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The mayor of Denver apologised for travelling to Mississippi after asking his whole city to stay home for Thanksgiving

Sinéad Baker
Nov 26, 2020, 9:41 PM
Chip Somodevilla/Getty ImagesMayor Michael Hancock of Denver in Washington, DC, in May 2017.
  • Denver’s mayor apologised for travelling to Mississippi for Thanksgiving despite asking people to avoid travel to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
  • Mayor Michael Hancock flew on the same day that he encouraged “virtual gatherings instead of in-person dinners” and said to “avoid travel, if you can.”
  • He later said: “I apologise to the residents of Denver who see my decision as conflicting with the guidance to stay at home for all but essential travel.”
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The mayor of Denver apologised for travelling to Mississippi for Thanksgiving after asking his city’s residents to stay at home for the holiday.
“I fully acknowledge that I have urged everyone to stay home and avoid unnecessary travel,” Mayor Michael Hancock, a Democrat, tweeted Wednesday.
He said he decided to travel to see his wife and his daughter in Mississippi on the grounds that “it would be safer for me to travel to see them than to have two family members travel back to Denver.”
He continued: “I recognise that my decision has disappointed many who believe it would have been better to spend Thanksgiving alone.”


“As a public official, whose conduct is rightly scrutinised for the message it sends to others, I apologise to the residents of Denver who see my decision as conflicting with the guidance to stay at home for all but essential travel.
“I made my decision as a husband and father, and for those who are angry and disappointed, I humbly ask you to forgive decisions that are borne of my heart and not my head.”
Hancock had tweeted on the same day that people should avoid travelling for Thanksgiving.
His tweet said “Stay home as much as you can, especially if you’re sick,” “Host virtual gatherings instead of in-person dinners,” and “Avoid travel, if you can.”


A representative for Hancock told The Denver Channel that “Upon return, he will follow all necessary health and safety guidance and quarantine.”
It also reported that Hancock said in a November 20 press conference that people should avoid meeting up with family members for Thanksgiving and implied he would do the same.
“So please, I urge everyone: Maybe get a small turkey this year and celebrate with just the host you live with,” he said.
“And after the meal, as we’re going to do, Zoom with your extended family — all your friends, everyone that you meet, and tell them that you look forward to seeing them real soon, and that maybe next year, maybe next year, we can all be together again.”
The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention recommended last Thursday that Americans not travel for Thanksgiving. Millions of Americans travelled anyway.

Its just a little light flu. And you are not a liar. :tongue::tongue::tongue: Only 500,000 dead in the United States alone. No big deal.:whistling:

http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend


470,974COVID-19 deaths
based on Current projection scenario by March 1, 2021
 
Its just a little light flu. And you are not a liar. :tongue::tongue::tongue: Only 500,000 dead in the United States alone. No big deal.:whistling:

http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend


470,974COVID-19 deaths
based on Current projection scenario by March 1, 2021

Let's assume that the situation is 3X worse than the articles that you choose to believe in. So what would be next? We all know that none of the measures make any difference because humans cannot control a respiratory virus.

Masks, even if they make a marginal difference do nothing to stop the spread and no vaccine is 100% effective. The virus will continue till it has done it's job no matter how many articles you copy and paste and no matter how many vaccines are brought to the market.

The solution is simple. Just go about life in a normal manner and let's take stock after the dust has settled.

In the meantime my suggestion is to not worry because I believe my data and not your articles. If you choose to believe otherwise it's your call. It certainly isn't my problem.
 
When the data did not suit the agenda the rules regarding covid-19 reporting were changed. Every shot at goal now counted as a goal even if the ball did not go into the net.

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Let's assume that the situation is 3X worse than the articles that you choose to believe in. So what would be next? We all know that none of the measures make any difference because humans cannot control a respiratory virus.

Masks, even if they make a marginal difference do nothing to stop the spread and no vaccine is 100% effective. The virus will continue till it has done it's job no matter how many articles you copy and paste and no matter how many vaccines are brought to the market.

The solution is simple. Just go about life in a normal manner and let's take stock after the dust has settled.

