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Manchester United Season 2019 - 2020
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The ghosts of FA Cup derbies past
Nicola PearsonBBC Sport journalist
For the second successive season Manchester City and Manchester United come face to face in the FA Cup final at Wembley on Saturday.
Manchester derbies are rarely stale affairs and when it comes them meeting in cup competitions you can almost guarantee drama.
This is the 11th time the two sides have met at any stage of the competition, with United leading the head to head with six wins to City's four.
So let's take a look back on the five most recent FA Cup ties...
FA Cup final 2023: Man City 2-1 Man Utd
The most recent instalment saw Pep Guardiola's side trying to keep themselves on track for a Treble against the only other club in English football to have achieved that feat.
Ilkay Gundogan's stunning volley after 12 seconds put him in the record books for the quickest goal in FA Cup final history.
VAR came to United's aid in awarding a penalty that Bruno Fernandes coolly slotted away to restore parity, before Gundogan became the hero with a second-half volley to keep City on track.
FA Cup third round 2012: Man City 2-3 Man Utd
Before last season's final, the last time the two sides met in the competition was 11 years earlier in the third round.
Things took an eventful turn even before kick-off when, just half an hour before, it had been announced that Paul Scholes would come out of retirement and start on the bench.
United threatened to run riot at 3-0 up by half-time. But, when the Sky Blues got themselves back in it with a free-kick, it was 37-year-old substitute Scholes who gave the ball away for City's second goal that made for a nervous finale.
FA Cup semi-final 2011: Man City 1-0 Man Utd
Less than 12 months before the 2012 meeting, it was City who were looking to spoil United's hopes of a historic 'double-Treble' in the semi-final at Wembley.
Yaya Toure showed power and poise to score the only goal of the game that sent City fans into raptures in the stands and took Roberto Mancini's men to a first FA Cup final in 30 years.
They would go on to win a first major trophy in 35 years and begin their era of domestic dominance.
FA Cup fifth round 2004: Man Utd 4-2 Man City
Even with six goals, when it came to the fifth round in 2004, the biggest moment of the derby was Gary Neville - both figuratively and literally - seeing red.
Sir Alex Ferguson's side had been dominant in the game when right-back Neville dived in the box. Confronted by Manchester City's Steve McManaman he reacted by putting his head into the midfielder's face.
This sparked a melee and saw the defender dismissed, but United still went on to win comfortably 4-2.
FA Cup fifth round 1996: Man Utd 2-1 Man City
A real throwback.
The fifth round derby of 1996 saw Reds boss Sir Alex Ferguson pit his wits against Alan Ball of Manchester City.
City took a surprise lead after 11 minutes at Old Trafford through Uwe Rosler. But goals from Eric Cantona and Lee Sharpe saw Ferguson's side through.
They would go on to complete the Double with a win over Liverpool in the final.
FA Cup Final .. Silver medals for the Manchester United players 
FA Cup Final .. Silver medals for the Manchester United players
Hopefully Man U lose 10-0, a perfect and memorable sending off for Erik Ten Nil.
tonite man u iz playing like brazil 
tonite man u iz playing like brazil
FA Cup & Europa League qualification next season
His job is safe for now ..
I thought he will leave after the FA Cup game?
I hope he stays. There are other areas to fix.
Man Utd cannot keep changing manager frequently if not the squad will not be stable
It’s a major achievement for them to win the FA Cup for qualify for the Europa League.
They are faraway from a 4th place in the EPL & they finished last in the Champion League group stage in 2023/2024 season.
seriously 10 hag iz not good enuff 4 epl, ditto 4 arnal slot
Only Jose Mourinho won them the Europa League
Winning the League Cup & the FA Cup will not qualify you the Champions League.
Only Jose Mourinho won them the Europa League
Winning the League Cup & the FA Cup will not qualify you the Champions League.
actually u can, by winning ze europa league after winning ze fa cup.
Ten Hag to remain Man Utd manager after review
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c511vlg7jvno
Erik ten Hag won the FA Cup last month, his second major trophy in two seasons at Manchester United
Simon Stone
Chief football news reporter
Published 11 June 2024, 22:24 BST
Erik Ten Hag will remain as manager of Manchester United following a post-season review by the club's board.
It is understood they are now talking to Ten Hag about extending his contract, which is about to enter its final season.
United instigated their review immediately after the FA Cup final.
Ten Hag went into the game against Manchester City at Wembley amid a backdrop of reports claiming he was going to be sacked no matter the outcome.
