Lance Armstrong banned and strip of his 7 Tour de France titles

[ConyuConhee]

When it comes to individual achievement, I couldn't care less where my hero is from or what colour or creed his is. My hero of the 80s was a Paki Muslim called Jahangir Khan. I still have a squash racquet with his signature on it.

this racquet has any guts

... hey i not stalking you!!!

where you buy your seatless bicycle??

thank you

 

[eatshitndie]

incredible support on this forum....

didnt his former team masseuse admitted she collected drugs for him then bought concealers to cover up injection marks? What about failing a dope test in his first TdF win but allowed to use a retrospective prescription?

So its clever of him to give up today thus not letting the matter go to arbitration and avoiding any incriminating evidence be presented

he's done quite a bit to fight cancer but come on, there is no doubt that he doped.

great points. us law experts specializing in sports are saying that affidavits from witnesses alone will destroy him when there is arbitration. he's playing delay tactics which infuriated officials. he can't deny forever and let public opinion decide. pete rose did the same thing with his baseball legacy under threat with great public support behind him, but after 15 years of denial, was called out and shamed. the generation who grew up with rose sympathizes. the younger gen treats him like a pariah, due to media and official final say. at the end, it's the official version that counts as new and younger generations look to the final version in their education and books when judging a sports celebrity. for my generation, armstrong is the best cyclist i have ever known and come to admire.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

incredible support on this forum....

didnt his former team masseuse admitted she collected drugs for him then bought concealers to cover up injection marks? What about failing a dope test in his first TdF win but allowed to use a retrospective prescription?

So its clever of him to give up today thus not letting the matter go to arbitration and avoiding any incriminating evidence be presented

he's done quite a bit to fight cancer but come on, there is no doubt that he doped.

When you are an american and white and you dope it's somehow not as henious as if you were a chinese and from china.

 

[scroobal]

I won't be surprised that they traced his supplier and his clandestine medical doctor and he cannot reach them.

 

[xebay11]

If Armstrong was Chinese he wouldn't have won 7 tours.

Racist c*unt.

 

[Liquigas]

The European cycling establishments are the most happy now that the American winner of 7 Tour titles are gone. The greatest cyclists are now their own kind, 5-time Tour winners Belgian Eddy Merckx and Miguel Indurain of Spain.

 

[yellowarse]

I won't be surprised that they traced his supplier and his clandestine medical doctor and he cannot reach them.

His doctors have all been caught and have received lifetime bans. They could testify against Armstrong, but what's the point if they couldn't save their own asses?

Anyway with 10 team-mates and even the make-up lady all willing to testify under oath, Armstrong knows his endgame's up. Better quit and leave an element of doubt than to go to arbitration and have all the sordid details dredged out.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-arms...-banned-doping/story?id=16750719#.UDg_Ohy66sE

According to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral, a cycling team doctor; Dr. Michele Ferrari, a cycling team consulting doctor; and Jose "Pepe" Martí Martí, a cycling team trainer, have all received lifetime bans as the result of anti-doping rule violations that occurred while they were working with Armstrong's former cycling teams.
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[yellowarse]

The European cycling establishments are the most happy now that the American winner of 7 Tour titles are gone. The greatest cyclists are now their own kind, 5-time Tour winners Belgian Eddy Merckx and Miguel Indurain of Spain.

Armstrong is a one-trick pony. Cycling cognoscenti and most of Armstrong's peers and agree that while Armstrong was the greatest cyclist of his era, he's far from being the greatest of all time. He has never won any Grand Tour event outside the TDF, and very few Classics. Try winning the TDF and Giro in the same year, and you'll appreciate the achievements of some of the true greats.

Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Fausto Coppi will easily rank ahead of Armstrong on most people's all-time greatest list.

 

[yellowarse]

When it comes to individual achievement, I couldn't care less where my hero is from or what colour or creed his is. My hero of the 80s was a Paki Muslim called Jahangir Khan. I still have a squash racquet with his signature on it.

Jahangir is the greatest squash player of all time in my books. Even Jansher comes a distant second.

 

[yellowarse]

Cheat or no cheat he still deserved every single victory simply because all his competition were doping too and they still couldn't touch him once the road pointed upwards.

Specious argument. No one - least of all his peers - denies that Armstrong was the first among doping equals. But many of his rivals were caught and had to serve suspensions, so why should he get away with it?