In the meantime my suggestion is to not worry because I believe my data and not your articles. If you choose to believe otherwise it's your call. It certainly isn't my problem.

Errrrr no. 500,000 COVID deaths in United States on top of 2.8 Million natural annual deaths account for 13% extra mortality Try again?









Ellis C Stevens

@EllisCStevens


COVID-19 Forecasts: Deaths | CDC CDC predicts 294,000 to 321,000 COVID-19 deaths by Dec. 19. That’s a 9/11 event every single day America!

WW II deaths of 405,500 by MLK Day? 1918 Flu deaths of 675,000 by Easter?



Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
cdc.gov
 
Errrrr no. 500,000 COVID deaths in United States on top of 2.8 Million natural annual deaths account for 13% extra mortality Try again?





Ellis C Stevens
@EllisCStevens


COVID-19 Forecasts: Deaths | CDC CDC predicts 294,000 to 321,000 COVID-19 deaths by Dec. 19. That’s a 9/11 event every single day America!

WW II deaths of 405,500 by MLK Day? 1918 Flu deaths of 675,000 by Easter?

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
cdc.gov


OK so what's next? We all stay home forever?
 
OK so what's next? We all stay home forever?

There is little point in discussing vaccines as no doubt you will sprout some disinformation about those as well, that is why I am not even going to go there :whistling:
 
There is little point in discussing vaccines as no doubt you will sprout some disinformation about those as well, that is why I am not even going to go there :whistling:
There is little point in discussing vaccines as there is no data yet. Data is what drives a search for the truth. Playing politics instead of relying on science is what is causing all the problems.
 
I am not an epidemiologist. And neither are you. :rolleyes:

Nobody is an expert when it comes to Covid. There is not a single epidemiologist out there who can predict what is going to happen with the infection.

However there are millions of people in the world who can accurately predict what will happen if we maintain these ridiculous lockdowns that do absolutely nothing but postpone the inevitable. Lockdowns are the luxury of the wealthy and those with iron rice bowls.

If the world continues with this lunacy there will be far more deaths caused by lockdowns than from Covid regardless of how the disease progresses.

Just get on with life. The current data shows that covid is no worse than the flu. There is no point in cowering in fear. You'll just die of something else.
 
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‘The lockdown has caused a humanitarian tragedy’
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Barrister Francis Hoar explains why the lockdown may have been unlawful.


‘The lockdown has caused a humanitarian tragedy’


The lockdown was one of the most restrictive measures ever introduced since Britain became a democracy. It was originally justified on the basis of ‘flattening the curve’ to protect the NHS. But since this was achieved some time ago, new reasons are always produced to keep us at home or prevent people from carrying out normal activities. Many of our legal rights are being infringed as a result. A legal challenge to the lockdown was launched by businessman Simon Dolan, who sought a judicial review of the government’s policies. Francis Hoar is a barrister who worked on his team. spiked caught up with him to ask why he thinks the lockdown was unlawful, and what damage he feels it has done.

spiked: In what ways was the lockdown unlawful?
Francis Hoar: It was arguably unlawful for three reasons. Firstly, the measures were not within the parameters of the 1984 Public Health Act. That act does not grant powers to lock down the country, impose restrictions on when people can leave their houses, go to church, meet others or protest. Secondly, the secretary of state for health, Matt Hancock, had ‘fettered his discretion’ in relation to how long the measures would last – that is to say, he provided five tests which had to be complied with, all of which related to the virus, before the regulations could be changed. This was unlawful because it prevented him from looking at all factors when making his decision.

Finally, the measures were arguably disproportionate breaches of rights protected in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), including Article Five, the right to liberty (impacted by regulations about when people could leave the house); Article Eight, the right to family and private lives; Article Nine, freedom of religious belief and expression; Article 11, the right to freedom of assembly and association; and Article Two, which relates to the right to education – impacted by the closure of schools.
spiked: In what ways were the measures disproportionate?

