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Kwa Soon Bee - the real cause for doctor shortage in Singapore today

Lee5604

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Kwa Soon Bee (brother of Kwa Geok Choo, and Lee Kuan Yew's brother-in -law) in 1993 who was the Permanent Secretary of Health then, reduced the number of medical degrees recognised by the Singapre Medical Council (SMC) from 176 to 28.

His reasoning was that he wanted to prevent an 'oversupply' of doctors. So by passing the Medical Registration Act (cap 174) 1993, only 28 medical degrees were recognised by the SMC for registration.

And of course in 1979, he was also responsible for putting a cap (limited to one third of the intake of each cohort) on the number of female medical students to pursue the MBBS course at NUS.

In short, he caused the shortage of doctors today in Singapore, so that is why you have Indian doctors whith Indian Medical degrees and PRC Chinese doctors with China degrees working in the restructured hospitals and polyclinics.

The local Singapore students (especially female students) who wanted to study medicine were not given the chance then. Now, today Indian and PRC doctors stand to gain by taking the places of these students then (who were not allowed to take up medicine).

Kwa Soon Bee you, in a word you are: - incompetent
 

batman1

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Kwa Soon Bee (brother of Kwa Geok Choo, and Lee Kuan Yew's brother-in -law) in 1993 who was the Permanent Secretary of Health then, reduced the number of medical degrees recognised by the Singapre Medical Council (SMC) from 176 to 28.

His reasoning was that he wanted to prevent an 'oversupply' of doctors. So by passing the Medical Registration Act (cap 174) 1993, only 28 medical degrees were recognised by the SMC for registration.

And of course in 1979, he was also responsible for putting a cap (limited to one third of the intake of each cohort) on the number of female medical students to pursue the MBBS course at NUS.

In short, he caused the shortage of doctors today in Singapore, so that is why you have Indian doctors whith Indian Medical degrees and PRC Chinese doctors working in the restructured hospitals and polyclinics.

The local Singapore students (especially female students) who wanted to study medicine were not given the chance then. Now, today Indian and PRC doctors stand to gain by taking the places of these students then (who were not allowed to take up medicine).

Kwa Soon Bee you, in a word you are: - incompetent

The family members like the mafia family can do no wrong,they are protected no matter what wrongs they have committed .In fact,they will be promoted with double or triple promotions with distinctions and awarded with large financial rewards for their "daft" decisons ! LOL !!!!!
 

scroobal

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You are absolutely right. It was just so bizarre that they held back on vocations that takes such a long time to train and come up to speed. I also understand that Singapore Medical Council supported him and many were facing competition in HDB estates and wanted to restrict the field.

Somehow the aging population, immigrants and transient workers were not factored in. Yet in 1990, they began to tout Singapore as medical hub for the region without additional resources.



Kwa Soon Bee (brother of Kwa Geok Choo, and Lee Kuan Yew's brother-in -law) in 1993 who was the Permanent Secretary of Health then, reduced the number of medical degrees recognised by the Singapre Medical Council (SMC) from 176 to 28.
 
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sodoMee

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You are absolutely right. It was just so bizarre that they held back on vocations that takes such a long time to train and come up to speed. I also understand that Singapore Medical Council supported him and many were facing competition in HDB estates and wanted to restrict the field.

Somehow the aging population, immigrants and transient workers were not factored in. Yet in 1990, they began to tout Singapore as medical hub for the region without additional resources.

Which is worse? Getting treated by doctors who comes from India and China or getting treatment from doctors with fake degrees?
 

halsey02

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Which is worse? Getting treated by doctors who comes from India and China or getting treatment from doctors with fake degrees?

Which is worse? getting killed by a doctor whose degree from The Medical College of Mumbai, or University of Irrawaldy?, or getting killed by politician whose intentions are FAKED...as in "helping the poor", "no one is left behind"...

Take the choice!:wink:
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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The PAPies have planned Singapore 20-30 years ahead, in terms of social engineering. What you see as incompetence is actually part of a carefully laid out plan years ago, starting from the stop at two campaign.

When you deal with LKY, you have to think at least four or five steps ahead, at least.

It has been ages since LKY said that his goal is to make Sinkies work and work and pay and pay so that they don not have time to partake in politics en masse.

When the step at two was first started, it was readily seen that it would lead to trouble down the road. But the PAPies knew they could import as many FTs as they needed and thus it wasn't a problem for them when Sinkies have too few babies. It was part of their plan. They knew that a sizeable portion of the population will tulan them after awhile. But they also knew that the FTs and PRs will help them retain power.

