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Chitchat Malay, not Malay, Malay - Race now decided by PAP as when it suits them.

Jah_rastafar_I

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after 58 years of PAP rule (since 1959), Malays remained behind.

Even the seat of the President have to be packaged for them by the PAP, thinking that this is the way.....

PAP thought that they have done a lot for the community......Malays must tell them nothing is further from the truth. The society PAP created in fact put Malays at a disadvantage from kindergarten......by Primary One, they have already fallen behind.

A truly caring PAP should give all disadvantaged people free education from Kindergarten onwards. Perhaps even free tuition and financial support for families of children in school and Universities....But then, the PAP is so money faced.....


WTF!??????????????

m&ds get free education and their mendaki assistance is the best and you dare to say they are at a disadvantage? :eek::rolleyes:

Chinese are the ones who get nothing but still succeed.

Tell me if in a race you get better running shoes, a coach while the other runners don't have that and you still lose can you say you are at a disadvantage? It seems you can if you are malay. :rolleyes:
 

scroobal

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His post is too accommodating that it does not across as strongly as it should as all points are important and serious. This guy wanted to step down in 2011 but PM persuaded him to stay back. Both his constituents and the Chinese SMEs who were not beholden to the PAP respected him.


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https://publichouse.sg/halimah-yaco...e-questions-about-her-independence-malayness/

Halimah Yacob’s candidacy will raise questions about her independence & “Malayness”

The Speaker of Parliament, Halimah Yacob, should not run for the elected presidency, even if she is by law qualified. There are several reasons why Mdm Halimah’s candidacy would not be in the best interests of Singapore.

But before we get into the specific arguments on this, let us recall what, fundamentally, the Elected President (EP) scheme was supposed to do.

It is, basically, to be a check on the government of the day. Although still largely ceremonial in its functions, the EP is also endowed with various specific powers designed to hold the government to account.

These powers include being the so-called second key to the nation’s financial reserves; having a say in the appointment of key members of statutory boards and public institutions; and the ability to instruct the CPIB to carry out investigations.

The EP, it is to be noted, is advised by the Council of Presidential Advisers (CPA), whose members are experienced in various fields and industries.

Mdm Halimah, as the Speaker of Parliament, qualifies under the Presidential Election Act to contest the elected presidency, even though she has little financial experience. This, some have pointed out, does not put her in good stead to oversee the financial reserves, which run into the hundreds of billions, and how the government spends these, which in itself is a complex matter.

Although Mdm Halimah has some experience in handling public funds in her roles as a Member of Parliament for her constituency, and as a Minister of State previously, the elected presidency is an entirely different ball game altogether.

Would she be able to understand the complexities of how the reserves are used and spent?

The second reason why Mdm Halimah should not throw her hat into the ring in September is that even today, 28 July, she is still undecided if she would run in the elections which will take place in less than 2 months.

One would have thought that anyone who is serious about taking on the highest office in the land would have given it much thought over an extended period of time, and would have already made up her or his mind at this point.

And for someone who is a member of a political party, she would also be expected to resign from her party post and membership, so that there is some distance between her resignation from the party and her candidacy in the election.

Remember that the EP is supposed to be politically neutral, and to stand above party and partisan politics.

If Mdm Halimah decides to run for election, she would have to resign from the People’s Action Party (PAP) in very short notice, and almost immediately submit her name for the September contest.

Former PAP MP Inderjit Singh was also apparently concerned about this, and wrote about this on his Facebook page on Friday:

“While the constitution is open about having a current sitting government politician standing for the PE, some Singaporeans have expressed concerns on the prospects of a current government MP, still in parliament, resigning as an MP and immediately standing for the PE. The spirit of the Elected President is independence of office as intended by Mr Lee Kuan Yew when the idea was mooted. While I have no question about how each person will do his or her duty to serve the office they are elected to serve, public perception is also important. While Mr Ong Teng Cheong also did the same in 1993, I sense people are increasingly uncomfortable with this.”


Given that Mdm Halimah has also been a PAP MP since 2001, it is questionable if she will be able to fulfill the independent role required of an EP.

