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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/05/politics/white-house-germany-troop-reductions/index.html

Trump administration plans to cut US troops in Germany
By Ryan Browne, CNN
Updated 6:33 PM EDT, Fri June 05, 2020
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Washington(CNN)The White House has asked for a substantial reduction of US military personnel stationed in Germany, according to a US defense official.
The official said that the exact size of the reduction has not been decided but a cut of 9,500 is the current tentative planning figure. The formal order to begin moving troops has yet to be given but is expected soon.
There are approximately 34,000 US troops stationed in Germany.

A spokesman for the Pentagon referred CNN to the National Security Council, which has not responded to the request for comment.
The Wall Street Journal first reported the expected drawdown.
President Donald Trump has long criticized Germany over a range of issues, particularly Berlin's failure to meet the target of 2% of GDP spending on defense that is recommended by NATO.
Pentagon commanders drawing up options for early Afghanistan troop withdrawal
Pentagon commanders drawing up options for early Afghanistan troop withdrawal

While defense officials had weighed moving some forces from Germany in the past, several US and NATO officials told CNN that the size and timing of the reduction were unexpected.
NATO referred questions about the reduction to the US government.
The US military has stationed forces in Germany since the end of the Second World War and their presence there on the front lines of the Cold War helped deter the Soviet Union from mounting an attack on NATO members.
While the number of US troops in Germany had decreased in recent years, US bases in the country continue to be used by the military due to their strategic location and the presence of US defense infrastructure such as air bases and medical facilities.

Withdrawal would be a blow to NATO

If the troops directed to leave Germany are removed from Europe entirely, the drawdown could be seen as a major blow to solidarity within the NATO alliance as many member countries continue to express concerns about the threat posed by Russia, which has used military force against Ukraine in recent years.
The top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee slammed news of the planned drawdown, calling it "petty and preposterous" and a "favor" to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"This order is petty and preposterous. It's another favor to Putin and another leadership failure by this administration that further strains relations with our allies," Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island told CNN in a statement.
Many European allies have openly questioned Trump's commitment to NATO which he labeled obsolete during his campaign for the presidency.

While Trump has since changed his tone, claiming credit for a member countries boosting their defense spending, he has continued to slam Germany.
The prominent former military leaders who have criticized Trump's actions over protests


The prominent former military leaders who have criticized Trump's actions over protests

While NATO officials have said that Trump's pressure has contributed to the growth in defense spending, they had also previously pointed to an increase in US military forces in Europe as indicative of Washington's continued commitment to the alliance, a narrative that a major reduction from Germany could undermine.
Germany recently agreed to pay a greater share of NATO's direct budget, allowing the US to reduce its contribution.
It is possible that any troops removed from Germany could be repositioned in Poland as Warsaw has long sought an increase in the number of US personnel stationed there, with Poland's President offering to name a new US Base in Poland Ft. Trump.
Senior Trump administration officials have in the past suggested moving US troops from Germany to Poland due to Berlin's failure to meet the 2% target.
"Poland meets its 2% of GDP spending obligation towards NATO. Germany does not. We would welcome American troops in Germany to come to Poland," the US ambassador to Poland, Georgette Mosbacher, wrote on Twitter in August.
While the Pentagon has increased the number of US troops in Poland in recent years, the majority of those personnel are designated rotational forces.
This story has been updated with comments from Sen. Jack Reed.
 

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Germany says it hasn't been informed of drawdown of about 10,000 troops 3 days after report
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U.S. President Donald Trump, left, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel greet each other at the 2019 G7 summit in Biarritz, France. A report on American troops in Germany came not long after Trump was forced to postpone the next summit, to be held in the U.S. (Andrew Harnik/The Associated Press)
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Germany's defence minister suggested Monday that U.S. President Donald Trump's reported plans to withdraw more than a quarter of American troops out of Germany could weaken not only the NATO alliance but also the U.S. itself.

Trump is said to have signed off on a plan to reduce the total of troops stationed in Germany from 34,500 to no more than 25,000, according to reports by the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, but German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer told reporters that Berlin hasn't yet been informed of any such move.

The Pentagon hasn't confirmed the reports.

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"We have no announcements at this time; I know there's reporting out there," said White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany.

"The president's continually reassessing the best posture for the United States military forces and our presence overseas, and we remain committed to working with our strong allies," McEnany added.

