LTA failed to factor in PHV effect when expanding bus fleet and contracting model.

[bic_cherry]

LTA failed to factor in PHV effect when expanding bus fleet and contracting model.

Thus the huge $$$ losses from tremendously expanding bus fleet (S$1 billion to add 1000 new buses) yet facing decreased revenue from relatively fewer users riding on the expanded bus/train fleet culminating in the current need to increase bus fares.

Also, users probably experience even SLOWER bus travel times with so many PHV (Uber/Grab car) clogging the streets which only gets WORSE during peak hours because surge pricing causes all (almost 47,000 registered PHV as at February 2018) PHV drivers to come out to hunt for customers when road is at its highest at any point of the day.

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From sgfuck :

Bus Fare to Rise Soon
LTA said the government paid more than SGD$ 848 million in service fees to bus operators for the fiscal year ending in March 2017. The revenue from the same period was only about SGD$512.94 million. The total loss was SGD$ 423 million before the government subsidy.

The fare is only enough to offset about 60% of the service fees paid to the bus companies. The rest of the operating costs have to be paid by the government.
http://sgfuck.org/mybb/Thread-Bus-Fare-to-Rise-Soon

 

[halsey02]

PAP 101 page 1001, sect 101, line 11 says, " increases bus & train, reduce rebates, cut all non performing routes" Fine grab drivers from using the bus bays, taxi stands, whether LTA built ones or not"...this will increase the revenue 100 times!

 

[Leongsam]

Bus fare price increases are to help the poor.

 

[halsey02]

Bus fare price increases are to help the poor.

Any increases especially the GST is to help the poor.

 

[Truth_Hurts]

Wat does phv have to do with public tpt price increase?

 

[halsey02]

Wat does phv have to do with public tpt price increase?

Nothing!...it is a natural thing to increase public transport prices...it will be unnatural if they don't.

 

[Truth_Hurts]

Nothing!...it is a natural thing to increase public transport prices...it will be unnatural if they don't.

Cost increase is a sure thing. But a responsible gahmen should scrutinized the operating costs etc n not use it as a gravy train for its cronies. Why must the public pay the cost of these fat cats?

 

[AhMeng]

When you have layers of useless souls drawing huge salaries in top and senior management, someone has to pay for them.

 

[bic_cherry]

Wat does phv have to do with public tpt price increase?

At the end of last year, there were about 47,000 registered private-hire cars and 23,140 taxis, based on official data. Going by estimates from a Public Transport Council survey last year, commuters made more than one million journeys on private-hire cars daily. The average daily ridership of taxis stood at 785,000 in the same year.
https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...e-car-sectors-prevent-dominance-single-player
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Judging by the fact that there are a bit more than twice the number of PHV as there are taxis, (assuming equal daily trips on PHV as taxis on a per car basis) PHV should be making almost 1.6million paid trips/day... Which likely means 1.6million FEWER trips on public transport ... Thus the under-utilization of public transport and therefore the reduction in public transport fare revenue collected.

 

[halsey02]

Cost increase is a sure thing. But a responsible gahmen should scrutinized the operating costs etc n not use it as a gravy train for its cronies. Why must the public pay the cost of these fat cats?

The pass the cost (PTC) approve to p.t.c., the 70% is happy to shoulder the increases...for it "ain't heavy, he is my brother"...we shouldn't be bothered with all these...it will come ...there will be howl of pain...it will be accepted & paid...& it will come to past!...

 

[virus]

Bus fare price increases are to help the poor.

ministar no discipline so high pay is a must, bus fare increase only help poor people stay at home

 

[virus]

Cost increase is a sure thing. But a responsible gahmen should scrutinized the operating costs etc n not use it as a gravy train for its cronies. Why must the public pay the cost of these fat cats?

responsible gahmen job is not to keep quiet about gambling habit which GST has to keep up with this nonsense. they r not paid to run any ministry because if they are, none of them will siamz when bad things happen and disappear for a few days till everything blown over.

 

[shiokalingam]

At the end of last year, there were about 47,000 registered private-hire cars and 23,140 taxis, based on official data. Going by estimates from a Public Transport Council survey last year, commuters made more than one million journeys on private-hire cars daily. The average daily ridership of taxis stood at 785,000 in the same year.
https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...e-car-sectors-prevent-dominance-single-player
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Judging by the fact that there are a bit more than twice the number of PHV as there are taxis, (assuming equal daily trips on PHV as taxis on a per car basis) PHV should be making almost 1.6million paid trips/day... Which likely means 1.6million FEWER trips on public transport ... Thus the under-utilization of public transport and therefore the reduction in public transport fare revenue collected.

Not forgetting various schemes of Car pooling , PHV pooling. Taxi pooling.

- Grab Hitch
- Grab Share
- Taxi Share
- etc

hourly rental of PHV

. Tribal Car

hourly rental of hourly taxi

. smrt TaxiShare


less and less Commuters on buses and mrt.

 

[virus]

Grab cock
Grab pussy

 

[shiokalingam]

Grab cock
Grab pussy

ERP and Parking revenue and coe will Boom s$$$$$$$$

 

[bic_cherry]

This is THEIR self-caused problem and filp prata on so many models.

Nationalize or PTE, pick one and decide.

Govt job is service citizen, PTE job is earn $$. These are not always complementary.

That is why so many people can't tell difference between ministry, stat board, GLC or for-profit entity.

I don't think bus contracting model is the issue per se because in so many gahmen services, private / GLC companies are contracted to provide gahmen services: e.g. Singpost doing everything from collecting taxes, fines and fees for most gahmen ministries https://www.singpost.com/pay/government-bills-fines likewise certis cisco providing for contract staff for everything from public library staff to LTA parking warden manpower and RAMKY managing HDB carparks across Singapore. Maybe LTA made bus captain performance standards too onerous resulting in high bus service contract bid prices, maybe bus contracting bid prices might fall as operators become more comfortable with their job.

Still, i believe that LTA was caught blindsided on 3 counts:
1) Revenue loss from public transport passengers opting for cost/time/ comfort optimal options such as PHV and PMD.
2) Road congestion from increased PHV cars worsening peak hour road congestion and reducing bus travel speeds and consequently bus passenger loading capacity.
3) Reduced population expansion due to public backlash against 6.9million population white paper resulting in under performing public transport $ revenue figures overall.

Singapore bureaucrats are an ignorant, stuck-up and untalented bunch who operate in silos, thus the red ink all over the public transport balance sheet funk that Singapore(LTA) is currently mired in now.

 

[mojito]

Lazy minds in a lazy thread. It is obviously because we have more and better mrt lines. More capacity is good because that means the floodgates can be opened wider again with CECA 2.0. 10 million by 2030 is back on track. Dun say PAP no plan for tour future huh!

 

[syed putra]

They should have bought buses running on batteries.lower maintenance. Cleaner.quieter. charge during the night. Battery compartment can be exchange for freshly charged batteties eliminating need to wait. Like the old motorola startac.

 

[red amoeba]

So now they re painting a sordid picture of bus companies not making money and using it as a pretext to raise fares ? It’s been their MO since 1960s.

 

[greedy and cunning]

this is what happened when pEE a pEE is in charge