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More expats come to steal our jobs - they ask for LOCAL packages to compete with us

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http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/news/story/0,4574,401791,00.html?

Published August 31, 2010

More expats coming on local packages

By MALMINDERJIT SINGH


(SINGAPORE) The economy may be recovering fast from the recession, but companies here are still cautious about their bottom lines.

And as a result, new expatriates are no longer offered the sort of packages their peers once enjoyed. According to headhunters BT spoke to, expat compensation packages have become more localised in content and structure.

'Compensation design for foreign talent has changed. Things such as housing and children's education allowances are not included anymore,' says Tulika Tripathi, managing director of Michael Page International in Singapore.

'Even though the economy is growing, companies are still mindful of economic uncertainty. So costs are considered carefully. You will find that variable compensation, such as targeted bonuses and stock options, now play a bigger role while some banks have even included minimum guaranteed bonuses in packages. But having said that, some companies still offer their senior staff housing allowances.'

Peony Lim, associate director (sales and marketing, engineering and supply chain) at Robert Walters, adds: 'There has been a shift away from expatriate packages towards localised packages and we see this trend continuing for the next couple of years. These go across most salary levels, up to about $200,000 per annum. If at all, there will be some relocation assistance and, at best, housing allowance for the first year. This is reserved for mainly internal transfers across different countries versus the hiring of new foreign candidates into a Singapore-based opportunity.'

A multinational BT spoke to agreed with this salary distinction for new hires from abroad. 'For those coming on their own, they are more likely to be offered localised terms,' said Esther Look, a spokeswoman (pharma) for Roche Singapore.

Ms Lim said: 'Should expatriate packages be offered - again reserved for senior management, internal transfers and very niche positions where there is a scarcity of local talent available - we do see packages including allowances for relocation, housing, education and transport. However, these have changed in terms of the total quantum.

She gives the example of a director of a company who may have enjoyed a housing allowance of $10,000 a month three years ago but may now have an allowance of 50-80 per cent of that. 'This would mean the candidate has to make some concessions on the size and location of their accommodation of choice,' she says.

Asked if such changes are a global or regional trend, Ms Tripathi says that in markets such as China, where there is greater emphasis on growth and medium-term investment, expat packages are more attractive as salary differentials are greater. The Philippines, she says, is another market where expat salaries are higher, since they are paid in US dollars.

Even so, Singapore is still an attractive destination for expats. 'My motivation to come to Singapore was certainly not salary but rather opportunity, as I was offered a very similar salary to my UK university package,' says Dr Martin Hibberd, who heads the Infectious Diseases laboratory at the Agency for Science, Technology and Research's (A*Star) Genome Institute of Singapore (GIS).

'Although successful at writing grants in the UK, the projects supported tended to be small and difficult to put together into large- scale, transformational science,' he says. 'Working for A*Star offered the chance to change that, to put in place cutting-edge technologies that would make an impact. I gave up a permanent 'tenured' position for a short-time contract here, to really try to make a difference to the world of infectious diseases.'

According to Ms Tripathi, besides enjoying attractive opportunities, foreigners coming to Singapore value the English-language medium here and the availability of quality English education for their children.

Ms Lim also cites other factors, such as Singapore's safe and conducive environment in which to raise a family, efficient infrastructure and multi-racial society, where foreigners coming in can easily find a support group from their respective communities.

Both headhunters point out that with Asia's growth making the region an attractive place, more foreigners will look towards Singapore as a good landing point.

In Sunday night's National Day Rally speech, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said Singapore will see about 80,000 more foreign workers this year to sustain strong economic growth without running the risk of overheating. According to the headhunters, financial services and healthcare are frontrunners to hire more foreign talent.

Ms Tripathi believes operational roles and wealth management are key areas in the financial industry. 'More banks are setting up their operations hubs in Singapore, so more staff with relevant skills and experience will be moved here. And with compliance and technology playing even greater roles, more specialist skills in these areas will be needed.'

She also says wealth management has become a lot more exciting in Singapore than in some of the traditional markets in Europe, and since private banking expertise is limited here, a lot more talent in this area will move here from places such as the UK.

A private banker confirmed this to BT, saying: 'Private banking is certainly hiring more in Singapore and it is no longer just organic building. We are looking to bring in seasoned bankers; that's why demand is more than the supply.' He also confirmed that the tendency is to offer more localised packages to new hires and that, increasingly, bankers from Europe are coming to Singapore.