If he had stepped down from his pedestal, confessed, and agreed to arbitration, USADA would probably have let him get away with a slap on the wrist. But the arrogant arsehole chose to play hardball, and paid the price for it.

 

[Leongsam]

Specious argument. No one - least of all his peers - denies that Armstrong was the first among doping equals. But many of his rivals were caught and had to serve suspensions, so why should he get away with it?

Most were never punished. EG Kloden underwent illegal blood transfusions during the 2006 TDF but was never brought to justice for lack of evidence.

Many got away scott free and the doping came to light only because their conscience got the better of them and they admitted to doping... eg Eric Zabel won multiple green jerseys and confessed to doping but was never stripped of any of his wins. Bjarne Riis' doping activities only came to light when he confessed.

I'm pretty sure just about everyone was doping. Most of the Spanish riders got away with it simply because their governing body would never try to destroy their own national heros. Only the USA seems to take great pleasure in crucifying their own sporting icons.

If the spanish anti doping body opened a file on Indurain and started rounding up witnesses, I'd bet my botton dollar the truth would emerge but why would they do that? They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[numero uno]

Specious argument. No one - least of all his peers - denies that Armstrong was the first among doping equals. But many of his rivals were caught and had to serve suspensions, so why should he get away with it?

If he had stepped down from his pedestal, confessed, and agreed to arbitration, USADA would probably have let him get away with a slap on the wrist. But the arrogant arsehole chose to play hardball, and paid the price for it.

usual american white trash and all the hype. just recall a few years ago alot of USA newspapers and magazine calling him the greatest sportsman ever(just because he is an american) for winning the tour de france 7 times and some even called him super human because of his wins after chemotherapy for testicular cancer. in fcat alot of doctors already suspect he is on dope then and using EPO and steriods as chemotherapy would take away your stamiina and part of your lifespan. Now this guy has been proven to be a cheat. same for tiger woods and all his role model and sportsman sh!t articles in local and overseas papers until he was caught by his wife as nothing more than a serial womanizer . probe hard enough and I'm sure he is also on dope like ben johnson. seems all of USA is nothing but cheaters like their bankers and feds.

 

[scroobal]

I was told that the testimony of 10 team mates is the teaser. The full load is the unusual yet conistent pattern of travel and people who designed the travel and the reasons behind it. He can create doubts amongst his many fans by questioning the motives of his team mates who are witnesses but he will be hard put to explain away the travel pattern.

I think that all those associated with him decided that his arrogance needed to be brought down a whole lot lower.

His doctors have all been caught and have received lifetime bans. They could testify against Armstrong, but what's the point if they couldn't save their own asses?

Anyway with 10 team-mates and even the make-up lady all willing to testify under oath, Armstrong knows his endgame's up. Better quit and leave an element of doubt than to go to arbitration and have all the sordid details dredged out.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-arms...-banned-doping/story?id=16750719#.UDg_Ohy66sE

According to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral, a cycling team doctor; Dr. Michele Ferrari, a cycling team consulting doctor; and Jose "Pepe" Martí Martí, a cycling team trainer, have all received lifetime bans as the result of anti-doping rule violations that occurred while they were working with Armstrong's former cycling teams.
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[Clone]

Why I am seeing more and more Lance Armstrong look-alikes on our roads?

For f**k's sake, do everyone a favour, please get off the roads.

 

[neddy]

Tour de France 2013 starting soon.

The past winners ...

 

[Leongsam]

Tour de France 2013 starting soon.

The past winners ...

Oscar Pereiro should be in red. He was part of Phonak just the year before Floyd "won".

Beloki clean? That's a good one.

Bobby Julich has already confessed.

Can't believe Menchov is clean.

Cadel Evans is probably clean or he wouldn't have those bad days where he can't pedal up the mountains.

Andy Schleck??? His brother dopes. Is he clean?

 

[escher]

Lance Armstrong competing in cycling is far more honest than smear of shit on sole of shoe Lee Kuan Yew and his fucking PAP maggots in running for
elections in Singapore.

LKY will blow off kneecaps of his opponents, stacked the judges with his men and kangaroos, silence all speaking against him before LKY dare to compete.