Can you suddenly resign from a party you have been with for decades and then claim to be independent of it, overnight? One may perhaps be able to do so technically, but it is not unreasonable to expect that emotionally and personally, this may not be the case.

If, as would be expected, the PAP or its ministers, or any government-affiliated organisation (such as the NTUC), come out to endorse Mdm Halimah, it would further raise doubts about how independent she would be, if she needed the support of government ministers and organisations. Would she be able to be a check on them if she becomes the EP?

The third reason why Mdm Halimah should not opt to run is that there have been questions raised about her “Malayness” to be a candidate in a Reserved Election for the Malay community.

The significance of this first Reserved Election to elect a Malay president can not be understated. All candidates must be accepted as Malay, otherwise the office of the President loses its credibility and respect from the community and from Singaporeans in general.

Questions about Mdm Halimah’s race were raised because her late father was an Indian-Muslim. Does that not make her an Indian and thus disqualified to run?

While the law may in fact be on her side (for it gives the Community Committee the discretion to accept a candidate’s declaration of his or her race), there is also another pertinent question, as Inderjit Singh pointed out:

“The concept of “Malayness” has also become a debatable issue. Questions about how Mendaki and SINDA classify who is a Malay and who is an Indian do not seem to be aligned with how a Malay or an Indian is defined for the purposes of a GE or a PE. For now, it is critical that the leaders of the Malay community and the government come out and make this position clear and hopefully this position will apply to all aspects of life in Singapore. I hope this can be resolved before the formal process of PE 2017 starts.”

It is doubtful that such an intensely controversial issue would be resolved in a matter of weeks (before the election takes place). One suspects there will be even more debates, and perhaps even court challenges filed with regard to this.

What is “Malay” and who is a Malay are now important questions given that different Government organisations have defined it differently, as some have pointed out.

As president, the person must not be seen to have been treated differently from other ordinary Malays in society.

It it thus of paramount importance that the question of what makes a “Malay”, in law, be set out clearly, and that the presidential candidates be held to these same standards and definitions.

You cannot have Mendaki saying an Indian-Muslim does not qualify for its assistance schemes, and then say that an Indian-Muslim can contest in a Malay-only Reserved Election.

And lastly, Mdm Halimah’s candidacy would leave her residents in Marsiling-Yew Tee without a minority-race MP to represent them. This would be an affront to the very idea of the Group Representation Constituency (GRC) system. Her Malay residents would be left without someone whom they could look to for help.

Minister Chan Chun Sing has indicated that the Government will not call a by-election to elect a set of new MPs for Marsiling-Yew Tee if Mdm Halimah should leave to contest the presidential election.

With all of the above unresolved issues and questions surrounding Mdm Halimah, it would be best if she does not contest the September polls. If she does contest and wins, it will leave the elected presidency opened to all sorts of criticisms.

And for an institution which is supposed to be a symbol of unity for all Singaporeans, that would be most regrettable indeed.
 

nayr69sg

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Respect the Singapore President? Ok lah. But really what does he do besides smile smile shake shake wave wave to Singaporeans, Parliament and the PM?
 

Agoraphobic

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Nothing much actually. Wake up in the morning, put on some decent clothes, and the stuff you mention. If I were the Pres of Peesai, will casually walk around the Istana in the evenings, smoke pot, and get high, and enjoy the sorroundings.

Cheers!

............... But really what does he do besides smile smile shake shake wave wave to Singaporeans, Parliament and the PM?
 

syed putra

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Puan Noor Aishah is 100% malay.

She practices Islam and she follows Malay culture. Even if she is of chink origin, she is still treated as 100% Malay.

Malay = practice islam, follow malay culture.

Peranakans are not Malays. They dress like malays, have eat malay but reject islam. Hence Peranakans are 0% malay.

Well said. Its written in the constitution the definition of malay as written above.
 

syed putra

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WTF!??????????????

m&ds get free education and their mendaki assistance is the best and you dare to say they are at a disadvantage? :eek::rolleyes:

Chinese are the ones who get nothing but still succeed.

