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伊朗驻华大使：未来美国在西亚将不再拥有一席之地
伊朗驻华大使：未来美国在西亚将不再拥有一席之地
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原标题：伊朗驻华大使：未来美国在西亚将不再拥有一席之地！
伊朗驻华大使克沙瓦尔兹扎德。李昊摄
[环球时报记者 白云怡 谢文婷]编者按：没有人能预料到，21世纪20年代的开端竟然如此不平静：连日来伊朗人群情激愤高呼“对美国只剩战争一途”，伊拉克议会通过决议要把美军赶走，美国急派军舰、部队增援中东，互联网上热议“第三次世界大战”……这一切都缘起于伊朗伊斯兰革命卫队“圣城旅”指挥官苏莱曼尼遭美暗杀。有分析认为，眼下美伊爆发全面冲突的可能性比过去几十年任何时候都要大，而苏莱曼尼之死很可能成为左右未来中东局势的决定性事件。眼下，观察家们想通过各种蛛丝马迹来判断和推测伊朗接下来会做什么，比如如何“报复”，一名中情局前官员就曾对英国媒体说，“他们（伊朗人）总是以牙还牙，这流淌在他们的血液里”。6日，《环球时报》记者对伊朗驻华大使穆罕默德·克沙瓦尔兹扎德进行了一次深入采访，他明言伊朗的“报复”一定会是“非常严厉的军事行动”，而美国在波斯湾的第五舰队就是一个非法且具有恐怖主义性质的存在。他还称，未来美国在西亚将不再拥有一席之地。
“在这场争端中，美方是开启者，但我保证终结者将不会是他们”
环球时报：苏莱曼尼将军遇袭身亡后，伊朗最高领袖哈梅内伊表示，将对美国采取“严厉的报复行动”。这里的“报复行动”具体指什么？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：美国以非法和恐怖主义的方式杀害伊朗最高层级的军事将领，这不仅让伊朗数千万民众非常痛苦，甚至也让整个中东地区民众的心理遭受巨大伤害。所以，是民众要求我们以合适、严厉的报复行动来回应美国的霸权主义和恐怖主义行为。
伊朗的报复措施将一定是军事性质的行动。我们认为，目前美国在西亚广泛的军事存在都是非法的，美国在波斯湾的第五舰队更是一个非法且具有恐怖主义性质的存在。
目前，伊朗所有领导人已在伊朗最高国家安全委员会会议上批准多项针对美国的报复措施，这意味着我们一定会在合适的时间、合适的地点对美国予以报复。
伊朗驻华大使馆降半旗悼念苏莱曼尼。李昊摄
环球时报：您觉得一场全面、大规模战争在伊美间爆发的几率有多大？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：从伊朗的角度说，我们不惧怕和美国打仗，但也不会随意发动任何一场战争。现在伊朗不是在开启战争，而是美方已有所行动，予以报复是我们的权利。不是我们在打击美国的领土，而是美国打击到了我们的边境。在伊朗与美国的这场争端中，美方是开启者，但我保证终结者将不会是他们。
从美国的角度看，我不认为它有能力开启一场全面、大规模的新战争。事实上，美国并没有强大到它想象的水平，仅在亚洲美国就遭遇过许多失败，最好的例子就是阿富汗，美国为此花费几万亿美元，但最终还是不得不选择离开。但问题是，美国的领导人现在是不是足够理智，我们能否用正常的标准去评估他们的下一步行动。现在看来，美国领导人能理解的手段似乎只有不停地施压，这当然是我们不可能接受的。
环球时报：除了军事性质的报复行动，伊朗还将如何应对眼下不断升级的伊美紧张局势？对美谈判是否还能成为选项之一？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：如果说在苏莱曼尼将军被暗杀之前，伊朗和美国对话谈判的可能性是“极小”的话，那在暗杀事件发生后，这个可能性已完全消失，谈判将不再成为一个选项。
由于美国暗杀的是一名伊朗军队正式的高级统帅，因此除了军事报复，我们也将通过国际组织和国际司法程序来推动此事的解决，比如我们已向联合国安理会通报。因为美国此举不仅侵犯了伊拉克的主权和领土完整，也是对正常国际准则和法律原则的彻底违背。
环球时报：伊朗政府5日宣布中止履行伊核协议。在当前形势下，协议还有挽救的可能性吗？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：伊朗并非退出伊核协议，而恰恰是根据伊核协议框架做出的决定，因为自美国退出伊核协议后，欧盟等签约方并未完全履行承诺。事实上，如果欧盟等协议的签署方履行承诺，伊朗将随时准备恢复履行承诺。伊朗采取的所有措施都是可逆的。此外，伊朗目前仍在《核不扩散条约》的框架下和各方保持合作。
