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Mao Zedong thanked Japanese for invading China ( Sino-Japanese war )

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Communist Chinks CCP are despicable. That is why I support Chiang Kai Shek. Long live ROC !!! If only China was ruled by Chiang Kai Shek's ROC !!!!


Mao's speech on welcoming Japanese politicians(24 Jan 1961):


" Partial translation:In the past Japanese warlords had occupied a large part of China, because of that Chinese people had learned a lesson. Without Japan's invasion, Chinese people would not be awaken, neither colud they be united, in that case we(communists) would still stay in the mountains, let alone coming to Beijing to watch the opera. Precisely because of the Japanese Imperial Army, which had occupied a large part of China, making Chinese people no where to go, once they understood, they began taking up arm-struggle, resulting in the establish of many counter-Japanese military bases, thus creating favourable conditions for the coming war of liberation. Japanese capitalist and warlords have done a good deed for us(communist), if ever we need to say thank you, I would like to say Thank you to Japanese war lords. "


[史海钩沉] 毛泽东:会见日本社会党议员黑田寿男等人时的谈话全文(1961/1/24)


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  译者按:中国政府很少公布领导人接见外国客人的谈话内容,最多只是公布其中的只言片语,所以要知道中国领导人接见外国客人时的具体谈话全文,只得查找外国的资料。毛泽东1960年代会见日本社会党代表团的谈话,被不少人指责为“感谢日本皇军”的卖国言论。日本可以查到日方记录的毛泽东谈话全文,故将该谈话的全文译出供网友参考。


从该谈话可以看出1960年代日本的左派与中国的关系非常密切,有大量的所谓“亲中派”,这当然与毛泽东的“不必道歉”发言有直接关系。如果毛泽东非要日方先道歉后会谈,中日关系大概就是另外一回事了。不过现在的日本就很难找到黑田寿男、南乡三郎这样的 “铁杆亲中派”了。


另外从该谈话也可以看出日本对言论自由的容忍程度要比中国大得多。日本人竟然敢公开说出“将来日本变成中国的一个省就好了”,这样卖国卖到极点的话,也没有遇到什么麻烦。而中国人谁敢公开说“将来中国变成日本的一个省就好了”这样的极端卖国言论,非让愤怒的群众抽筋剥皮不可。这也可以让我们思考一下为什么中国人的言论自由里没有 “卖国言论”的自由。


由于是译自日文(《日中关系基本资料集》,日本外务省亚洲局中国科监修),毛泽东的原话在词句上可能有些出入,但谈话的内容不至有误。


  毛泽东主席(以下简称毛):欢迎日本朋友。首先对被暗杀的浅沼委员长表示我们的哀悼。(浅沼稻次郎(1898~1960),日本社会党委员长,日本安保斗争的领导人。1957年4月和1959年3月,浅沼曾两次率领社会党代表团访中。1960年10月12日在东京日比谷公会堂演讲时,被一名日本右翼青年当场刺死。译者注。)


黑田寿男社会党议员(以下简称黑田):非常感谢!我们将继承浅沼委员长“美帝国主义是日中两国人民的共同敌人”的精神,并把它发扬光大。


毛:浅沼委员长抓住了问题的本质,抓住了日美关系的本质,也抓住了中国、日本、亚洲、非洲、拉丁美洲、还有欧洲、北美加拿大等全世界各国人民的根本问题。以前我曾经对浅沼委员长说过:“赞成这个观点的人,虽然有时多些,有时少些,但今后肯定会向变多的方向发展。”


毛主席继续说(以下简称毛继续):对美国来说,单靠美国自己是不能支配其它国家的,所以美国需要其它国家的合作者。那些美国的合作者,对各国来说就是反动派。这样的反动派,在中国是蒋介石,在日本则是岸信介那样的人,他们是垄断资本的代表。垄断资本各国都有,印度也有大垄断资本家。


黑田:去年日本反对《日美安保条约》的斗争有了很大的发展,但日本垄断资本家和政府压迫我们的斗争,强行表决通过了《安保条约》。当时,贵国为支援我们的安保斗争召开了盛大集会,我们受到很大的鼓舞和激励。对此我们深表谢意。


毛:感谢就不用了。对我们来说,支持你们是义不容辞的事。任何时候国际斗争都需要相互支援,现在你们站在了斗争的最前线。


毛继续:以前浅沼代表团来武汉时〔包括现在坐在这儿的田中稔男先生〕,我就说过:“美帝国主义是全世界共同的敌人,即使现在大多数日本人不赞成这个观点,但早晚肯定会有赞成的一天,我们要有这个信心。”不出所料,在不到一年后的1960年,日本就出现了如火如荼的斗争,那是日本全民族的斗争。那时我还这样说过:“中日两国的关系还没有正常化,还没有进行贸易往来。但这只是一时的现象,肯定要随着时间变化的”。现在贸易方面已经出现了转变,但在政治方面还不行。


