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Lieutenant General Lambasts China’s Political System

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Lieutenant General Lambasts China’s Political System
By Zhang Haishan
Aug 25, 2010 Last Updated: Aug 25, 2010

A prominent Chinese military commander has lambasted the Chinese political system in a recent interview and predicted a political transformation toward democracy within the next ten years.

Lieutenant General Liu Yazhou is the Political Commissar of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) University for National Defense.

His public statements make him the first senior active-duty military officer to publicly criticize the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) policies without backlash from the regime.

In a recent interview with Hong Kong’s Phoenix Weekly, Liu said, “A system that does not allow its citizens to breathe freely, nor to maximally unleash their creativity, nor puts those who can best represent the people in leadership positions, is doomed.”

He further pointed out that the former Soviet Union also used to stress [social] stability above all else and regarded it as the ultimate goal.

“Stressing stability as a principle of overriding importance, and moneymaking as the only way to settle everything, will only lead to contradictions being aggravated, and everything will come against you.”

Liu also predicted that a political transformation from authoritarianism to democracy will inevitably take place within ten years.

Expressing reprehension for the “money diplomacy” and “economic powerhouse” concepts embraced by the CCP, Liu said “having more money does not mean having more soft power.”

He also criticized the money worship that defines contemporary mainstream Chinese society, arguing that it has damaged China’s international image.

Liu’s statements were published in the latest Phoenix Weekly issue, in an article entitled “On the West.” An editorial statement said that the content was compiled from the interview with Liu and published without Liu’s final review or approval.

The Liu Yazhou Phenomenon

Liu’s out-of-line remarks have spread quickly across the Internet and have also drawn attention from outside China. Some have conjectured that his comments are a reflection of a factional struggle within the CCP prior to its 18th party congress in late 2012.

The 57 year-old military commander is also a member of the Central Commission for Disciplinary Inspection, a secretive, powerful internal CCP body that investigates corruption and violations of inter-Party norms.

He is the first senior active-duty military officer since 1989 to make outspoken public remarks in support of Chinese political reform and western political systems without being punished.

His remarks have not only shaken political circles in China, but have also drawn the attention of U.S. intelligence agencies and the U.S. military.
Liu Yazhou was born into a military family.
 
First thing I did was to see where article was from. As usual, epochtimes - a Falunggong back news paper. Some even hint that they have CIA backing.

As such must be taken with a pinch of salt. Kind of like Straits Times talking about YOG.


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/41543/

However even if we take article to be true, that in itself is a positive development. Wehn you have a large enough middle class then it is time for democracy - true democracy. Middle class have the education, finances to oppose the rich and powerful. Pointless for a poor country with tiny middle class to keep chanting democracy when tue is that they voices are never heard.

It has alwasy been economic development followed by calls for democracy never the other way around. When you are educated enough, you have travelled and read enough you will know what is best. As it is the Chinese are travelling all around the world (not restricted by Gov or financial ability), they are educated and have a good system of communication within the country. So information travels freely.
 
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First thing I did was to see where article was from. As usual, epochtimes - a Falunggong back news paper. Some even hint that they have CIA backing.

As such must be taken with a pinch of salt. Kind of like Straits Times talking about YOG.


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/41543/

However even if we take article to be true, that in itself is a positive development. Wehn you have a large enough middle class then it is time for democracy - true democracy. Middle class have the education, finances to oppose the rich and powerful. Pointless for a poor country with tiny middle class to keep chanting democracy when tue is that they voices are never heard.

It has alwasy been economic development followed by calls for democracy never the other way around. When you are educated enough, you have travelled and read enough you will know what is best. As it is the Chinese are travelling all around the world (not restricted by Gov or financial ability), they are educated and have a good system of communication within the country. So information travels freely.

If the article quotes a PLA general and indeed the quote is accurate, then what difference does it make about the source of the print ?. It can be Epoch times, the Antartic Times. THe timbuk 2 times.. whatever..!!

When you make a point, objectivity would be welcome.
 
“A system that does not allow its citizens to breathe freely, nor to maximally unleash their creativity, nor puts those who can best represent the people in leadership positions, is doomed.”....Sinkapore style..
 
“Stressing stability as a principle of overriding importance, and moneymaking as the only way to settle everything, will only lead to contradictions being aggravated, and everything will come against you.”

Hmmm.... This sounds like a political party I know in Singapore.
 
He's a hero.