Instead, United's deserved 2-1 victory allowed the club hierarchy to approach the review in a more positive light.
It is understood what are being described as "constructive conversations" with Ten Hag have taken place around the outcome of the review.
All eventualities were considered and the clear preference was for the 54-year-old Dutchman to remain in charge.
Ten Hag is known to be delighted at the outcome on Tuesday, although there have been suggestions he was getting irritated at the time taken for United to reach their conclusion.
United do not believe two weeks is an unreasonable length of time to conduct a thorough assessment of what is the first season under a change of ownership.
Thomas Tuchel is thought to have spoken to new United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe last week but ruled himself out of the running, while the club's interest in Mauricio Pochettino also cooled even though he was available after his exit from Chelsea.
Graham Potter, Thomas Frank, Roberto de Zerbi and current England boss Gareth Southgate were also linked with the job, although Brentford were never contacted about Frank and appointing Southgate this summer was impossible due to his commitments with England.
Ten Hag has been on holiday with his family in Ibiza.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c977x6gq86qo
In his debut season he led the club to third place in the Premier League, along with the EFL Cup and FA Cup finals.
He won his first trophy as United boss in February 2023 when the Red Devils beat Newcastle to lift the EFL Cup, but were beaten by Manchester City in the FA Cup final three months later.
The 2023-24 season proved more difficult, including an early exit from the Champions League after finishing bottom of their group.
United started poorly with six defeats in their opening 10 games, including to Galatasaray and Bayern Munich in the Champions League. They also finished weakly - despite the FA Cup final triumph, they only won five of their final 12 matches in all competitions.
Ratcliffe sticks with Ten Hag
Sir Jim Ratcliffe's Ineos group bought a 27.7% stake in the club in December and new director Sir David Brailsford has since been conducting a review of football operations at Old Trafford.Ratcliffe, 71, had hinted at retaining Ten Hag in January after saying the "environment" at the club was not set-up for managers to succeed.
"In the last 11 years, Manchester United have had a lot of coaches and nobody has been very successful in that environment. That says to me there is something wrong with the environment," said Ratcliffe.
Confirmation that Ten Hag is staying means United can now finally look to build after a difficult campaign and explore the transfer market.
Ten Hag was backed last summer with the signings of Andre Onana, Mason Mount and Rasmus Hojlund.
During his period in charge, Ten Hag has also had to deal with numerous off-field issues.
Mason Greenwood joined Getafe on loan after an internal investigation decided his future was best served away from Old Trafford, while winger Antony was given leave after allegations in Brazil against him from a former girlfriend, which he denies.
Less than a month into the season, Jadon Sancho was dropped from the squad after refusing to apologise to Ten Hag for claiming he had been made a "scapegoat" by the Dutchman.
At the end of a turbulent campaign, United bosses took their time in deciding whether to persist with Ten Hag as manager.
Analysis
In their first few weeks of co-ownership, Ineos came to the conclusion a proper assessment of Ten Hag’s work was impossible because the club did not have the right structures in place that would allow any manager to succeed.At that point, it seemed certain Ten Hag would remain. But United’s calamitous form in April, which almost included throwing away a three-goal lead in the FA Cup semi-final against Championship side Coventry, almost made it impossible for the Dutchman to continue.
Had what would have been a last-gasp winner for Coventry not been ruled out by a marginal video assistant referee decision, it is hard to imagine Ten Hag would still be in a job right now.
As it was, United went through on penalties, then beat City with by far their best performance of the season, securing European qualification on the way.
Ten Hag has become one of only four United managers to win trophies in successive seasons, a point not lost on the club’s hierarchy.
The club have admiration for the dedication, dignity and professionalism with which Ten Hag has conducted himself through a trying season.
They also recognise the pivotal role he has played in the development of youngsters Alejandro Garnacho and Kobbie Mainoo, who will be on international duty at the Copa America and Euro 2024 for Argentina and England respectively this summer.
Evidently, he has also had to contend with a massive injury list and ease new signings Andre Onana and Rasmus Hojlund into the fold.
It is felt Ten Hag should prosper in a different sporting structure, that will eventually see Dan Ashworth installed as sporting director, Jason Wilcox as football director and Omar Berrada as chief executive.
After finding no other bigger dicks they decide to keep the botak. But it’s fine. Let’s go on to fix the team. Hope they can do better business this time round.
EPL is most important, they must improve, they lost 14 times last season.
It's either the botak Dutchman or Gareth Southgate. All other 'big name' managers have rejected Man United.
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