暗杀事件将成为“美国退出西亚的起点”
环球时报：苏莱曼尼将军被暗杀和美伊冲突加剧，对中东局势将造成哪些影响？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：杀害苏莱曼尼将军相当于杀死了打击“伊斯兰国”行动最强大的组织者。过去这段时间，正是因为苏莱曼尼将军的贡献，“伊斯兰国”恐怖组织才没有扩散到巴格达等地。我认为短期内这一事件会加剧该地区多个国家面临的困难与复杂局面。
但从长期来看，我认为苏莱曼尼将军被暗杀将成为美国退出西亚的起点，而这将给本地区带来更持久的和平。未来，美国在西亚将不再拥有一席之地。因为我们西亚地区的人民已经看到，美国在这一地区的军事存在不仅侵犯了我们的领土主权完整，更具有恐怖主义性质，他们对美国的厌恶和仇恨情绪已被激起，一定会强烈反对美国军队继续留在这一地区。
现在，连身在西亚的普通美国人都受到他们政府错误政策的连累。坦率讲，如今一个普通美国人在伊朗和其他很多西亚国家街头单独出行已很危险，但中国和俄罗斯的老百姓在西亚受到的待遇就完全不一样，人们会对你们很友好、很欢迎。因为这一地区的人们看到，无论是阿富汗、伊拉克，还是叙利亚、利比亚，美国军队到哪里，哪里就会发生不幸，他们认为美国是霸权主义，但中国就不是这样，你们被西亚北非人民视作好朋友。
伊朗驻华大使克沙瓦尔兹扎德。李昊摄
不会发动“独狼式”袭击，因为“我们的军事报复将足够严厉”
环球时报：美国国务院发言人近日称，美国击毙苏莱曼尼不是“暗杀”，而是有针对性地消灭“恐怖分子”。请问您如何评价这名美国官员的言论？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：且不说苏莱曼尼将军在打击“伊斯兰国”组织中发挥了积极作用，我只想问：谁是恐怖主义分子？难道现在一个国家自己做一个名单，说某个人是恐怖分子，他就是了吗？这完全是非法的程序。如果按照美国的逻辑，那我们也可以做一个名单，把美国领导人列为恐怖分子。我们已经不是在原始丛林里生活了，我们需要按现有的国际法律和规则来办事。
环球时报：美国总统特朗普不久前在推特上称，“伊朗从未赢得过任何一场战争”。您怎么评价这句话？有舆论担忧，美国暗杀苏莱曼尼将军的行动可能激起伊朗的“烈士心态”或“受难者心态”，继而引发“独狼式”袭击。对此，伊朗的态度是什么？
克沙瓦尔兹扎德：这（“伊朗从未赢得过任何一场战争”）纯粹是胡言乱语，是美国霸权主义和帝国主义式的傲慢。事实上，40年前，是美国的势力败退出了伊朗，这难道不是伊朗的胜利吗？从（1979年）伊斯兰革命至今，尽管美国一直在努力推翻伊朗政府，试图重回我们的国家，但我们始终保持独立，这是不是也是一种胜利呢？
在更久远的历史中，伊朗虽然屡次被其他民族征服，但最终的结果却是这些民族相继失败并退出伊朗，而伊朗不仅一直存在，还越来越强盛。不过，我也要强调，伊朗人并不是一个好战的民族，我们从不欢迎战争，我们只是不接受压迫。我想美国政府官员不太懂伊朗人的民族性格。
至于“独狼式”袭击，我们的军事报复将足够严厉，我们不会再寻求其他方式。我们未来做出什么报复行动，我们会向外界宣告。
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Iran's Ambassador to China: The United States will no longer have a place in West Asia in the future
Iran's Ambassador to China: The United States will no longer have a place in West Asia in the future
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Original title: Iran's Ambassador to China: The United States will no longer have a place in West Asia in the future!