If the U.S. goes ahead, however, she suggested the move would do more harm to NATO as a whole than to Germany's own defence.

"The fact is that the presence of U.S. soldiers in Germany serves the entire NATO alliance security, including America's own security," she said. "That is the basis on which we work together."

The Trump administration has been urging Germany to spend more on its defence to meet the NATO goal of spending two per cent of gross domestic product on defence, and American officials in the past had raised the possibility of moving troops out as a veiled threat.

Move would impact NATO, Germany says
The government's co-ordinator for transatlantic relations, Peter Beyer, said if the plan is confirmed it wouldn't be a surprise, but that it was irritating to first learn of the possibility through media reports.

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"The German-American relationship could be severely affected by such a decision of the U.S. president," Beyer told the dpa news agency.

"It's not just about 9,500 soldiers, but also about their families, so about 20,000 Americans. This would break down transatlantic bridges."

The days are long gone when hundreds of thousands of American troops were stationed in Germany as a bulwark against the possibility of a Soviet invasion.

Today, the country is much more a hub for wider American military operations.

Facilities include Ramstein Air Base, critical for operations in the Middle East and Africa and headquarters to the U.S. Air Forces in Europe and Africa; the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, which has saved the lives of countless Americans wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan; and the headquarters of both U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command in Stuttgart.

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The flags of the United States and Germany fly behind a sign at Ramstein Air Base in a 2014 file photo. (Lucas Jackson/The Associated Press)
Germany is also home to the headquarters of U.S. Army Europe in Wiesbaden, an F-16 fighter base in Spangdahlem and the Grafenwoehr Training Area, the largest NATO training facility in Europe.

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"If this is confirmed, you have to ask yourself what impact this will have on NATO and the security architecture in Europe," Beyer said.





Germany has been increasing its defence spending and the issue of troops had lain dormant for many months.

It wasn't immediately clear why it was being brought up again, but Trump's decision came shortly after Chancellor Angela Merkel said that she wouldn't attend a Group of Seven summit in person in the U.S. if the president decided to go ahead with it. Shortly after the chancellor's announcement, Trump said he was postponing the summit.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas acknowledged over the weekend that current ties with Washington were "complicated."

He voiced concerns in an interview with Bild newspaper that the U.S. presidential election campaign could further polarize Washington and stoke populist politics.

"Then co-existence within the country doesn't just become harder, it also fuels conflicts on the international level," he was quoted as saying. "That's the last thing we need."

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Trump Surprises Germany With Plan to Withdraw 9,500 U.S. Troops
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June 5, 2020, 8:12 PM EDTUpdated on June 6, 2020, 6:33 AM EDT
  • Merkel given no warning amid growing tensions with U.S.
  • Planned pullout would leave U.S. with 25,000 troops in Germany
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel was caught off guard by U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to pull 9,500 U.S. troops out of Germany by September.
The government wasn’t officially notified by the U.S. about Trump’s plan, and it has so far only found out about the matter from media reports, a German government official said on Saturday, declining to comment further.

The decision to pull more than a quarter of U.S. troops out of Germany comes after years of tension between the U.S. and Chancellor Angela Merkel over her country’s military spending. The change has been discussed within the Trump administration since last September and reflects increases in military outlays by U.S. allies that allow for such cuts, a person familiar with the matter said, asking not be identified.
“These plans demonstrate once again that the Trump administration neglects a central element of leadership: the involvement of alliance partners in the decision-making process,” Johann Wadephul, deputy leader of Merkel’s CDU-led caucus group, said in an emailed statement on Saturday, complaining that the U.S. hadn’t notified the German government before the decision. “For us Europeans, this is one more wake-up call to take our destiny with regard to security policy more decisively into our own hands.”
From the U.S. point of view, the troop withdrawal would make sense, another German official said under the condition of anonymity. Germany is no longer in the front line like during the Cold War, but has instead become a hub for U.S. operations in the Middle East. The U.S. would therefore most likely not withdraw all of its troops, but only ones who are no longer needed.
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The cut, reported earlier by the Wall Street Journal, would reduce American troop strength in Germany to 25,000 permanently assigned service members, compared with about 34,500 now, the person said. Merkel’s decision to stay away from a Group of Seven meeting that Trump had planned to host in Washington this month had no influence on the planned pullout, the person said.
A White House National Security Council spokesman, John Ullyot, said that Trump “continually reassesses the best posture” for U.S. forces and their overseas presence. The U.S. is “committed to working with our strong ally Germany to ensure our mutual defense” and other matters.
Merkel and Germany have been a prime target of Trump’s push to shift more defense spending to North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies, which he has, in effect, accused of freeloading off U.S. military power.

In April 2019, he struck a more conciliatory tone. “We’ve picked up over $140 billion of additional money, and we look like we’re going to have at least another $100 billion more in spending” in 2020 by NATO members, excluding the U.S., the president said at the time.
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Trump also warned Germany in December that while it was coming along on increases in defense spending, he might take action related to trade with Europe if Merkel’s government didn’t do more to reach NATO members’ agreed goal of spending 2% of gross domestic product on their military.
Merkel’s defense minister, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, said in November that Germany wouldn’t meet the NATO benchmark until 2031 because of a lack of military personnel.

Read more: Trump Pulls U-Turn on NATO, Claiming Credit for ‘Stronger’ Pact
Historically one of America’s most loyal allies, Germany is still home to the biggest U.S. contingent in Europe and hosts key overseas installations such as the Ramstein Air Base and the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.
“Everybody profits from the cohesion of the Nato alliance, only Russia and China benefit from dispute,” Wadephul said.

— With assistance by Justin Sink
 

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TUE JUN 9, 2020 / 5:55 AM EDT
Trump's troop cut in Germany blindsided senior U.S. officials
Jonathan Landay, Andrea Shalal and Arshad Mohammed


U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a roundtable discussion with law enforcement in the State Dining Room at the White House in Washington, U.S., June 8, 2020.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's decision to cut U.S. troop levels in Germany blindsided a number of senior national security officials, according to five sources familiar with the matter, and the Pentagon had yet to receive a formal order to carry it out, Reuters has learned.
Trump decided to remove 9,500 troops from Germany, one of America's strongest allies, reducing the number there to 25,000 from 34,500, a senior U.S. official said on Friday.
That official said it was the result of months of work by the U.S. military leadership and had nothing to do with tensions between Trump and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who thwarted his plan to host an in-person Group of Seven (G7) summit this month.
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But other sources familiar with the matter said a number of U.S. officials at the White House, State Department and Pentagon were surprised by the decision and they offered explanations ranging from Trump's pique over the G7 to the influence of Richard Grenell, the former U.S. ambassador to Germany and a Trump loyalist.
Reuters could not determine if Grenell had played a direct role with Trump in the decision-making. Grenell resigned his post on June 1, according to a State Department spokeswoman.
The Defense and State Departments referred questions to the White House National Security Council, which declined comment.
Asked for comment, Grenell said that "this is all gossip" and declined to address specific questions about the decision and his role in it. The reduction, he said, had been “in the works since last year.”
He underscored U.S. frustration over Germany’s failure to meet a NATO target of defense spending of 2% of GDP. He noted that NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg named Germany as the only country that had not submitted a credible plan for how to reach their commitment.
At an online event hosted by the Atlantic Council thinktank on Monday, Stoltenberg declined to comment on what he termed “media leakages and media speculation” when asked about U.S. plans to cut troop numbers in Germany. He said NATO was “constantly consulting with the United States, with other NATO allies on the military posture, presence in Europe.”
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Speaking on condition of anonymity, a U.S. official told Reuters the Pentagon had not received a formal order to cut troops and that the decision caught some Defense Department officials off guard and scrambling to figure out its meaning and impact on relations with Germany.
Germany was not consulted before the decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal on Friday, two sources familiar with the matter said.
German government officials said on Monday that Berlin had not received confirmation of the U.S. move. But Peter Beyer, the German coordinator for transatlantic ties, said it would "shake the pillars of the transatlantic relationship."
The Trump administration pushed to reduce U.S. troops in Germany for years and Grenell has criticized Berlin in public and private for failing to meet the NATO target of spending 2% of GDP on defense, said a source briefed on U.S.-German military relations.
"In that sense, it wasn't a surprise, but there was no consultation or coordination. And Trump administration officials had said they did not expect a withdrawal of forces," the source added.
The decision - which has not been officially confirmed by the White House - also surprised a number of senior national security officials in the U.S. government.
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Senior State Department, Pentagon and some national security council officials were blindsided and "learned something was up when calls started coming around and the WSJ article hit," said a third source familiar with the matter.