Tell me if in a race you get better running shoes, a coach while the other runners don't have that and you still lose can you say you are at a disadvantage? It seems you can if you are malay. :rolleyes:

Chinese own the whole island. Make their own rules. If say, malaysia were to make the rules to suit malay demands, lime syariah, speak malay only etc, chinese will starve.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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Chinese own the whole island. Make their own rules. If say, malaysia were to make the rules to suit malay demands, lime syariah, speak malay only etc, chinese will starve.

Chinese are richer than m&ds in their mudland and they have rules to give them advantages. You see you contridicted yourself.
 

bobby

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This "reserved" EP is fast becoming a fiasco of magnitude proportions.

If the EP position is devoid of any executive powers, I would have no problems with limiting the talent pool to a select few by political correctness.

We have now a position whereby the gahmen initially defined as an important key holder having the last say. Surely we would want this person in mind to be very proficient in this decisoin making process and would want the very best Singaporean to do the job....not just the very best Malay Singaporean, per se.

The gahmen has opened a can of worms and created a monster which they only dig themselves deeper into shit.
 

scroobal

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Watch, they are going to get the prostitutes from Toa Payoh brothel to do a media roll-over the likes of which you have not seen. Polish the turd comes to mind.

This "reserved" EP is fast becoming a fiasco of magnitude proportions.

If the EP position is devoid of any executive powers, I would have no problems with limiting the talent pool to a select few by political correctness.

We have now a position whereby the gahmen initially defined as an important key holder having the last say. Surely we would want this person in mind to be very proficient in this decisoin making process and would want the very best Singaporean to do the job....not just the very best Malay Singaporean, per se.

The gahmen has opened a can of worms and created a monster which they only dig themselves deeper into shit.
 

zhihau

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Watch, they are going to get the prostitutes from Toa Payoh brothel to do a media roll-over the likes of which you have not seen. Polish the turd comes to mind.

What was Pukimah's role in NTUC by the way? Wondering if TKL made any statements about this race issue. I'm sure he must have something to say...
 

virus

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Pls lor, president prata has alrdy done a fine job representing malays as an indian even though he not need ball carriers n cock suckers to cerify him, he is now enjoying 69 virgins in lala land
 

virus

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Chinese own the whole island. Make their own rules. If say, malaysia were to make the rules to suit malay demands, lime syariah, speak malay only etc, chinese will starve.

Con yew not chinese, he pride himself as a baba, Maybe once day when his grandson become pm he will say Con yew is a malay pm that will soothe a lot of dead souls n diehard voters
 

bobby

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If this is just a ceremonial head of state for show only...anyone idiot will do.

This one is a super duper jaga of our reserves. This minah ever got see so much money before? Not macam Cisco escorting bank notes ya?
 

JohnTan

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If this is just a ceremonial head of state for show only...anyone idiot will do.

This one is a super duper jaga of our reserves. This minah ever got see so much money before? Not macam Cisco escorting bank notes ya?

The sinkie president is not entirely ceremonial. He has tons of veto power. The PM cannot appoint or fire important civil servants without the president's John Hancock, which means he will lose important leverage over them. Hence, it is imperative to get a president who is a team player and is pro-singapore. You certainly don't want people like Bock to be the next president.
 

Sideswipe

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The sinkie president is not entirely ceremonial. He has tons of veto power. The PM cannot appoint or fire important civil servants without the president's John Hancock, which means he will lose important leverage over them. Hence, it is imperative to get a president who is a team player and is pro-singapore. You certainly don't want people like Bock to be the next president.


in other words, the PAP govt wants a rubber-stamp President who always blindly act upon the advice of the PM without proper consideration. the PAP certainly learned their lesson from the OTC presidency, only obedient dogs like Prataman will be considered a suitable choice for President in future.
 

bobby

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in other words, the PAP govt wants a rubber-stamp President who always blindly act upon the advice of the PM without proper consideration. the PAP certainly learned their lesson from the OTC presidency, only obedient dogs like Prataman will be considered a suitable choice for President in future.

Ahbuthen......
 

bobby

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More important issue...Marsiling_Yew Tee GRC now short of 1 MP how?

Must by-Election?
 
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