Local vs FT IT Diploma holders

[BuiKia]

Only few days ago, my colleague Train Officer Arasu was relating his personal story to me. TO Arasu has been with us for about 5 years. Before that, he tried a few other non IT related jobs before landed here with us.

TO Arasu has got a diploma in computer science which he took more than 10 years ago in year 2000 and subsequently the same higher diploma two years later in year 2002. His good friend Param also took both courses conducted by TMC endorsed by Staffordshire University in UK. TO Arasu spent more than $20,000 for the course.


TO Arasu was then working in SATs. It was not recognized by that company. Param, on the other hand was working as a factory operator in a manufacturing firm. Even though Param was a Malaysian, he was immediately recommended by a Malaysian IT manager in the same company to take on an IT job in the same firm.

After few years of IT work in the company, Param went on to another company doing the same IT related job. He remains in the IT industry earning about $4,000 a month.

TO Arasu did not manage to land any IT related job. After a few other jobs, he found his way to this present company. His IT higher diploma is still not recognized.

TO Arasu and his good friend Param still stay in touch. Param is working the 5-day week earning about $4,000 in the IT industry. He used to call TO Arasu whenever he goes back to JB. Param lives in JB but commutes daily on weekdays to work here.

Train Officer Arasu told me that they both had the same qualification and about the same age in their mid 30s yet he earns only $1,400 a month and has to struggle on shift work with rotating off days!

When TO Arasu saw me few days ago, he told me that his friend Param just called him. Again, his friend Param who is a Malaysian teased TO Arasu that as a ‘Singaporean’, working as a Train Officer is earning so much less than him. He is enjoying every weekend with his family in JB whereas TO Arasu is working on shift with rotating off days like a “Baduah!”

As a Singaporean, his life is no better than a Malaysian even though they possess the same qualifications. It must be his bad karma or rather the Malaysian IT manager that opened up a valuable career path for his friend Param? Life is really full of little ironies as far as Train Officer Arasu is concerned. It appears that it’s better to be a Malaysian like his friend Param than a Singaporean. Really langgar!

http://gintai.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/local-it-vs-ft-diploma-holder/

 

[wMulew]

Simi FT vs local. This is just the local guy who don't know how to look for a job. Where got IT job so lowly paid one. Even the lvl 1 helpdesk pple are higher paid then that idiot. It's his inability to look for a proper job that's the issue, not his "unrecognized" diploma.

 

[halsey02]

Ft 100 lt 0

 

[Nice-Gook]

It's a sad case.But a reality.

Fact 1.SG companies do not recognize most overseas qualifications by Singaporeans.But most FT they employ including their Chief Executives who comes from the very institutions they reject.

Thus the fallacy of their logic.

Fact 2.SG companies do no recognize paper qualifications obtained while working.For example,if a diploma holder with 5 yrs experience gets a degree.It's back to basics for the guy if he wants the degree recognized.In short,the 5 yrs experience is set aside.Becomes valueless.

Now,it's foolish to say why not seek a job elsewhere.The point being most people who improve their paper qualifications sees it and thus the subject pursued along with that of their current career.....hence to start afresh like a person just out form a U,even after 10yrs of experience is not really an option.

 

[wMulew]

It's a sad case.But a reality.

Fact 1.SG companies do not recognize most overseas qualifications by Singaporeans.But most FT they employ including their Chief Executives who comes from the very institutions they reject.

Thus the fallacy of their logic.

Fact 2.SG companies do no recognize paper qualifications obtained while working.For example,if a diploma holder with 5 yrs experience gets a degree.It's back to basics for the guy if he wants the degree recognized.In short,the 5 yrs experience is set aside.Becomes valueless.

Now,it's foolish to say why not seek a job elsewhere.The point being most people who improve their paper qualifications sees it and thus the subject pursued along with that of their current career.....hence to start afresh like a person just out form a U,even after 10yrs of experience is not really an option.

The jobscope of someone with a degree and 1 with a diploma is different. It is not unfair to treat him as a fresh grad since what he did and what he is going to do is different

For point 1, not all companies are like this. I know a lot of losers with half baked diplomas from "private schools" using those cert to find decent paying jobs. It's just the minority losers who probably have problems with interviews that cannot climb up

 

[Nice-Gook]

The jobscope of someone with a degree and 1 with a diploma is different. It is not unfair to treat him as a fresh grad since what he did and what he is going to do is different

For point 1, not all companies are like this. I know a lot of losers with half baked diplomas from "private schools" using those cert to find decent paying jobs. It's just the minority losers who probably have problems with interviews that cannot climb up

Typical Sinkie.

Jobscope of a degree holder and a diploma holder is different?.....than how does people arise from rank and file?

Are you telling me a reporter with a.' O 'level cannot arise to be an Editor over years of experience?

Rephrased,just because a fucken lousy lawyer has a law degree,that's good enough to succeed in his career?

No wonder Sinkie going down the drain with your mindset.

Which begets the question---what is a paper qualification?...it basically sets the parameter.At entry level.Nothing more,nothing less.

From than onwards,one ability,initiative and drive takes over from a mediocre to successful person.