Hoar: Part of the question about proportionality relates to the number of Covid-19 deaths. Public Health England has admitted that many people listed as having died of coronavirus may actually have died due to something else. We know that the efficacy of testing is dubious. In the last few days an academic paper has been published which suggests that the virus can stay within the body for 10 weeks after a person is infectious – if somebody is tested for the virus now and tests positive, they could have had it at any point in the last 10 weeks. That is obviously significant, because the tests that are done today, and the case numbers that were used by the government to justify introducing severe restrictions on the people of Leicester for example, are affected by numbers that may include those who had the virus 10 weeks ago. It’s quite possible that large numbers of these individuals who tested positive do not have the virus or at least are not infectious with the virus, and so do not represent new cases. That’s a very concerning part of the political process, because those figures are used to calculate the R number (the rate of increase in the virus), which the government bases its measures on. If there’s so much inaccuracy, we have to ask if measures like those in Leicester are justified.
We also know that deaths peaked on 8 April. Chris Whitty admitted in evidence given to the House of Commons health committee that it was possible that the lockdown had had no effect on the R number going below one – the point at which infections decrease rather than increase. The average time from infection to death is approximately 23 days. This suggests that the R rate went below one around 16 March, which was well before the lockdown was introduced, and well before schools were closed. It was on that day that the famous Imperial College modelling was published and released to the public by the prime minister.

We have also known since late mid-April that hospital capacity wasn’t going to be overwhelmed. The only justification for the lockdown originally given, before those five tests the secretary of state introduced, was to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. Once it was realised that these measures were not necessary to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, there remained no justification for the lockdown on the original terms on which it was enacted. Since April, the government has been producing new reasons to justify their policies. Whether or not there is a problem with it legally, it does not provide sufficient justification for those policies when we know the enormous harms they have caused.
These harms were known to the government from an early stage. A government paper produced in April was recently published in the Telegraph, which forecast 200,000 deaths as a result of the closure of NHS facilities and the conditions of the lockdown. There is evidence to suggest the lockdown did not save many lives – in particular, research done at Bristol University and the remarkably similar trajectory Sweden had to the UK despite not having a strict lockdown are examples. We are therefore talking about a situation where vastly more lives were lost than saved. The lockdown has caused a humanitarian tragedy. And that is before we even think about the effects on education, on freedoms and on the economy.

spiked: Has it been harmful in a democratic sense, too?
Hoar: Irrespective of the lawfulness of its use of the 1984 Act, what is notable is that the government has used what’s called the Emergency Procedure under that act to introduce every piece of legislation that has restricted people’s movements, economic activity and so on. These have typically been introduced to parliament one working day before they came into force. None of them received any scrutiny by parliament before they were enacted. None of them were debated in detail in the media before they were passed – they could not be, because they were not published until a few hours beforehand. What scrutiny there has been came weeks later, often since there have been subsequent amendments to those regulations. The first time that parliament debated these changes was in late April, and that was around six weeks after they had been introduced. The Emergency Procedure allows for the regulations to be imposed four weeks before they are debated, but that is not four ordinary weeks – it is four weeks when the Houses of Parliament are sitting. They were not sitting in late March and April. Consequently, there was no obligation to put the measures before parliament and have any scrutiny for many, many weeks and potentially indefinitely. That’s a very real democratic concern.

Another democratic concern is that the opposition, whose duty it is to provide scrutiny for government measures, has failed to oppose the government’s use of the emergency legislation, at least for the first two months. There was no opposition to the principle of the restrictions. Indeed, the only opposition one heard from Labour and Liberal Democrats was calling for tougher restrictions, earlier restrictions and longer-lasting restrictions. There was almost no opposition on the Conservative benches. There are one or two honourable exceptions to that, including Steve Baker MP, but apart from that, almost none.
That is particularly significant because we were in a process where the government had very considerable control over the news stories. It introduced daily press conferences at peak times, knowing that the broadcast media was likely to broadcast them live. The broadcast media then were dominated by these press conferences, which were played out to a public that was prevented from leaving home by the government, and so watched these conferences in enormous numbers. Those press conferences provided nothing but a fear narrative that was focused uniquely on the virus and provided one news story. The media did the government’s bidding by following that narrative entirely, failing to consider alternative scientific perspectives, failing to consider other elements that are affected by these measures that are not the virus – that is to say the economy, public health in general, suicides, cancer patients, and cancelled important operations.