毛继续:政治上的问题有两个方面,这里有必要分析一下。历史上,广大日本人民和中国人民的关系是好的,战后也一直很好,今后大概会更好。不过中国和日本自民党政府以及垄断资本家的关系并不好,而且将来也肯定不会好。在这方面必须要区别对待,要区别对待与人民的关系和与政府的关系。再说日本政府内部步调也不统一,有所谓主流派、反主流派,他们并不完全一致。比如松村、三木、石桥、高碕、河野等派阀,对我们来说,他们是我们间接的同盟军;而对你们来说,中国人民就是你们直接的同盟军。自民党内部的矛盾造就了我们的间接同盟军,不是这样吗,我的话还有点道理吧?


黑田:自民党的反主流派如果更进一步加深对中国的认识,加深对《日美安保条约》的认识,就可能会成为间接的同盟军。


毛:他们的分歧正在扩大。他们之间的对立冲突,对人民是有利的。欧洲和美国之间的关系也出现这个现象,欧洲的殖民主义国家和美国也不完全一致。重要的是全世界人民正在觉醒,你们对亚、非、拉发起过什么运动吗?


黑田:在日本,亚非联合委员会正在开展活动。这个团体以政党、工会、民主团体为中心,从反对美帝国主义、维护和平的立场出发,开展谴责美帝国主义阻挠亚、非各民族独立的运动。我们正考虑今后继续扩大和发展这个组织。


毛:我也认为有这个必要。


黑田:目前面临的是老挝问题,美帝国主义正在军事干涉老挝的独立。因为美帝国主义根据《日美安保条约》使用日本的军事基地,日本的政党、工会以及各种团体正在发起抗议运动,到美国大使馆和池田内阁那里去抗议,鼓励老挝人民的斗争。


毛:我认为这样做非常好。


黑田:现在有一个问题,日本政府把南朝鲜政府作为代表朝鲜的唯一合法政府,正在进行所谓“日韩会谈”,阻挠南北朝鲜的和平统一。日本、台湾、南朝鲜与美帝国主义相勾结,企图把中、苏作为假想敌国。我们一贯反对《日美安保条约》,强烈反对这样的“日韩会谈”。


毛:那个会谈还在进行吗?


黑田:是的。


毛:完全有反对的必要。在菲律宾马尼拉,台湾、南朝鲜、南越、菲律宾的四个“外交部长”召开了两天会议,日本没有参加会议。那是因为日本政府害怕日本人民、害怕去年反对《安保条约》那样的反抗斗争。去年日本人民的伟大斗争具有深远的影响,所以才有现在的情况。


毛继续:日本人民反美斗争的发展是波浪式的。现在反对美帝国主义的斗争正处在低潮,虽然一时比较低,但那是在为下一个新的高潮做准备。众所周知,过去几十年中国革命的发展也是波浪式的,并非每天每年都是高潮,不是直线式的。我认为各位朋友指导的群众运动大有希望,大有前途。在低潮的时候,一部分人对运动产生了动摇,还有一部分人指责说:“看,左派们错了!”在这时候我认为有必要用中国的一句话:“硬着头皮顶住!”


毛继续:举个例子吧。辛亥革命那年,1911年3月29日(阴历,阳历为4月27日,译者注),留学日本的黄兴,他是孙中山之下的国民党另一派领导人,在广州发动了军事起义。由于这个起义的失败,国民党内的一部分人气馁了,黄兴本人也灰心失望逃往新加坡,悲观地认为革命已经没了希望。但其后不久,同年10月武昌爆发了武装起义,终于推翻了清王朝。还有,1905年俄国革命失败后,社会民主劳动党内的很多人对未来悲观失望,其中还有人到了要倚赖“神”的地步,比如鲁纳契尔斯基等人就是这样。列宁为了反驳鲁纳契尔斯基,埋头研究哲学,写出了《唯物论和经验论批判》。12年后的1917年革命胜利后,鲁纳契尔斯基当了列宁领导政权的教育部长,这是那些指望倚赖“神”的人根本没有料想到的,而且这时那些倚赖“神”的人也不再需要“神”了。我认为日本的历史中也可以找到同样的例子。


毛继续:为什么革命不能立即胜利?因为在发达的资本主义国家搞革命要费点力气。革命首先在资本主义发达程度比较落后的国家成功,不就是因为那里的空气稀薄容易突破吗?比如俄国和中国的空气就稀薄,目前的非洲空气也比较稀薄。在美英法德意日等过去的资本主义列强中,现在的日本要软弱一些。其原因第一是战败,第二是被美国所支配。在我看来,这两个原因从某种意义上来说是有利的。