Ms Tripathi also identifies healthcare as a growing area, and reckons there will be a need for more managerial expertise from Switzerland and the UK, as Singapore emerges as an R&D hub in this field.

Ms Lim adds that as R&D grows here, the demand for research talent is increasing, so there is a trend of more PhDs coming from China to Singapore.

'With Asia fast emerging as a global powerhouse in the bio-pharmaceutical industry, it is clear that many bio-pharma professionals throughout the world will be attracted to the tremendous opportunities the region offers,' according a spokesman for bio and pharma services provider Quintiles. 'Serving as an established base for global companies to tap on the region's opportunities, Singapore is an attractive place for professionals to develop their career.'

Ms Tripathi points out: 'The relative attractiveness of Singapore and Asia compared with the UK has increased, while the opportunity cost of working here has decreased.'

However, it seems that some companies in the healthcare industry hire more from the UK and Europe than the other traditional markets. Ms Look, from Roche Singapore, emphasises: 'We have not recruited any PhDs from China and India. Our PhD candidates come from Roche affiliates in Germany, the UK and Switzerland.'

And according to an A*Star spokesman: 'Our (A*Star) community has an international character, with more than half of our total population of 2,300 research scientists and engineers hailing from more than 50 countries. Indeed, the number coming from Europe including the UK has grown steadily in the past few years.'
 

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Honestly, we do understand a need for foreigners to come & work here. The are certain jobs which the locals cannot fill. But, the government must have labour laws that protect the 'ricebowls' of their citizens, not just lip service & not allow cheap foreign labours to depress local wages & make their citizens jobless. So what with the upgrading your skills thing, at the end of the day, a person looses out to employers who will employ a foreigner worker over a local one. What is the use of upgrading one skills?, it is a waste of time.

The workers of SINgapore must be well protected, to ensure that they must have the first bite in any economic pie, be able to put square meals on their tables, pay for their housing, children's needs & education, health costs & feed an expensive government.
 

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Not only there are no effective control on workers, there seems to be no control on the type of company registered in Singapore.

Know of a Indian from India, setting up "questionable company", bring his families and his village clan all over. :mad:

Shouldn't there a need to verify the types of business and the required track record. In this case, that guy don't even own a company in India!

Sad, the PAP Govt only interested in flooding the Island with people and companies just to boost up our GDP numbers. :mad:
 

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This is a good thing isn't it?
As long as he is doing something no Sinkie is capable of doing.
 

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must stay competitive!
 

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must stay competitive!

Tell me how to be competitive, you have the same qualifications or more than the FT. You go apply for a job, the HR is a FT, the middle management are FT's, the entire FT villagers are working there. They employ a 'token', we the citizens of SINgapore.

We have to compete with our own countrymen for the 'tokens' positions, plus the hordes of cheap, cheaper, betterer, fasterer FT's.

You tell me, how to be competitive!?:mad:
 

manokie

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Tell me how to be competitive, you have the same qualifications or more than the FT. You go apply for a job, the HR is a FT, the middle management are FT's, the entire FT villagers are working there. They employ a 'token', we the citizens of SINgapore.

We have to compete with our own countrymen for the 'tokens' positions, plus the hordes of cheap, cheaper, betterer, fasterer FT's.

You tell me, how to be competitive!?:mad:

Go into Civil Service

Only place where FT has not invaded yet
 

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Go into Civil Service

Only place where FT has not invaded yet

The civil service is no longer the golden ricebowls of yesteryears, but least we forget, that there were massive retrenchements on the sly & attrition in the past. Remember who started the ball rolling with the 'golden handshakes' to those reaching retirement age & those retiring & even down to those 35 years old an above. What is the use of working tp 65 and beyond..when management 'eyeball' you; and silently tells you, "you have to go"!!

This all lipservice..:mad:
 

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KNN what is local packages?

Subsidized accommdation allowance? stocks options? guaranteed bonus? ARE THESE ACTUALLY localised? headhunters usually these terms to "soothe"the locals,,,, but damn bloody idiotic singaporean still buying their ko yio....

Localised means regardless expats or locals, no difference,,,,,,,,,,,,

Localised package,,,,,,,,,, f****** oxymoronic term
 

saratogas

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Local package include fucking our local girls n try to settle down here when things are going well.
 

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1. Why no FT in the Civil Service to help improve its service to the people?