However, he may be demoted soon...

not likely demoted, more likely suffer brain bleeding cause by a 9mm round.:rolleyes:

Anyway, he a political officer in the PLA, not exactly a field commander. Unlove by combat officers and men, so nobody will lift a finger to help him. More likely they will dennouce him.:cool:
 
First of all, this is NOT an outburst. Liu Yazhou has always been very vocal about China's development and has criticised their political scene for the past few years. This young fella is in the inner circle and almost untouchable. If I recall correctly his father in law was an ex premier or party chairman.

He's got the army and is close to the old guards. Some speculate he will be groomed to be the "king maker" of China. He is one name to watch our for in the next few years.

Another up and rising young cadre is the Chongqing mayor Bo Xilai.
 
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The same paper once said that 30,000 were resigning from Communist Party every day. If that is the case, by one year, no Communist Party would be left. Yet it is.

They obviously don't know that CCP membership is given out like awards. You can't just quit like that.

The paper likes BS, sorry to say.

When an underdog BS despite knowing it's an underdog, that is called Shooting Yourself in the Foot or Sinking Yourself Completely.
 
Ok just confirmed with my sifu. Coincidently Bo Xilai and Liu Yazhou have closer ties than I've realised.

Liu's father-in-law is Li Xiannian. Bo Xilai's laopeh is Bo Yi Bo. Li Xiannian and Bo senior were 2 of the Chinese Communist Party's legendary 八仙 - the 8 Immortals who lived thru the Long March with Mao and Deng.

So is Liu Yazhou going to be in hot soup for stating the obvious? I wouldn't bet on it.
 
The same paper once said that 30,000 were resigning from Communist Party every day. If that is the case, by one year, no Communist Party would be left. Yet it is.

They obviously don't know that CCP membership is given out like awards. You can't just quit like that.

The paper likes BS, sorry to say.

When an underdog BS despite knowing it's an underdog, that is called Shooting Yourself in the Foot or Sinking Yourself Completely.

hmmm...

The paper ( Epoch Times ) claimed 30, 000 members resigned everyday ?..

So there should be no party left , according to you ...

The Chinese Communist party has 32 million members.
Hence it would take a while.. ( Mathematically )
 
hmmm...

The paper ( Epoch Times ) claimed 30, 000 members resigned everyday ?..

So there should be no party left , according to you ...

The Chinese Communist party has 32 million members.
Hence it would take a while.. ( Mathematically )

This figure is 1 sided

How about the new members...
New members can easily eclipse the number who left..

Also, 30,000 who quit CCP are those who have amassed some corrupted money and emigrated to Western Nations. I doubt they dare to quit while in China. :rolleyes:
 
This figure is 1 sided

How about the new members...
New members can easily eclipse the number who left..

Also, 30,000 who quit CCP are those who have amassed some corrupted money and emigrated to Western Nations. I doubt they dare to quit while in China. :rolleyes:

Yes, you are right.
The new ones joining the party, , , after all party membership has its privileges, easy life and path to easy riches !!!
 
Ok just confirmed with my sifu. Coincidently Bo Xilai and Liu Yazhou have closer ties than I've realised.

Liu's father-in-law is Li Xiannian. Bo Xilai's laopeh is Bo Yi Bo. Li Xiannian and Bo senior were 2 of the Chinese Communist Party's legendary 八仙 - the 8 Immortals who lived thru the Long March with Mao and Deng.

So is Liu Yazhou going to be in hot soup for stating the obvious? I wouldn't bet on it.

This is communist china, anything can happen. If the then president Liu Shaoqi can be purged, what a Lt Gen in the PLA who happen to be son in law of Li Xiannian who died 18 years ago.
Bo senior died 3 yrs ago, so Bo junior foundation much stronger. At the very least, Bo is currently a Politburo member while Liu is not. In the event Liu is purge, Bo wont risk his position to save Liu.
 
This is communist china, anything can happen. If the then president Liu Shaoqi can be purged, what a Lt Gen in the PLA who happen to be son in law of Li Xiannian who died 18 years ago.
Bo senior died 3 yrs ago, so Bo junior foundation much stronger. At the very least, Bo is currently a Politburo member while Liu is not. In the event Liu is purge, Bo wont risk his position to save Liu.

I don't know the internal politics of the Party so I can't comment on Bo and Liu's working relationship.

But I do know for a fact that they are not the only 2nd generation princes of the Party and to make it so far up the pyramid they must have their own cliques and power bases.
 
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