毛继续:第一,战败对日本人民是有利的,丢掉了殖民地。对于日本人民和革命政党来说,这样的认识很重要:战败不是耻辱,战败是垄断资本家的耻辱。对垄断资本家来说是耻辱,对人民来说却是胜利。战败好不好?是不是耻辱?这个问题应该和大家广泛讨论。不过一部分人并不这么看,对这些人来说,战败很丢面子,所以他们心里总是感到抱歉,觉得象做了坏事一样。这是因为他们没有搞清楚垄断资本和人民的区别,所以才得出这样的结论。过去的战争,日本的垄断资本政府和军国主义分子应该负责任,日本人民不应该负责任。为什么不让日本人民负责呢?如果非要让日本人民负责,我们就不得不反对日本人民了,这是毫无道理的。过去的战争,事实上是一场由垄断资本政府发起的战争:一来违背人民的意愿,二来欺骗人民,三来逼迫人民献身杀场。


毛继续:第二,战争的结果使日本被美国占领,这点也有分析研究的必要。一个国家要觉醒,必须给这个国家一点外来压力。在日本,垄断资本压迫人民,他们的同盟美帝国主义也压迫人民,这就可以让日本人民更快地受教育。这个教育使日本人民明白必须选择一条出路:是沦为垄断资本和帝国主义的奴隶,还是起来反抗争取自由。我曾说过这样的话: “我不相信日本这样的伟大民族会长期被外国支配。”我们中国人民也是这样受教育过来的,我们有国内的敌人,也有国外的敌人,国外的敌人中包括日本军阀,他们是老师,教育了我们。


毛继续:过去一位日本日中贸易进出口协会的朋友(日中输出入组合理事长南乡三郎,译者注)曾对我说:“日本过去侵略了中国,这实在是太对不起了。我认为将来日本变成中国的一个省就好了。”那时我说:“不能这么看嘛。”我这样回答了他:“日本军阀过去占领了大半个中国,因此中国人民接受了教育。如果没有日本的侵略,中国人民既不能觉悟,也不会团结起来,这样一来我们现在还在山里,就不能到北京看京剧了。正是因为日本皇军占领了大半个中国,对中国人民来说已没有其它出路了,所以才觉悟起来开始武装斗争,建立了许多抗日根据地,为以后的解放战争创造了胜利的条件。日本垄断资本和军阀给我们做了件‘好事’,如果需要感谢的话,我倒想感谢日本军阀。”
 
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Inferior Chinese leadership of modern China from 1900's to 2015 to blame for the degrading Chinese morals,integrity behaviours.Japs killed 20 million chinese. Mao Zedong and his chaotic communist ( Inferior chink leadership) starved to death 40-70 million Chinese and totally destroyed traditional Chinese culture and to make things worse to the wounds Mao Zedong even thanked the Japanese.

BEING CHINESE SUCKS. PEROID! Chinks were historically the world richest nation, economically and technologically but were shit in the last 115 years now they are the shitiest of the shit in 21st century ( lack morals, pride, integrity )


LONG LIVE CHIANG KAI SHEK. Our true leader for preserving traditional Chinese culture. Not to mention it was KMT that was fighting against the Japs.

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Yes, Chiang Kai Shek may have been corrupt and have killed 10,000-30,000 Taiwanese, ruled with a iron fist but at least he was a true Chinese at core. He preserved traditional Chinese culture and that is why people of Taiwan are very civilized.

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I have been observing u for days....

Here's why u suck at being an online persona and here are some of your giveaways :D

You are "LOUD" in your postings for a newbie

The way u register your nick. Don't have to try too hard. An ordinary name would do. :D

Your hours online and postings are the same as gopal's clones - a clone that the PAP IB uses for profanities over the reputation system and in the open.

I know what your clones will do next :D





 


I have been observing u for days....

Here's why u suck at being an online persona and here are some of your giveaways :D

You are "LOUD" in your postings for a newbie

The way u register your nick. Don't have to try too hard. An ordinary name would do. :D

Your hours online and postings are the same as gopal's clones - a clone that the PAP IB uses for profanities over the reputation system and in the open.

I know what your clones will do next :D




What exactly are you trying to say? and can you refute my claims?

If you live in the civilized west than you would know I mean by these disgusting China people. Can you believe that they allowed their kids to shit in U.K Chinatown? ( on newspaper and tissues !!!)


I'm 100% ashamed and have a huge inferior complex to be associated with being Chinese !!!
 
What exactly are you trying to say? and can you refute my claims?

If you live in the civilized west than you would know I mean by these disgusting China people. Can you believe that they allowed their kids to shit in U.K Chinatown? ( on newspaper and tissues !!!)


I'm 100% ashamed and have a huge inferior complex to be associated with being Chinese !!!

