Look at what the FT policy has done to football

[Sideswipe]

Ericksson had no heart and passion. But he had alot of love for female colleagues. That guy is a clown. And a very rich one at that.

Eriksson got 3 Quarter-finals and 2 pen shootouts away from 2 semi finals.

Capello got a 1-4 thrashing by hated rivals Germany in last 16 and 3 goals in 4 WC games, Eriksson team scored 3 goals against Denmark in WC2002 last 16.

 

[singveld]

England really has no good manager because the whole batch of them played kick and rush football up to the 90s.

what is kick and rush football. england cannot hold the ball and pass. they also no idea how to score.

 

[Rogue Trader]

Eriksson got 3 Quarter-finals and 2 pen shootouts away from 2 semi finals.

Capello got a 1-4 thrashing by hated rivals Germany in last 16 and 3 goals in 4 WC games, Eriksson team scored 3 goals against Denmark in WC2002 last 16.

Eriksson also had the best England team to work with during his tenure. He squandered the golden generation of midfielders for 2004 - Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Joe Cole, Hargreaves, Carrick. Up front, he made that puzzling choice to waste a shirt on Theo Walcott.

The most unforgiveable act was restricting his selection to the Euro/Uefa cup playing teams. Under that guy, up and coming players like Stewart Downing and James Milner never had a snowflake's chance in hell to make it.

To be honest, Capello only inherited a group of injury prone 30 year olds. The sad state of affairs last night was the result of mismanaging home grown talent.

 

[singveld]

golden generation of midfielders, you said only. the best english team in recent year was 1986.
golden my foot.

maybe capella want to be fired so that he get more money and the italian job is available and it look like a better job.

 

[Rogue Trader]

golden generation of midfielders, you said only. the best english team in recent year was 1986.
golden my foot.

I will own up and say that I had not followed football in the 80s. Was in primary school playing marbles and Apple 2 PC games then.

maybe capella want to be fired so that he get more money and the italian job is available and it look like a better job.

That's also why a foreign manager is not a long term solution either. A foreigner will only be interested in delivering during his term. Once his contract is over or faced with the sack, it's off to another country or club that pays. Nurturing young players is not in his scope of duties.

 

[Sideswipe]

Eriksson also had the best England team to work with during his tenure. He squandered the golden generation of midfielders for 2004 - Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Joe Cole, Hargreaves, Carrick. Up front, he made that puzzling choice to waste a shirt on Theo Walcott.

The most unforgiveable act was restricting his selection to the Euro/Uefa cup playing teams. Under that guy, up and coming players like Stewart Downing and James Milner never had a snowflake's chance in hell to make it.

To be honest, Capello only inherited a group of injury prone 30 year olds. The sad state of affairs last night was the result of mismanaging home grown talent.

penalty shootouts are really 50-50. If Eriksson had been "luckier", he would have lead England to 1 semi-final. The golden generation didn't make it to the semi-final in 3 attempts but 3 Q-finals are decent and acceptable. Look at Mclaren and Capello records and compare with Eriksson. Eriksson got wins against Germany and Argentina in competitive games that matter.

restricting his selection to the Euro/Uefa cup playing teams was understandable and probably correct. You need experienced players that played against European teams for WC/Euro not those who only played for mid-table English teams. Look at Matthew Upson who is a decent player but just cannot make it against good international strikers. Capello should pick Jamie Carragher for his experiences yesterday. Upson never played in top level matches before. Carragher have. Eriksson will def pick Carragher.

agree with "Capello only inherited a group of injury prone 30 year olds" Maybe it's unfair to compare Eriksson to Capello. Gerrard and Lampard are no longer as good as 4 years ago. The England team now is too old and slow but Capello really have nobody else to chose apart from this batch of players whom he took to South Africa.

 

[cocobobo]

i'm jumping the gun here before any fuckers say we should go the way of the germans.... all these german FTs below ARE BORN IN GERMANY, though one or both parents may have different nationality:

Mesut Ozil - Turkish.
Lucas Podolski - Polish
Miroslav Klose - Polish
Cacau - Brazilian
Mario Gomez - Spanish
Dennis Aogo - Nigerian
Serda Tecsi - Turkish
Marko Marin - Serbian
Jerome Boateng -Ghanaian
Piotr Trachowski - Polish
Sami Khedira - Tunisian

 

[jw5]

There are many reasons why players don't perform during WC. But look beyond this tournament for a clearer picture. What has the England squad achieved after foreigners were imported en mass into the EPL?

I admit it has made the league more watchable. I used to hate the English long ball game until continental stars like Cantona, Zola and Ginola injected some class into the English game. But look at what a circus it has turned into now? Look at the Arsenal team for the last 4 years.

I really pity talents like Joe Cole who will never realise his potential at club and country levels.

Man Utd should sign Joe Cole and play him just behind Wayne Rooney.
The 2 of them will run defences ragged.
That is what Capello should have done as well.

 

[jw5]

i'm jumping the gun here before any fuckers say we should go the way of the germans.... all these german FTs below ARE BORN IN GERMANY, though one or both parents may have different nationality:

If those German players are born in Germany, then they are born and bred Germans.
Their parents are the FTs, who emigrated.

 

[jw5]

They stopped playing together since the first game, Gerrard shifted to the left wing and Lampard stay central.
anyway both guys will be around for Euro 2012, win their 100th cap because there are nobody to replace them.