LKY AND PAP ARE FUCKING ILLEGITIMATE REGIME OF SINGAPORE

 

[Leongsam]

The latest news on this never ending saga :

Vayer casts doubt over performances of Indurain and Jalabert

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Spain's Miguel Indurain celebrates his fifth consecutive win in 1995

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Says Armstrong was some way behind in doping race

Former Festina coach Antoine Vayer has cast doubt on performances produced by Miguel Indurain and Laurent Jalabert in Grand Tours during the 1990s, describing them as only being achievable by “mutants”. Working in collaboration with French daily Le Monde, Vayer has been calculating the power output of the sport’s top stage racers on major climbs since 1999 and has regularly suggested that many of them were beyond belief.

Asked about the World Anti-Doping Agency’s description of disgraced Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong as benefiting from “the most effective doping program in history,” Vayer responded, “With his record average of 438 watts on the 2001 Tour, ‘The Boss’ only manages sixth place in our palmarès. He looks almost like a bit-part player next to ‘king’ Miguel Indurain, who has five Tours to his credit. The Spaniard seems unlikely to be dethroned thanks to his average of 455 watts in the 1995 edition… The fact that Armstrong’s reign began after the Festina affair in 1998 and the introduction of the EPO test forced him to pay more ‘attention’. He couldn’t take EPO in an unlimited way like his predecessors”.

Speaking to Le Monde two days before the publication of his new book, "La Preuve par 21", which investigates the power output of Tour de France winners since 1983, Vayer also put together a list of the Tour winners who had produced the greatest power output over the course of the last 30 years, ranking Indurain (1995 version) at the top with 455 watts, ahead of Bjarne Riis (449) and Marco Pantani (446).

According to Vayer’s rating scale, any figure over 450 falls into the “mutant” category, while those between 430 and 450 are described as “miraculous”. Three more Tour winners appear among the “miraculous” – Jan Ullrich (441), Alberto Contador in 2009 (439) and Lance Armstrong in 2001 (438).

Asked if any Tour winner since 1983 is beyond suspicion, Vayer said Greg LeMond “seems to have always produced ‘human’ performances”. He gave LeMond’s average power output during his three Tour-winning years as 381 watts in 1986, 408 in 1989, and 407 in 1990. He added that “following the arrival of EPO at the start of the 1990s, any rider who could produce 400 watts for 20 minutes could subsequently manage to put out 440 watts over 40 minutes! That was the case with the Dane Bjarne Riis… who, in 1993 was stuck at 399 watts, but progressed to 449 watts during his winning Tour in 1996 when he was 32. LeMond remained at 410 watts after 1990 and was dropped by older riders who had become thoroughbreds.

With regard to Laurent Jalabert, a sprinter in his early years as a pro and twice crowned King of the Mountains at the Tour towards the end of his career, Vayer said, “During the Vueltas of 1996 and 1997, the former [Tour de France] green jersey climbed to Lagos de Covadonga, 8.5km at 9.18%, in less than 25 minutes, producing 468 and 478 watts, respectively. On the Tour, we even had to re-baptise the ascent of the Col de Mende the ‘Montée Jalabert’, after his 495 watts in 1995!”

Vayer describes the last 30 years as being split into three different eras. “Before 1990, we were in the pre-EPO era: riders were flirting with the figure of 410 watts thanks to corticoids and steroids. Then there was a leap to 450 watts with the arrival of massive usage of EPO up to 1998. After the introduction of the EPO test, blood transfusions made a big return: that was in the Armstrong era, where levels stabilised at 430 watts. Since 2011, we can talk about a new ‘mixed’ era where performances have taken a step down but there are some suspect power outputs above 410 watts.”

The former Festina coach describes Cadel Evans’ 2011 Tour-winning average of 406 watts as being in the “green” zone below 410 watts.

 

[Raiders]

You bikers are damn disgusting! Keep the damn tight shorts on the seat on your bicycles and not on train seats. Fucking disgusting! :oIo:

 

[wendychan]

I was told that the testimony of 10 team mates is the teaser. The full load is the unusual yet conistent pattern of travel and people who designed the travel and the reasons behind it. He can create doubts amongst his many fans by questioning the motives of his team mates who are witnesses but he will be hard put to explain away the travel pattern.

I think that all those associated with him decided that his arrogance needed to be brought down a whole lot lower.

as usual you were "told"
jesus christ...