Would you like you to join my chinese dog club? You can make a good member but all chinks including us singaporeans and hongkies are all inferior not just china chinks!
 
That's why I say that Ang Moh bullying chinks during the early 20th century was a good thing. If wasn't for Ang Moh bullying, China would still be living under an absolute monarchy sucking Machus' dick.
 
That's why I say that Ang Moh bullying chinks during the early 20th century was a good thing. If wasn't for Ang Moh bullying, China would still be living under an absolute monarchy sucking Machus' dick.

Mao was correct in some instances. The problem is many chinese have the chinese dog disease + crab in a bucket syndrome + dissociative disorder whereby they think they are different or rather superior to other chinese. After the japanese invastion + ang moh colonialism many chinese dogs got wiped out and made more chinese in china become more racially aware because after those subsequent incidents some chinks willingly became chinese dogs to suck japs and ang moh dicks and proud chinese wiped them out so that today china isn't under japs or ang mohs control at all yet were those chinese dogs around you can be sure china would be a slave to japan/ ang moh countries and those chinese dogs would be converting more chinese to become chinese dogs like them. That's why in such circumstances there are a lot of chinese just not worth saving.
 
Would you like you to join my chinese dog club? You can make a good member but all chinks including us singaporeans and hongkies are all inferior not just china chinks!

chinese dog how come u only seem to be awake when jah the nignog golliwog give the nigga a bone is awake?i always knew u make a good leader for the chinese dog pack,go dog go u go u!!!!
 
chinese dog how come u only seem to be awake when jah the nignog golliwog give the nigga a bone is awake?i always knew u make a good leader for the chinese dog pack,go dog go u go u!!!!

Shut up and sit down my inferior little chinese dog. Proud chink jah is pretending to be a superior african black and my mortal enemy. You as part of the chinese dog club have to fight proud and racially aware chinks and recruit more chinese dogs to our club. Now go work. :oIo:
 
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Mao should had just nuke Japs in 70's then today they will not be so CB around.
 
Mao was the devil incarnate.
Singlehandedly destroyed chink culture.
The subhuman chinks you see nowsadays are the by products of his evil.
Dumbfuck half witted chink scums still worship him till today.....I see similar behavior in the 70% fucktards that worship lky
 
Mao Zedong was just an opportunist who desired power and had no love for China, his countrymen and no loyalty to Communism too. the Chinese Communists only wanted to profit and expand its territory and power during the 2nd-Sino-Japanese war, not defending the nation. using the Chinese idiom - sit on the mountain and watch the tigers fight, then reap the rewards when both sides are exhausted.

on July 7 1937, the Marco Polo Bridge incident happened at 10pm. on July 8 4am, Chiang Kai Shek at Nanking received a report of the incident from the 29th Army command. on 8am, the CCP issued a telegram from its CEC delivered to the KMT and the entire nation, calling for an all-out war against the Japanese invaders. it was just after 4am, that the Japanese and Chinese forces started fighting at Wanping bridge. from 4 to 8am, in just 4 hours, Mao Zedong could figure out the situation, called for a CEC meeting, they had a discussion and issued the message. Mao probably just wanted to exploit the situation to his advantage and irrationally issued the message by instinct, adding “oil to the fire” and hoping for the conflict to expand rather than simmer down. because of the suspicious time frame of the message, the CCP was suspected to have staged the Marco Polo Bridge incident and prepared the message beforehand.

during the 8 years long war, the CCP forces evaded the Japanese invaders and rarely fought a decent war. it is well known that they adopted a policy of 70% expanding territory and power, 20% contending against the KMT, and 10% resistance against the Japanese then. on August 10 1945, when Japan was going to surrender any moment. then Mao Zedong issued his first ever military No.1 order during the war to all Communist forces in the country ordering them to "wake up" and launch an an-out war against the Japanese to grab as much territory as possible before they surrender to the Nationalists. on August 15, Japan announced it’s surrender, Mao issued another high priority military order ordering all Communist forces to get out and fight the Japanese and grab territory before it’s too late.
 
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Yes, Chiang Kai Shek may have been corrupt and have killed 10,000-30,000 Taiwanese, ruled with a iron fist but at least he was a true Chinese at core. He preserved traditional Chinese culture and that is why people of Taiwan are very civilized.


Taiwan belongs to the "orang Asli". Portuguese and Dutch sailors could not find Chinese people on the island 500 years ago. They named the island Formosa. Not even Chinese name.
 
Taiwan belongs to the "orang Asli". Portuguese and Dutch sailors could not find Chinese people on the island 500 years ago. They named the island Formosa. Not even Chinese name.

orang asli? Nigger taiwan belongs to chinese ppl as for a shit skinned mudslime like you well nothing belongs to you. Nigger.
 
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