We know from the SAGE minutes, which were only produced after they had been requested in Simon Dolan’s legal challenge, that there was a specific intention to increase fear, to increase the perception of fear among people who were considered not to have had Covid yet, and to make people afraid not only for other people but for themselves.
spiked: How much opposition to the lockdown has there been from within the legal profession?

Hoar: There have been a number of barristers who have criticised the procedure by which legislation has been produced – the lack of democratic scrutiny and other elements. But it is right to say that there have been extremely few lawyers who have criticised the impact of these regulations on principle. And that is surprising because they are such obvious and incredibly serious depravations of very important and serious rights.
The response is that Article Two of the ECHR protects the right to life, and that justifies lockdown. Some lawyers no doubt agree with that. But the traditional understanding of Article Two is that it obliges the government to inform individuals of risks to their life, to protect against risks caused by government actions and to provide adequate investigation and redress against loss of life caused by the state. There isn’t any case law to suggest that the government has positive obligations to withdraw rights when there is a natural event such as a virus. In contrast, most of the rights protected by the ECHR have a venerable history in English law. All these very ancient rights have been removed by executive fiat under an act of parliament, without the need for parliamentary scrutiny.

Francis Hoar was talking to Paddy Hannam.

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Nobody is an expert when it comes to Covid. There is not a single epidemiologist out there who can predict what is going to happen with the infection.

However there are millions of people in the world who can accurately predict what will happen if we maintain these ridiculous lockdowns that do absolutely nothing but postpone the inevitable. Lockdowns are the luxury of the wealthy and those with iron rice bowls.

If the world continues with this lunacy there will be far more deaths caused by lockdowns than from Covid regardless of how the disease progresses.

Just get on with life. The current data shows that covid is no worse than the flu. There is no point in cowering in fear. You'll just die of something else.

Errrr I do not know who is "cowering in fear" if that is your perception, that is on you. There are many who have already gotten on with life. If you wish to post "its just a flu" you are distorting the truth. An extra 13% dead each year in the United States is not "normal"

We simply do not know the facts at this time. One day, we will.
 
Errrr I do not know who is "cowering in fear" if that is your perception, that is on you. There are many who have already gotten on with life. If you wish to post "its just a flu" you are distorting the truth. An extra 13% dead each year in the United States is not "normal"

We simply do not know the facts at this time. One day, we will.
Cowering in fear is the travel restrictions, the gathering restrictions, the rules regarding who you an or cannot visit, the mandate to wear a stupid piece of cloth on your face plus countless other ridiculous rules which have obviously done absolutely nothing to alter the course of the disease.

And I still do not believe the excess death figures because they don't jive with the official data.

I am not claiming to be an expert. All I'm doing is bringing to light the misinformation, lies and distortions perpetrated by the media.
 
Cowering in fear is the travel restrictions, the gathering restrictions, the rules regarding who you an or cannot visit, the mandate to wear a stupid piece of cloth on your face plus countless other ridiculous rules which have obviously done absolutely nothing to alter the course of the disease.

And I still do not believe the excess death figures because they don't jive with the official data.

I am not claiming to be an expert. All I'm doing is bringing to light the misinformation, lies and distortions perpetrated by the media.

Look, if you have "covid fatigue" and you happen to live in country where COVID is vitually nonexistant (NZ, Australia, etc) its natural to be frustrated with the government and to question why so many are adversely affected (businesses closed etc) and the hardship does not seem just.

You would have a point in such a scenario.

However, we live in a world where the Pandemic is raging in certain nations and taking a toll; they become scapegoats for other less affected nations to place restrictions.

This is an unfortunate byproduct of the Pandemic. We just dont have all the facts. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

But this Pandemic will not last forever, in some way, it will end. Every Pandemic has one way or the other.
 
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