Iran's Ambassador to China Kshavalzzad. Photo by Li Hao
[Global Times reporter Bai Yunyi Xie Wenting] Editor's note: No one can predict that the beginning of the 1920s turned out to be so turbulent: Iranian people have angered and shouted "there is only one way to the war in the United States" in recent days. The Iraqi parliament passed a resolution to Drive the U.S. forces away, the U.S. dispatches warships and troops to reinforce the Middle East, and the "World War III" has been hotly debated on the Internet ... All this stems from the assassination of the US Islamic Revolutionary Guards "Holy City Brigade" commander Suleimani by the United States . Some analysts believe that the current possibility of a full-scale conflict between the United States and Iran is greater than at any time in the past few decades, and the death of Suleimani is likely to become a decisive event that will shape the situation in the Middle East in the future. Right now, observers want to use various clues to judge and speculate on what Iran will do next, such as how to "revenge". A former CIA official once told the British media, "They (Iranians) always give back their teeth. In their blood. " On the 6th, a reporter from the Global Times conducted an in-depth interview with Iran's ambassador to China, Mohammed Kshavalzzad. He stated that Iran's "retaliation" would be "a very severe military operation." Fifth Fleet is an illegal and terrorist existence. He also said that the United States will no longer have a place in West Asia in the future.
"In this dispute, the United States is the initiator, but I promise the Terminator will not be them."
Global Times: After General Suleimani was killed in the attack, Iran's supreme leader Khamenei stated that he would take "severe retaliation" against the United States. What exactly is meant by "retaliation"?
Kshavalzzad: The United States killed Iran's highest-ranking military generals illegally and terrorism. This not only caused tens of millions of Iranians to suffer, but also caused psychological damage to the entire Middle East. Therefore, it is the people who demand that we respond to American hegemonism and terrorism with appropriate and severe revenge.
Iran's retaliatory measures will necessarily be military operations. We believe that the current US wide military presence in West Asia is illegal, and the US Fifth Fleet in the Persian Gulf is an illegal and terrorist existence.
At present, all Iranian leaders have approved a number of retaliatory measures against the United States at the Iranian Supreme National Security Council meeting, which means that we will definitely retaliate against the United States at the right time and place.
Iran's ambassador to China lowered its flag in memory of Suleimani. Photo by Li Hao
Global Times: How do you think a full-scale, large-scale war will break out between Iran and the United States?
Kshavalzzad: From an Iranian perspective, we are not afraid to fight the United States, but we will not start any war at will. Now Iran is not starting a war, but the United States has taken action, and it is our right to retaliate. It is not that we are hitting US territory, but that the US is hitting our borders. The US is the initiator in this Iran-U.S. Dispute, but I promise that the terminator will not be them.
From an American perspective, I don't think it has the capacity to start a comprehensive, large-scale new war. In fact, the United States is not as strong as it imagined. The United States has suffered many failures in Asia alone. The best example is Afghanistan. The United States spent several trillion dollars for this, but ultimately had to choose to leave. But the question is whether American leaders are now sane enough, can we use normal criteria to evaluate their next move. It now seems that the only way the US leaders can understand is to keep pressing, which is of course impossible for us to accept.
Global Times: In addition to military retaliatory actions, how will Iran respond to the escalating tension between Iran and the United States now? Can negotiations with the United States still be an option?
Kshavalzzad: If the possibility of Iran-U.S. Dialogue and negotiation was "very small" before the assassination of General Suleimani, then this possibility has completely disappeared after the assassination and the negotiations will No longer an option.
