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The days of getting insurers to pay your entire medical bill may be drawing to a close.

The six companies selling MediShield Life-linked health insurance have appealed to the Ministry of Health (MOH) to make it compulsory for existing as well as new policyholders to pay part of their hospital bills, even if they buy riders that now cover the entire amount.

This dovetails with a suggestion from the Health Insurance Task Force (HITF) that patients pay part of their bills to keep claims from ballooning. The HITF had cautioned, however, that existing policyholders should not be disadvantaged.

Insurance companies said patients who do not have to bear any part of the cost not only make more claims, but their claims are also 20 to 25 per cent higher than those of people who pay part of their bills.

The large claims end up pushing up premiums for everyone.

Some 1.3 million people out of the 2.7 million covered by private Integrated Shield Plans (IPs) have riders that guarantee they pay very little or nothing towards their hospital bills. IPs incorporate MediShield Life - which covers subsidised treatment - but offer coverage for higher classes of care.

The insurers have asked that MOH require patients with full riders to pay a small part of their bills.

The Straits Times understands the figure is likely to be 5 per cent to 8 per cent, with a safety net written in to protect patients against really large bills. This safety net is a specified maximum amount patients need to pay in any given year.

Asked if the ministry would intervene, its spokesman said MOH supports the HITF's recommendations. The task force was set up to address the spiralling cost of medical insurance.

In 2016, to slow escalating insurance premiums, the task force recommended that all patients pay part of their bills to encourage prudent spending. It said people who do not pay a cent of their medical bills "may lack the incentive to manage their health and medical costs, translating to higher insurance claims".

It noted cases where private hospitals and doctors "overcharged patients by inflating certain components of the bill, unbundling certain routine laboratory tests for higher total billing or charging excessive amounts for consumables".

Patients who have to pay would likely question such charges. The task force suggested doing away with blanket coverage, with the caveat that any move not "disadvantage" existing policyholders.

The spokesman said: "MOH has been working with insurers on implementation of the task force recommendations. We will share more details in due course."

In 2008, NTUC Income tried offering only riders with partial coverage - but reinstated full-cover riders in 2015 after losing market share to its competitors.

Several insurers The Straits Times spoke to said no insurer is willing to suffer the same fate as Income. But they also cannot agree to stop selling riders for fear of falling foul of the Competition Act. Faced with underwriting losses, they turned to the MOH for help.

The problem has only deepened as riders become increasingly popular. In 2011, only 19 per cent of people here had riders. By 2015, 32 per cent did - with more than three in four having the most expensive, private hospital insurance plans.

Mr Oo Wooi Cheng, a finance executive who has an IP but no rider, and has seen his premium going up, hopes the ministry will step in.

He said: "I think a move by MOH would make sense and will help instil better responsibility in consumers of healthcare services. Otherwise, it could be subject to abuse."

Questionable claims from patients

The Health Insurance Task Force noted that patients who did not have to pay for their medical treatment often racked up large bills at private hospitals.

In fact, insurers have been bombarded with questionable claims from patients with riders who were treated in private hospitals, The Straits Times has learnt. Here is a sampling:

• A 37-year-old woman stayed seven days in hospital for abdominal hernia repair. Of the $46,000 bill, the surgeon's share was $31,900, or five times the norm. It transpired that while in hospital, she also had her breast augmented, and a tummy tuck with the fat transferred to her buttocks, but since these are not covered by insurance, none of this was stated in the bill.

• Another patient who needed cataract surgery opted to be admitted to hospital, instead of having it done as a day procedure, which would have taken no more than an hour or so. His one-day stay each time for each eye amounted to a total bill of $21,000. The median private hospital bill for cataract surgery of one eye is $5,000.

• A patient with fungal growth in her nail stubbed her toe, causing the nail to fall out. She was admitted for two days and was billed $6,000.

• A patient complaining of stomach and chest pains was admitted to hospital, and underwent gastroscopy and colonoscopy procedures to check his stomach and intestines. He was also referred to a heart doctor, a dermatologist for skin rash and an ophthalmologist for blurred vision. The total bill for his one-day stay was $14,000.

• A patient was admitted for 16 hours for inflammation of the gall bladder. The tests showed no inflammation and no treatment was needed. However, the patient was given a series of unrelated screening tests, including an electrocardiogram, a magnetic resonance imaging scan and a computerised tomography scan. Screening is not covered by insurance. The bill came to $11,000.

• A woman was warded for 42 days for cervical sprain and strain (or pain in the neck) but received treatment only on seven days. She was given physiotherapy and painkillers for the other 35 days, something that could have been done as outpatient treatment. The bill was $84,000.

• A 40-year-old man was warded for four days for pain and swelling in his big toe, chalking up a bill of close to $6,000. The bill was rejected after the insurer checked with the doctor, who said the patient was admitted at his own request and that the treatment would otherwise normally be done in the clinic.
 
my uncle say if you don't want lose money don't gamble so he say if insurance company don't want lose only want win then don't sell insurance.
 
Then why buy insurance?

Haha those fucking cheebye insurance companies are really bastards. Don’t wanna pay full.

