think Singapore is a la-la land where everybody loves one and another.

The PAP Malay MPs have failed to surface these issues which affect their community. Instead, they have spent their time selling koyok to an increasingly skeptical Malay community.

The setting up of a Malay Bureau by the NSP to look into these issues rather than bury them under propaganda is therefore a step in the correct direction. This is because left unattended, they will eventually blow up in our face.
 
No lah. Buddhism and Hinduism both originated from India. So they are technically "Indian" holidays.

So 2 hols for Chinese, 2 for Malays, 2 for Indians and 2 for the Others. Very fair what! :D
Leongsam is correct. "The Hindus only get one (holiday) and so too do the Buddhists."

Although Buddhism originated in India it is distinct from Hinduism.

If you consider Hinduism and Buddhism technically as "Indian", then applying the same rule, Judaism, Christianity and Islam techinically fall under the 'Middle Eastern" group. Hence, followers of Middle Eastern beliefs enjoy 4 holidays a year - Good Friday, Christmas, Hari Raya Puasa and Hari Raya Haji.

In other words, a Hindu has only one holiday. Ditto for Buddhists. On the other hand a Muslim has four holidays. Ditto for a Christian.
 
You are a fucking retard :oIo:

Tell us how do you and malays feel??? You want money to fall from the sky?
:oIo:

just as leongsam appears to be losing the intellectual argument to aurvandil, out springs the farktard ivebert to blow some smoke from his arse to obfuscate the matter.

this show is getting interesting.

free bump!
 
just as leongsam appears to be losing the intellectual argument to aurvandil, out springs the farktard ivebert to blow some smoke from his arse to obfuscate the matter.

this show is getting interesting.

free bump!

Leongsam was not losing the intellectual argument to nobody. I cannot image how ridiculously prejudiced the forumers here are if the actually believe that Muslims are deprived in any way of their right to practice their religion. Ivebert may be tongue in cheek but he may be hitting the nail on the head - if it's freebies falling out of the sky that they expect, then they will (and should be disappointed). Long live Adam Smith.
 
just as leongsam appears to be losing the intellectual argument to aurvandil, out springs the farktard ivebert to blow some smoke from his arse to obfuscate the matter.

this show is getting interesting.

free bump!

Ayah. That money collector so fond of ridiculing his own race. :rolleyes: Dont expect any praises fm him either, anything related to Malays/Islam ya.
 
It's a known fact that Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism.

Wah piang.... and Muslims do not celebrate Good Friday and X'mas right?

There were even some talk that Jesus visited India and was influenced by Buddhist/Hindu doctrines. If one reads the New Testament, His message was largely gnostic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_gospel

Anyway, this is not the right forum to talk about origins of the major religions. I shall stop here.

We are all brothers lah, no matter what you believe in. :D:D:D


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Leongsam is correct. "The Hindus only get one (holiday) and so too do the Buddhists."

Although Buddhism originated in India it is distinct from Hinduism.

If you consider Hinduism and Buddhism technically as "Indian", then applying the same rule, Judaism, Christianity and Islam techinically fall under the 'Middle Eastern" group. Hence, followers of Middle Eastern beliefs enjoy 4 holidays a year - Good Friday, Christmas, Hari Raya Puasa and Hari Raya Haji.

In other words, a Hindu has only one holiday. Ditto for Buddhists. On the other hand a Muslim has four holidays. Ditto for a Christian.
 
Malays and Chinese are of the same race. They are classified as Mongoloids.

We are all Africans

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Chinese eventually are still Chinese. What would the general Chinese feel if there is a special Malay Bureau?

:confused:
 
The report claims the Muslims in Singapore are being unfairly treated. This is simply untrue.

The report also states that Singapore is the only country in the world that has legislated a separation of religion and politics. This isn't true either. All secular states have a system whereby common law overrides religious laws.

The report is full of errors. Read it yourself. The author has an axe to grind and if you do a bit of research into who she is, you'll understand why.


wow sam it's good that for once you actually talk fairly in favor of the chinese. This is one of the best countries in the world to be a non chinese. It's a chinese majority but being non chinese is okay too.



I say fuck anyone


FUCK ANYONE that complains that you a non chinese and feel discriminated.

If you feel discriminated even in sg no other place in the world will like you.
 
wow sam it's good that for once you actually talk fairly in favor of the chinese.

I don't favour Chinese at all. I think ethnic Chinese Singaporeans are be biggest wimps on earth. They're nothing more than a bunch of cowards.:rolleyes:
 
I don't favour Chinese at all. I think ethnic Chinese Singaporeans are be biggest wimps on earth. They're nothing more than a bunch of cowards.:rolleyes:



well if you say that what do you have to say about yourself that you needed to migrate AKA run away from the so-called biggest wimps on the planet cos they were racist to you. :rolleyes:


I read that they were racist to you cos they didn't smile at you. So you see you're a bigger wimp than them.
 
Given Goh Meng Seng's interest in Minister Mah, it is only matter of time before he raises the issue of how HDB's Ethnic Integration Policy affects the the price of resale HDB flats owned by Malay families. There is widespread empirical evidence that the HDB flats of Malay familes are worth much less due to the PAP FT policy which has mainly approved immigrants from China and India.

The PAP has therefore sought to pre-empt this by having a PAP MP ask the question so that Minister Mah can answer.

Let's see if Minister Mah tells the truth of if we see smoke coming out from the various orifices of his body.

Mr Viswa Sadasivan: To ask the Minister for National Development (a) how does the Government address the issue of HDB flat owners, especially ethnic minority owners, who have difficulty selling their flats because of the restrictions under the Ethnic Integration Policy; (b) how many such owners have had to sell their flats below market valuation; and (c) whether in such cases, the Government will consider buying back the flat from the owners at market valuation or offer a cash top up equal to the deficit, to demonstrate that such owners will not be unduly penalized because of restrictions resulting from a government policy.
 