If we extend your logic,Bill Gates and Steve Jobs,should be happy remaining a technician in Sim Lim.

 

[halsey02]

Typical Sinkie.

Jobscope of a degree holder and a diploma holder is different?.....than how does people arise from rank and file?

Are you telling me a reporter with a.' O 'level cannot arise to be an Editor over years of experience?

Rephrased,just because a fucken lousy lawyer has a law degree,that's good enough to succeed in his career?

No wonder Sinkie going down the drain with your mindset.

Which begets the question---what is a paper qualification?...it basically sets the parameter.At entry level.Nothing more,nothing less.

From than onwards,one ability,initiative and drive takes over from a mediocre to successful person.

If we extend your logic,Bill Gates and Steve Jobs,should be happy remaining a technician in Sim Lim.

Steve Jobs was a hippie...with that logic, he would have remained at Atari, smoked his hash & still be one of the wannabes!

 

[wMulew]

Typical Sinkie.

Jobscope of a degree holder and a diploma holder is different?.....than how does people arise from rank and file?

Are you telling me a reporter with a.' O 'level cannot arise to be an Editor over years of experience?

Rephrased,just because a fucken lousy lawyer has a law degree,that's good enough to succeed in his career?

No wonder Sinkie going down the drain with your mindset.

Which begets the question---what is a paper qualification?...it basically sets the parameter.At entry level.Nothing more,nothing less.

From than onwards,one ability,initiative and drive takes over from a mediocre to successful person.

If we extend your logic,Bill Gates and Steve Jobs,should be happy remaining a technician in Sim Lim.

Ur stupid idiotic logic makes no sense. Do U promote a 2WRO to a CPT and expect him to be able to do the job without any experience in the position? Do U promote a guy doing helpdesk into a Senior Server Admin just because he just got a degree? Do U promote a Salesman into senior manager just because he went and got himself some cert. Of cause not. The jobscope are totally different.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were not pormoted suddenly. They invented something and work their ass off from the very bottom to sell it and managed to succeed. They didn't suddenly go from 0 to COE in 1 day. They managed the company well through try and error just like how U would expect a fresh grad to learn from scratch to reach that of a senior position

 

[Nice-Gook]

Steve Jobs was a hippie...with that logic, he would have remained at Atari, smoked his hash & still be one of the wannabes!

And that Sim Wong Hoo was only a diploma holder.For that reason rejected by NTUC Zorro Lim for funding by our Economical Development Board.

By Lim swee Say logic all our Phd holders in Engineering should have outdone Sim to form their own multi nationals.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Ur stupid idiotic logic makes no sense. Do U promote a 2WRO to a CPT and expect him to be able to do the job without any experience in the position? Do U promote a guy doing helpdesk into a Senior Server Admin just because he just got a degree? Do U promote a Salesman into senior manager just because he went and got himself some cert. Of cause not. The jobscope are totally different.

You sound like a product of SAF.

Just look at your paper general Chan Chun Sing....do you want to be his soldier in real war?Hey,he is a scholar right.But for me I rather have a sergeant who is a Afgan veteran leading me than General Chan .

On the other hand coroprols had been promoted to officers in war situations.Hey,do you know what paper qualifications your general Winston Choo had?....don't know say don't know.Wiki only tells you what he ultimately obtained but not what he started with.Which again vindicates my position.

Talking about salesman?You absolutely have zilth idea it seems.Go and ask people who are in the sales line.They laugh at paper qualifications.If you want to be their manager.First you must command their respect.For that your sales reord must be super.Try getting sales by showing your master degree to your customers,

 

[wMulew]

Ur father's army ah. Promote Corporals to Officers.

 

[halsey02]

You sound like a product of SAF.

Just look at your paper general Chan Chun Sing....do you want to be his soldier in real war?Hey,he is a scholar right.But for me I rather have a sergeant who is a Afgan veteran leading me than General Chan .

On the other hand coroprols had been promoted to officers in war situations.Hey,do you know what paper qualifications your general Winston Choo had?....don't know say don't know.Wiki only tells you what he ultimately obtained but not what he started with.Which again vindicates my position.

Talking about salesman?You absolutely have zilth idea it seems.Go and ask people who are in the sales line.They laugh at paper qualifications.If you want to be their manager.First you must command their respect.For that your sales reord must be super.Try getting sales by showing your master degree to your customers,

I worked once in an IT sales company, their top sales person was a woman who looked like "Miss Courtney of Mind your language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAi9p11fHjwAN, she wasn't that qualified than those fancy 'young turks' with their Diplomas & Degrees, doesn't drive a car, who everyday talked about their car engines, makes & the next car they will buy etc., their sales were dismal despite their looks, cars & qualification. From that I learnt...it is your ability even you look like "miss courtney".

Diplomas & Degrees is a springboard, door opener, but you will jump off the cliff still or just plod along the most, but you can't beat "miss courtney" at sales, with that look & no car!!...it can't be a 'golden bun', there isn't any!:p

 

[chonburifc]

Diploma from SP and Ngee Ann during my time very 'sak ki' liaoz. Couldn't get in both due to my o level score too 'high'. :p