'NOT PLAYING BALL'
A U.S. military drawdown from Germany could sharpen trans-Atlantic tensions that Trump has fueled by questioning the value of NATO and criticizing some alliance members' defense spending.
Security experts have called the withdrawal plan a "gift" to Russia as it comes amid serious tensions between Washington and Moscow over arms control, Moscow’s support for separatists in Ukraine, the U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and other issues.
But current and former officials noted the Trump administration had at times announced steps - such as the total withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria in 2018 or an immediate $1 billion cut in U.S. funding for Afghanistan in March - that did not come to pass.
A congressional aide familiar with the matter said he was told Trump's decision was motivated, in part, by Merkel's reluctance to attend the U.S. G7 summit because of the coronavirus pandemic.
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"This was originally only done at very high levels and he (Grenell) was involved. This was kept extremely close hold," said the congressional aide on condition of anonymity, saying he was told the decision was "sped up because he (Trump) was mad at Merkel for cancelling his G7 party because of COVID."
U.S. Ambassador to Poland Georgette Mosbacher and Grenell publicly warned in August that Trump could withdraw some troops from Germany and suggested they could be relocated to Poland unless Merkel responded to Trump's calls to increase defense spending.
"It would be the ultimate kind of slap to Germany if they were rotated out of Germany and into Poland," said a former senior U.S. official familiar with the matter, who requested anonymity in order to speak freely. "From their (Grenell's and Mosbacher's) point of view, the Germans were not playing ball and should be punished."

(Reporting by Jonathan Landay, Andrea Shalal, Arshad Mohammed; Additional reporting by Idrees Ali and David Brunnstrom; Writing by Arshad Mohammed; Editing by Mary Milliken and Peter Cooney)
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The Germans asked for it. Trump asked Angela Merkel to attend the G7 meeting but she declined and remain uncooperative. So Trump ordered his US troops to withdrew since Merkel want to play punk. Serve her right since she wants to be in bed with CCP.

Only idiots who don't know anything about what actually going on say nonsense.
 

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Germans have been saving money by neglecting their defence pledge and spending much less than What they were suppose to due to US army having bases there.
 

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Nah.... days of invasion is over... trading preferred...

Invasion cost money. Then hv to kill all the sick, old and traitors also cost money.... then hv to feed them, educate, create jobs what for..... one pandemic come, they infected yr own country....

BE owned 1/3 of the world with 480 mil population, and hv to give up All, leaving 4 left..... so many shitskins to cover is a waste of resources.

China knew that thats why preferred trading.... u die yr biz... dont bring yr virus to China....

Keep it neat and clear....

Let Putin have Europe.

Let China have the rest.

USA should just defend itself.
 

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Nah.... days of invasion is over... trading preferred...

Invasion cost money. Then hv to kill all the sick, old and traitors also cost money.... then hv to feed them, educate, create jobs what for..... one pandemic come, they infected yr own country....

BE owned 1/3 of the world with 480 mil population, and hv to give up All, leaving 4 left..... so many shitskins to cover is a waste of resources.

China knew that thats why preferred trading.... u die yr biz... dont bring yr virus to China....

Keep it neat and clear....


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To survive MUST CARNAGE AND REDUCE POPULATION OF CONSUMERS DRASTICALLY ASAP.

Survival is ONLY FOR THE STRONGEST which ELIMINATED ALL THE REST.

You don't need customers nor sales actually. You need RESOURCES FOR JUST YOURSELF. Kill ALL OTHER CONSUMERS. Enjoy all the Resources GIVEN UP BY THE KILLED WEAK CONSUMERS who deserves nothing but death.
 

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Might as well invasion...

World Committing SUICIDAL SELF-DESTRUTION MISTAKE. Trade Speeds Up FINAL TOTAL EXTINCTION.

To survive MUST CARNAGE AND REDUCE POPULATION OF CONSUMERS DRASTICALLY ASAP.

Survival is ONLY FOR THE STRONGEST which ELIMINATED ALL THE REST.

You don't need customers nor sales actually. You need RESOURCES FOR JUST YOURSELF. Kill ALL OTHER CONSUMERS. Enjoy all the Resources GIVEN UP BY THE KILLED WEAK CONSUMERS who deserves nothing but death.
 

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Dotard can ABANDON See Fart Loong any time and withdraw USA troops from Pee Sai.

Make See Fart Loong unprotected alike naked and nothing covering his See Fart Hole.

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