MALAYSIA ACCORDING TO LKY
By Dr. Mahathir Mohamad on September 14, 2010 6:20 PM

http://chedet.co.cc/chedetblog/2010/09/malaysia-according-to-lky.html#more

1. Mr Lee Kwan Yew, the Minister Mentor of Singapore is three years my senior. That means he and I practically grew up in the same period of time. That also means that I have been able to watch the progress of Mr Lee, and in fact to interact with him on various occasions.

2. His assertion in his interview with the New York Times that "Race relations (would be) better if Singapore (had) not (been) "turfed out" (of Malaysia) is worth studying. Is it true or is it fantasy?

3. Before Singapore joined the Peninsular, Sabah and Sarawak to form Malaysia, there was less racial politics in the Federation of Malaysia. In 1955 the Malays who made up 80 per cent of the citizens gave a large number of their constituencies to the few Chinese and Indian citizens and ensured they won with strong Malay support. As a result the Alliance won 51 of the 52 seats contested.

4. The Tunku then rewarded this willingness of the Chinese and Indian citizens to support the coalition concept by giving them one million unconditional citizenship. This reduced Malay majority to 60 per cent.

5. In the 1959 elections the Alliance of UMNO, MCA and MIC won easily though Kelantan was lost. PAS with only Malays as members was rejected. Racialism even when implied failed.

6. In 1963 Singapore became a part of Malaysia. Despite having promised that the PAP will not participate in Peninsular, Sabah and Sarawak politics, Kwan Yew reneged and the PAP tried to displace the MCA in the Alliance by appealing to Chinese sentiments in the Peninsular. Of course the slogan was "Malaysian Malaysia" which implied that the Chinese were not having equal rights with the Malays. If this appeal to Chinese sentiments against the Malays was not racial, I do not know what is racial.
7. But the Peninsular Chinese favoured working with the Malays in UMNO. They totally rejected PAP in 1964.

8. Following the Malaysian Malaysia campaign a few UMNO leaders tried to rouse Singapore Malay sentiments. There were demonstrations in Singapore where before there were none. Kwan Yew accused Jaafar Albar for instigating the Singapore Malays. Although I never went to Singapore, nor met the Malays there, I was labelled a Malay-ultra by Kwan Yew himself.

9. By 1965 racism had taken hold and the Tunku was forced to end Singapore's membership of Malaysia. But the seed of Chinese racialism had been sown, so that even after the PAP left, the "Malaysian Malaysia" war cry was picked up by the DAP, an offspring of the PAP.
10. With the background of Singapore's activities in Malaysia in the short three years of its membership, can we really believe that if it had not been "turfed out" race relations would be better in Malaysia?

11. But proof of what would have happened was shown by the politics leading up to the 1969 Election. The MCA began to criticise the Sino/Malay cooperation especially on so-called special rights and demanded for a Chinese University. UMNO then began to clamour for a greater share of the economy of the country. The UMNO/MCA conflict resulted in the Alliance faring very badly in the 1969 Elections.

12. DAP and Gerakan, a new party largely made up of MCA dissidents made gains. The Alliance were shocked and rattled.

13. Then the Gerakan and DAP held their victory parade near the Malay settlement of Kampung Baru, hurling racist insults at the Malays. The result was the 13th May race riots.

14. Till today the racist slogan "Malaysian Malaysia" is the war-cry of the DAP. Racism in Malaysia is clearly the result of Singapore's membership of the country for just three years. Can we really believe that if Singapore had not been "turfed out" Malaysia would have no racial problem.

15. While Kwan Yew talks about his belief that all ethnic communities should free themselves from the shackles of racial segregation in order to promote fairness and equality among the races, he also said that "once we are by ourselves (out of Malaysia) the Chinese become the majority".

16. Singapore's population is made up of 75 per cent Chinese and they own 95 per cent of the economy. It is therefore not a truly multi-racial country but a Chinese country with minority racial groups who are additionally much poorer.

17. In Singapore dissent is not allowed, People who contest against the PAP would be hauled up in court for libel and if they win elections would not be allowed to take their places in Parliament. Whereas in Malaysia opposition parties invariably win seats in Parliament and even set up State Governments (today five out of the 13 States are ruled by the opposition parties) the PAP in Singapore has to appoint PAP members to represent the opposition.

18. Whether the PAP admits it or not, the party has always been led and dominated by ethnic Chinese and have won elections principally because of Chinese votes. The others are not even icing on the cake.

19. If Singapore is a part of Malaysia the PAP can certainly reproduce the Singapore kind of non-racial politics because together with the Malaysian Chinese, the PAP will ethnically dominate and control Malaysian politics. No dissent would be allowed and certainly no one would dare say anything about who really runs the country.

20. Amnesia is permissible but trying to claim that it is because Singapore had been "turfed out" for the present racist politics in Malaysia is simply not supported by facts of history.

21. Lee Kwan Yew and I saw the same things and know the reasons why.
 
Given Goh Meng Seng's interest in Minister Mah, it is only matter of time before he raises the issue of how HDB's Ethnic Integration Policy affects the the price of resale HDB flats owned by Malay families. There is widespread empirical evidence that the HDB flats of Malay familes are worth much less due to the PAP FT policy which has mainly approved immigrants from China and India.
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Very true. They have limited buyers, at time sold below valuation and took some time to sell. Especially over at Bishan area. Mind u when they bought the flat fm HDB years years back, the price was same as his Chinese neighbour unit.
 
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