Since the US assassination was an official senior commander of the Iranian army, in addition to military retaliation, we will also promote the resolution of this matter through international organizations and international judicial procedures. For example, we have notified the UN Security Council. Because this move by the United States not only violates Iraq ’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, but also a complete violation of normal international norms and legal principles.
Global Times: The Iranian government announced on the 5th that it will suspend the implementation of the Iran nuclear agreement. Under the current situation, is there any possibility for the agreement to save?
Kshavalzzad: Iran is not withdrawing from the Iran nuclear agreement, but rather a decision made in accordance with the framework of the Iran nuclear agreement, because the EU and other signatories have not fully fulfilled their commitments since the US withdrew from the Iran nuclear agreement. In fact, if the signatories of agreements such as the European Union fulfill their commitments, Iran will be ready to resume fulfillment. All measures taken by Iran are reversible. In addition, Iran is still cooperating with all parties under the framework of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
The assassination will be "the starting point for the United States' withdrawal from West Asia"
Global Times: Assassination of General Suleimani and intensified conflict between the United States and Iran, what impact will it have on the situation in the Middle East?
Kshavalzzad: The killing of General Suleimani is equivalent to killing the most powerful organizers of the operation against "Islamic State". In the past period, it was precisely because of the contribution of General Suleimani that the "Islamic State" terrorist organization did not spread to Baghdad and other places. I think this incident will exacerbate the difficulties and complications faced by many countries in the region in the short term.
But in the long run, I think the assassination of General Suleimani will be the starting point for the United States' withdrawal from West Asia, which will bring more lasting peace to the region. In the future, the United States will no longer have a place in West Asia. Because the people of our West Asia region have seen that the military presence of the United States in this region not only violates our territorial sovereignty, but also has a terrorist nature. Their disgust and hatred towards the United States have been aroused and they will definitely oppose it. US troops continue to remain in the area.
Now even the average American in West Asia is suffering from the wrong policies of their government. Frankly speaking, it is now dangerous for an ordinary American to travel alone on the streets of Iran and many other West Asian countries, but Chinese and Russian people are treated differently in West Asia. People will be very friendly and welcome to you. Because people in this area see that no matter whether it is Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, or Libya, wherever the U.S. military goes, unfortunate things happen. They think that the United States is hegemonism, but this is not the case in China. Be good friends.
Iran's Ambassador to China Kshavalzzad. Photo by Li Hao
No "lone wolf" attack will be launched because "our military retaliation will be severe enough"
Global Times: A US State Department spokesman said recently that the US killing of Suleimani was not a "assassination" but a targeted elimination of "terrorists." How would you rate the remarks of this US official?
Kshavalzzad: Not to mention General Suleimani's active role in combating the "Islamic State" organization, I just want to ask: Who are the terrorists? Is it true that a country makes a list of itself and says that someone is a terrorist, is he? This is completely illegal procedure. If we follow the logic of the United States, we can also make a list of American leaders as terrorists. We are no longer living in the primitive jungle, we need to act in accordance with existing international laws and rules.
Global Times: US President Trump recently tweeted that "Iran has never won any war." How do you rate this sentence? There is public concern that the US assassination of General Suleimani may arouse Iran's "martyr mentality" or "victim mentality" and then trigger a "lone wolf" attack. What is Iran's attitude towards this?
Kshavalzzad: This ("Iran has never won any war") is purely nonsense, and it is American hegemony and imperialism. In fact, 40 years ago, it was the defeat of the US forces that withdrew from Iran. Isn't this a victory for Iran? Since the Islamic Revolution (1979), although the United States has been trying to overthrow the Iranian government and trying to return to our country, we have always maintained independence. Is this also a victory?
In a longer history, although Iran has been conquered by other peoples repeatedly, the end result is that these peoples have successively failed and withdrawn from Iran. Iran not only has always existed, but has also become more and more powerful. However, I also want to emphasize that the Iranians are not a belligerent nation. We never welcome war, we just do not accept oppression. I think US government officials don't quite understand the national character of Iranians.
As for the "lone wolf" attack, our military retaliation will be severe enough, and we will not seek other ways. What revenge we will take in the future, we will announce to the outside world.
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