2. Dont the Civil Service want to improve?

3. Else, dont the Civil Service believe in talents that FT will bring into the organization?

Go into Civil Service

Only place where FT has not invaded yet
 

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How can locals be competitive when they are hindered by NS labilities & expect a liveable wage :confused:
 

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How can locals be competitive when they are hindered by NS labilities & expect a liveable wage :confused:

In USA, you can go to a good university for a masters, JD, MBA, PhD to stay competitive. There are enough opportunity for even the average person to get upgraded. I have seen very average americans get into top schools.

In SG, doubt we can say the same. The opportunities are only open to a select group.

Education is the main way for anyone to stay competitive.
 

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In USA, you can go to a good university for a masters, JD, MBA, PhD to stay competitive. There are enough opportunity for even the average person to get upgraded. I have seen very average americans get into top schools.

In SG, doubt we can say the same. The opportunities are only open to a select group.

Education is the main way for anyone to stay competitive.


From personal observation, those who have received a foreign education know what it's really going on inside & outside of Spore.

A good education allows one the choice of moving elsewhere such as to Australia, Canada, US,.... Many of my schoolmates have already re-located & made a life for themselves outside Spore

Among my current colleagues who are educated & highly paid many are planning to eventually leave Spore. Some have already invested in foreign properties. I've observed that it is usually the females who seem to think there's a future in Spore :smile: Usually those working in accounts :biggrin:

I still see some of my old friends who are now ex-Sporeans visiting their relatives but their visits are getting to be more rare :(
 

manokie

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From personal observation, those who have received a foreign education know what it's really going on inside & outside of Spore.

A good education allows one the choice of moving elsewhere such as to Australia, Canada, US,.... Many of my schoolmates have already re-located & made a life for themselves outside Spore

Among my current colleagues who are educated & highly paid many are planning to eventually leave Spore. Some have already invested in foreign properties. I've observed that it is usually the females who seem to think there's a future in Spore :smile: Usually those working in accounts :biggrin:

I still see some of my old friends who are now ex-Sporeans visiting their relatives but their visits are getting to be more rare :(


The problem is that in Singapore, whenever they ask people to upgrade their skills, they do it without connecting the dots on the other end. They don't ensure a supply of top trainers who can carry out training of relevant skills or work with employers to ensure that these trained people can really hold on to their jobs. This is typical of an ivory tower kind of planning system. The top management are pretty good at planning stuff and making forecasts but the mid-management often bungle at implementing the plan. Look at YOG as an example. :rolleyes:

I think for older batches of Singaporeans, its much much easier to immigrate to other countries, when CN/NZ/Aus were so relaxed some years ago.

If you have noticed, there are tonnes of PRC who can speak very good English in US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Not only that, these countries have closed their immigration channels after they got enough people. What's the difference between a PRC and Singaporean? Not much.
I have to tell you, to any Westerner, a Singaporean is just like a PRC, both ethnicity and language ability.

I predict that the current generation of Singaporeans really have to rely on either their true ability to migrate out of Singapore or rely on marriages. No more easy green pastures. :o
 

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As Deputy Assistant Commissioner of Inland Revenue, I, an American, invaded IRAS. No place is safe.
 

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Not true - look in the MOM - they already have ang mohs working there behind the scene and they are not particularly dazzling.

In years to come, alot of our policies will be determined by those FTs turned PR. It was a foreifn policy that totally went wrong. The problem is, who opened the floodgate? Everyday when I take the MRT and the train passes by stations with alot of Singaporeans stuck outside, I sometime wonder who they had actually voted for.
 

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I heard most recruiters in recuritment agencies are also FT.:p

Tell me how to be competitive, you have the same qualifications or more than the FT. You go apply for a job, the HR is a FT, the middle management are FT's, the entire FT villagers are working there. They employ a 'token', we the citizens of SINgapore.

We have to compete with our own countrymen for the 'tokens' positions, plus the hordes of cheap, cheaper, betterer, fasterer FT's.

You tell me, how to be competitive!?:mad:
 

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The civil service is no longer the golden ricebowls of yesteryears, but least we forget, that there were massive retrenchements on the sly & attrition in the past. Remember who started the ball rolling with the 'golden handshakes' to those reaching retirement age & those retiring & even down to those 35 years old an above. What is the use of working tp 65 and beyond..when management 'eyeball' you; and silently tells you, "you have to go"!!

This all lipservice..:mad:

Fat hope, You wont be offered rehire at 62 becos PSD insists your work performance must be good or better to be offered rehire... vs private sector's satisfactory work performance esp union represented companies. The partners of Tripartite Alliance of SNEF n NTUC have been taken for a ride////

Another double standard.......
 
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