The other midfielders are Carrick, 29 yrs old, Hargreaves, 30 yrs old and Barry is 30 yrs old. In reserve, the likes of Tom Huddlestone and Scott Parkers are not good enough.

Not sure about euro 2012, but in 4 years time, England will be able to choose from players like Cattermole, Muamba, Rodwell, Wilshere, Cleverly, Walcott, Lennon, Milner, Huddlestone, etc etc to form their midfield. They won't need to rely on the ageing Lampards and Gerrards.
Look at the way Germany have combined youth and experience, that's the way to go in a major tournament.
It's never wise to have all youngsters and all oldies.

 

[jw5]

England really has no good manager because the whole batch of them played kick and rush football up to the 90s. The crop of successful 80s players like Bull, Souness, Hughes even have difficulty coaching in mid table clubs. Stevie Maclaren attempted bravely to helm the country but turned out to be an epic failure when he couldn't even lead the team to Euro 08 qualification.

The country has been expecting great things from their favourtie son Alan Shearer. But the guy is a selfish prick who is unwilling to risk his perfect reputation.

However I am sticking my head out to predict the Golden Generation will come up with a few decent club level managers. The crop of Man U, Pool and Chelsea players have been exposed to new coaching styles and training methods. I guess I will have to wait 8 more years to see if I'm right.

I don't agree that England has no good managers.
People like Peter Reid, Sam Allardyce, Roy Hodgson, Harry Rednapp are all very good managers who have had varying degrees of success with smaller clubs.
My understanding is that all 4 wanted the England job when it was available after Sven was sacked, but the all-knowing FA gave it to Capello.
Those 4 would have done a good job with England, they know the players and they know how to win.
Capello is a good football manager, but it's never the same when a foreigner is managing the national team. Look at Mexico under their present coach. When the national anthem was played, he sang it louder than anyone else. Ditto Bill Bradley of USA.
Mexico under Sven was a shambles, I'm 99% sure he didn't know the national anthem and they can probably consider themselves lucky that he didn't get any female staff pregnant.
In any case I consider all 4 English managers better choices than Sven, anyone who sits on the bench and rubs his thighs while his team is losing a world cup match is probably next to useless.

 

[singveld]

it cost england 6 millions sterling pounds per year to keep the italian there.
will he made the team better for euro 2012?

he blackmail FA to set him a new contract which made it more expensive for FA to fire him 5 weeks before start of world cup, they have no choice but to give in, if they said no, it will affect the england team.

by sabotage the results, he get rich by letting FA fire him, he get a new job with italian national team. perfect result for him.

 

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What's so great about UK soccer? Full of hype and shit news.

The only reason why Sinkies are supportive of them is because they speak English.

Shhh! Though it is true that colonialism defines the very heart and soul of majority of Singapore's population , it is taboo to speak of it.

 

[singveld]

Shhh! Though it is true that colonialism defines the very heart and soul of majority of Singapore's population , it is taboo to speak of it.

no just that is the only big european league that speak english.
just language.

 

[Rogue Trader]

I don't agree that England has no good managers.
People like Peter Reid, Sam Allardyce, Roy Hodgson, Harry Rednapp are all very good managers who have had varying degrees of success with smaller clubs.

There. You've said it. Some success with smaller clubs. Hardly world beating stuff.

I would regard Sir Bobby Robson and Brian Clough as the world class English managers. Sadly for English football, both have recently passed on.

Terry Venables is almost in that league. Btw, what happened to him? Seems to have disappeared from the scene.

My understanding is that all 4 wanted the England job when it was available after Sven was sacked, but the all-knowing FA gave it to Capello.
Those 4 would have done a good job with England, they know the players and they know how to win.

You missed out Stevie Mac. The job went to him after Sven. The role was obviously out of his league as England couldn't even qualify for Euro 06.

Capello is a good football manager, but it's never the same when a foreigner is managing the national team. Look at Mexico under their present coach. When the national anthem was played, he sang it louder than anyone else. Ditto Bill Bradley of USA.

Look at Argentina doing so well under Maradonna. That guy's got more lives than a cat.

Mexico under Sven was a shambles, I'm 99% sure he didn't know the national anthem and they can probably consider themselves lucky that he didn't get any female staff pregnant.
In any case I consider all 4 English managers better choices than Sven, anyone who sits on the bench and rubs his thighs while his team is losing a world cup match is probably next to useless.

Yes. I didn't like Sven either when he was the England manager. But I suspect he is a shrewd politician inside the English FA to have lasted that long.

 

[Rogue Trader]

Oh yeah. I just recalled another English manager worth mentioning - Stuart Pierce. He's the U21 manager. I hope he moves on to get some real club level experience. Then he'll be the ideal England manager.

 

[singveld]

it does not matter who is the manager.

the english players are not good enough to win anything.

 

[Rogue Trader]

it does not matter who is the manager.

the english players are not good enough to win anything.

ha ha ha ha. True.

 

[LonewolfAlfa]

I will own up and say that I had not followed football in the 80s. Was in primary school playing marbles and Apple 2 PC games then.

those chewing gum with soccer cards were very popular then. I remember pat jennnings have the lowest score of 1.

 

[cocobobo]

Oh yeah. I just recalled another English manager worth mentioning - Stuart Pierce. He's the U21 manager. I hope he moves on to get some real club level experience. Then he'll be the ideal England manager.

its pearce. already capello's asst. and he gets bullied a lot by capello (see vid at 1:10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHqxrszXYM