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http://www.todayonline.com/Singapor...ssion-model,-say-financial-advisers,-managers

Keep commission model, say financial advisers, managers

by Teo Xuanwei Updated 04:39 PM Aug 29, 2012

SINGAPORE - An ad-hoc alliance of about 15,000 financial advisers and managers are hoping to sway a review panel, which is considering, among other things, doing away with the commission model that most insurance and financial advisory firms use.

The alliance is arguing that the move towards a fee-only model - essentially a fixed fee for advisory services - would endanger the livelihood of the financial advisers.

It is also refuting an assertion by Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) Managing Director Ravi Menon that the commissions can amount to 160 per cent of the annual premium of a product.

Five months after Mr Menon dropped the bombshell that it is looking at lowering the costs of insurance products by way of scrapping the commission-based model and the multi-tier distribution structure, a task force from the alliance argued against the proposed changes at a one-hour meeting with the Financial Advisory Industry Review (FAIR) panel last Tuesday.

The following day, the task force's chairman, Mr Leong Sow Hoe, sent a memo to the alliance's members updating them on the meeting, which he wrote that he left "feeling optimistic".

The alliance includes the Insurance and Financial Practitioners Association of Singapore and insurance firms, among others.

According to the memo, which TODAY has obtained, it argued forcefully against the move towards a fee-only model because it would "not only break our rice bowl, but would not achieve the national objective of increasing coverage and penetration".

Mr Menon had said the "overriding aim" of FAIR is to "protect and benefit the consumer", citing how the commissions are pushing up the cost of the products.

The commission-based model also risks conflicts of interest between adviser and client because advisers may try to sell mainly policies that command higher commission, he added.

But the task force refuted these, saying its research showed that the "norm" was closer to 120 per cent of annual premiums and that "bread-and-butter policies form the bulk".

Doing away with a multi-tier distribution structure - the agent gets commission, his boss gets a cut and the latter's manager gets another cut - would also "(compromise) quality of supervision", it argued.

Citing statistics on the income of financial agents and managers which were purportedly "below the national norm", as well as "unadorned" with CPF contributions or medical benefits, Mr Leong wrote: "Any cut in commissions would render some or even most of us out of a job."

Mr Leong pointed out that the United Kingdom and Australia, which have a fee-based model, have seen an "industry exodus, with the remaining mainly elderly agents serving the well-off".

Mr Leong also wrote that consumers it surveyed do not want a fee-based system as well. Rather, they want "personal interaction with advisers, who stay on for the long term to service them through the different stages of their life, and to settle the claims they have to make in times of distress", he said.

Yesterday, Mr Leong told TODAY the task force's presentation was "quite well-received, going by my own gut feel", by the FAIR panel chaired by MAS Assistant Managing Director for Capital Markets Lee Chuan Teck.

He added that Mr Lee remarked that it gave the panel a better comprehension of issues from the perspectives of practitioners and that the research and surveys would help them in their deliberations.

When contacted, an MAS spokesperson said the FAIR panel has been engaging many stakeholders and discussions are ongoing.

"We continue to welcome views and suggestions on how we can achieve the objectives of raising the professionalism of the industry and representatives, as well as enhancing the efficiency of distribution of financial products," she added.
 
http://www.todayonline.com/Singapor...ssion-model,-say-financial-advisers,-managers

Keep commission model, say financial advisers, managers

by Teo Xuanwei Updated 04:39 PM Aug 29, 2012

SINGAPORE - An ad-hoc alliance of about 15,000 financial advisers and managers are hoping to sway a review panel, which is considering, among other things, doing away with the commission model that most insurance and financial advisory firms use.

The alliance is arguing that the move towards a fee-only model - essentially a fixed fee for advisory services - would endanger the livelihood of the financial advisers.

It is also refuting an assertion by Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) Managing Director Ravi Menon that the commissions can amount to 160 per cent of the annual premium of a product.

Five months after Mr Menon dropped the bombshell that it is looking at lowering the costs of insurance products by way of scrapping the commission-based model and the multi-tier distribution structure, a task force from the alliance argued against the proposed changes at a one-hour meeting with the Financial Advisory Industry Review (FAIR) panel last Tuesday.

The following day, the task force's chairman, Mr Leong Sow Hoe, sent a memo to the alliance's members updating them on the meeting, which he wrote that he left "feeling optimistic".

The alliance includes the Insurance and Financial Practitioners Association of Singapore and insurance firms, among others.

According to the memo, which TODAY has obtained, it argued forcefully against the move towards a fee-only model because it would "not only break our rice bowl, but would not achieve the national objective of increasing coverage and penetration".

Mr Menon had said the "overriding aim" of FAIR is to "protect and benefit the consumer", citing how the commissions are pushing up the cost of the products.

The commission-based model also risks conflicts of interest between adviser and client because advisers may try to sell mainly policies that command higher commission, he added.

But the task force refuted these, saying its research showed that the "norm" was closer to 120 per cent of annual premiums and that "bread-and-butter policies form the bulk".

Doing away with a multi-tier distribution structure - the agent gets commission, his boss gets a cut and the latter's manager gets another cut - would also "(compromise) quality of supervision", it argued.

Citing statistics on the income of financial agents and managers which were purportedly "below the national norm", as well as "unadorned" with CPF contributions or medical benefits, Mr Leong wrote: "Any cut in commissions would render some or even most of us out of a job."

Mr Leong pointed out that the United Kingdom and Australia, which have a fee-based model, have seen an "industry exodus, with the remaining mainly elderly agents serving the well-off".

Mr Leong also wrote that consumers it surveyed do not want a fee-based system as well. Rather, they want "personal interaction with advisers, who stay on for the long term to service them through the different stages of their life, and to settle the claims they have to make in times of distress", he said.

Yesterday, Mr Leong told TODAY the task force's presentation was "quite well-received, going by my own gut feel", by the FAIR panel chaired by MAS Assistant Managing Director for Capital Markets Lee Chuan Teck.

He added that Mr Lee remarked that it gave the panel a better comprehension of issues from the perspectives of practitioners and that the research and surveys would help them in their deliberations.

When contacted, an MAS spokesperson said the FAIR panel has been engaging many stakeholders and discussions are ongoing.

"We continue to welcome views and suggestions on how we can achieve the objectives of raising the professionalism of the industry and representatives, as well as enhancing the efficiency of distribution of financial products," she added.

Insurance is another financial MLM like property but is allowed to grow a lot more in the virtual world. If used properly, it can serve as a weapon for SGP to grow its wealth. Ravi is a damned fool like the rest of them in understanding the market. Just green eyed over stupid fools who now have lots of money from commission. All blame on fool kuan yew who does not understand how the world is run. Think he know everything and can be even smarter than his colonial handlers in USA, UK and PRC. Well watch and learn as they start to create deleveraging very much like 34.1% in 1985. Their brain is still 128kb. Typical humans in the world are 2.5petabytes, too many zeros for fool kuan yew and his sub 128kb people to see.
 
I am for the fee based model. That way both rich and poor gets the same service as well as driving down overall insurance costs.
 
I am for the fee based model. That way both rich and poor gets the same service as well as driving down overall insurance costs.

Good point. It's nice to see someone here who can analyse situations well.
 
LPPL....demand and supply always take over and the market will usually seek an equilibrium.
Meanwhile, the market suffers both ends due to uncertainty in policies and mode of compensation.

TKL had tried to take away the middle-man for motor insurance and he took a hike.
 
I am for the fee based model. That way both rich and poor gets the same service as well as driving down overall insurance costs.

the commission based model benefits only the managers who are taking an override on their minions' hardwork.
 
I am for the fee based model. That way both rich and poor gets the same service as well as driving down overall insurance costs.

You're an idiot! If you were rich you would pay more for better service while the poor can only pay for less quality of service as well as the extend of the services. This is same like prostitution which Sam knows very well. Only a fucktard will argue that fee based services will lead to similar quailty of services for rich and poor.
 
I am all for fee based model since i know a fair bit of insurance. No need the agents to dictate my needs. Anyway, all reviews by agents sure to ask you to buy more insurance.... lol :D
 
It is also refuting an assertion by Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) Managing Director Ravi Menon that the commissions can amount to 160 per cent of the annual premium of a product.

iPhone 4, rich man or poor man buy, it is still an iPhone 4.

All baaka together, sell you at 2.6x cost, profit margin 160%, split between underwriter and salespeople.

Which part you all don't understand har? :confused::rolleyes:
 
The main question is if insurance companies do away with commission, will they plough the savings back into the products to reduce the premiums? I doubt so... they reduce sales people payout, they increase bottomline for shareholders and all things remain status quo.. even the premiums, never increase "tao chio" liao.. still dream of decrease.. I simply refuse to believe that a group of high-level people will get together to crack their brains to help make things more affordable. The last time something similar happened was when a few high-level wayang people came together and brainstormed the "distance-based" MRT fare to "help" people save transport costs.... We all know how that panned out.. :rolleyes:
 
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