Maybe next time they go buy specs, give them half a frame. If u want full frame pls co-pay hor!
 
my uncle say he recommend insurance company to station a few approving medical officers in all hospitals to approve claims before the procedure.
 
The biggest insurance rip-off is motor vehicle insurance.

Insurance company insure to the "market" value of your car but that includes the COE component....jacking up your premium payable. Even so, replacement parts of the vehicle should not be COEed again.

COE is not insurable as it is only a certificate issued by the gahmen for a ten year tenure and even if your car is stolen, write-off or disappeared from the face of the earth, any unused "entitlement" for owning that vehicle within the 10 year tenure is totally guaranteed and refundable by the gahmen.
 
my uncle also say KNN you got terminate all the approving underwriters before you kpkb to moh or not.
 
My classmates in Sinkieland are playing the game lah.

Know all about this. Abortions disguised as claims for treatment for Dysfunctional Uterine Bleed.

Admit patient for 1 day to stitch up a laceration on face. Bill $5000. If not warded cannot claim. So ward 1 day when there is no NEED to ward.

I have long said that the healthcare system has moved so far into "customer is always right" PATIENT FIRST personalized patient driven choices and decisions. How to control costs? Which doctor want to control cost? For what? Doctor control cost make MORE money or LESS money? Stupid right?

Anyway now the insurance companies know lah. This is also a lesson for people who support PRIVATE HEALTH CARE. Rubbish lah. You end up pay until broke.
 
Then why buy insurance?

Haha those fucking cheebye insurance companies are really bastards. Don’t wanna pay full.

Maybe next time they go buy specs, give them half a frame. If u want full frame pls co-pay hor!

These insurance companies have no shame. Just look at Great Eastern's 2017 profits. Money no enough, wanna makan both sides!


Audited Financial Results of GEH Group for
Year Ended 31December 2017 - 1,156.5million

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Will somebody finally go after the doctors for committing FRAUD? Seems silly to keep pushing this onto the people and consumers.

Oh well. Sinkies. you deserve it!
 
cat and mouse. sinkies will game the system and counters will be met with counter-counters. machiam like playing video game. question is can sinkie civil serpents outsmart sinkie gamers? for sure they are already outsmarted by ft’s. that was a no brainer.
 
They ask for regulation on overcharging by hospitals and doctors.

Last time got guideline on fees GOF.

http://hpm.org/sg/a16/2.pdf

but CCS say not competitive

ok lah so no more regulation!

Last time sinkie say good so doctors cannot fix prices! Yeah see what happen now?

Stupid sinkies!
 
Co-pay 3k? Doctors just charge 5k more, reimburse patient 3k back in cash.. no trail.. and additional 2k in pockt.. everybody happy and nobody's the wiser.
 
Co-pay 3k? Doctors just charge 5k more, reimburse patient 3k back in cash.. no trail.. and additional 2k in pockt.. everybody happy and nobody's the wiser.

Exactly. The solution is to go after doctors and charge them for fraud. Jail them. This is criminal.

What you need is someone like me to get hired by the insurance people in Singapore to go look into all these records and procedures and then I will tell them who to report to police and who to prosecute when they have a case with all the evidence. While they purportedly do not charge, there is a record of what tests were done and relevance only doctors will know.

This is very bad.

I argued with my classmates about this too and was told to SHUT THE FUCK UP. So I left the chat group.
 
The biggest insurance rip-off is motor vehicle insurance.

Insurance company insure to the "market" value of your car but that includes the COE component....jacking up your premium payable. Even so, replacement parts of the vehicle should not be COEed again.

COE is not insurable as it is only a certificate issued by the gahmen for a ten year tenure and even if your car is stolen, write-off or disappeared from the face of the earth, any unused "entitlement" for owning that vehicle within the 10 year tenure is totally guaranteed and refundable by the gahmen.
my uncle say motor insurance is mostly a 1 way losing insurance similar to fire insurance. he say they made too much money until at times they can be extra generous to claimant. he say someone leeported a lost vehicle to mata, submit the claim with mata leeport, and received an amount equivalent to prevailing worth of the vehicle within 1month+. 1month later mata found the vehicle in a isolated place and called that someone to claim back his vehicle. that someone just sold the defunct vehicle to car dealer and never hear from the insurance company anymore.
 
Exactly. The solution is to go after doctors and charge them for fraud. Jail them. This is criminal.

What you need is someone like me to get hired by the insurance people in Singapore to go look into all these records and procedures and then I will tell them who to report to police and who to prosecute when they have a case with all the evidence. While they purportedly do not charge, there is a record of what tests were done and relevance only doctors will know.

This is very bad.

I argued with my classmates about this too and was told to SHUT THE FUCK UP. So I left the chat group.
my uncle say if any authority want to go after doctors for fraud and negligent, this world maybe left a few doctors.
 
my uncle say health insurance companies also will play punk with gov hospital. he say he know of case whereby the patient is a legitimate long hospital stay and the insurance company didn't refuse to pay but drag the case till more than 1 year still pending due to claim amount too high. he say likely the hospital just have to find way to deal with this snake like dirty insurance company.
 
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