Our shortage of doctors and state expenditure on health is one of the worst in the world amongst developed nations and has been such for at least two or more decades.

All those wishing that the PAPies will change their spots after LKY goes to hell are delusional. The PAPies, under LKY have already planned ahead for the next 20-30 years in terms of social engineering the country.

You can expect more FTs, more hardships for middle and lower income people and a continued strangle-hold on mainstream media and a continue to live under emergency laws since our independence.

You all better vote out the PAP in the next GE because the next 4-6 years is crucial for us to get back the country. Otherwise, not only will you all be a minority in your own country but you will have to survive another round of social engineering that aims to dilute your rights as a human being and a citizen of your own country.

You all must realise that a few dumb PAPpy ministers are put out there for show. There are a few diabolically clever people with all the right numbers to make decisions to ensure that the PAPies and their cronies benefit while the larger majority suffer.

They knew what they were doing years ago with the stop at two policy and the many other policies since then that make it economically and socially difficult for Singaporeans to procreate.

Never, ever make the mistake to think that the PAPies are benevolent. They are deceitful and self-serving and they have many times said that they put themselves either higher or on the same level as the country. In other words, they will do what it takes to stay in power even if it is at the detriment of the country.

Vote them out while you have a chance and while your family members still have a chance. They have sold you out and will continue to do so unless you do something about it.
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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You are absolutely right. It was just so bizarre that they held back on vocations that takes such a long time to train and come up to speed. I also understand that Singapore Medical Council supported him and many were facing competition in HDB estates and wanted to restrict the field.

Somehow the aging population, immigrants and transient workers were not factored in. Yet in 1990, they began to tout Singapore as medical hub for the region without additional resources.

Singapore is indeed a medical hub. Take note of the number of expensive private hospitals in Singapore. The PAPies and their high class cronies have no problems with healthcare because they can afford the private hospitals.

The peasants can rot in the AE room for all they care. The PAPies have spent very little on health care relative to other developed countries. But when you add in the private hospitals, there is actually a lot spent on promoting the country as a medical hub.

The short story is to stop believeing that the PAPies can be dumb or that they are kind. If you harbour any of these feelings then you are a victim of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Economics 101 would already tell you that lowering birthrates will lead to major issues 20 years down the road as the younger population will not be able to sustain a larger, older population. FUrther, note that they have never initiated any viable policy since then to promote procreation amongst Sinkies.

All their policies aimed at increasing the procreation rate in SG are half baked and designed to fail but used as a weapon incase there are desenters. A totally controlled media and compliant police and judiciary ensured that no proper debate or study of the policies were put to pace.

Just stop believing in the PAP. As far as the PAP is concerned, it should be clear that they have no interest in Singaporeans. Their main interest is in self-preservation at all costs, including Singaporeans and Singapore.

ALl these were planned many years ago. ANd they have many other plans for the next 20-30 years and you can rest assured that nothing from within will change them because they have a doctrine that does nothing but ensures their place at the top of the food chain and at the front of the banking queue.
 

methink

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Instead of making sinkieland a centre of medical excellence, we restricted our ppl from being trained as doctors, engineers, etc

We should have been producing more of such highly qualified professional ppl and export them to other countries. Instead we are now having to import them to work here while our graduates in other discipline are jobless.

MIWs felt that these ppl are a threat to them, so restricted their numbers. Now doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, bankers, administrators, etc of all shapes and sizes from foreign lands are employed in place of our own kind.

And our ministars are paid millions to do this?
 

po2wq

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Which is worse? Getting treated by doctors who comes from India and China or getting treatment from doctors with fake degrees?
wat if ze doctor cum fr india or china n hv a fake degree? ... :eek:

*touch wood* ...
 

Watchman

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Instead of making sinkieland a centre of medical excellence, we restricted our ppl from being trained as doctors, engineers, etc

We should have been producing more of such highly qualified professional ppl and export them to other countries. Instead we are now having to import them to work here while our graduates in other discipline are jobless.

MIWs felt that these ppl are a threat to them, so restricted their numbers. Now doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, bankers, administrators, etc of all shapes and sizes from foreign lands are employed in place of our own kind.

And our ministars are paid millions to do this?


Fark the PAP for their myopic protectionism of the Elite children !
 

Loofydralb

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The Kwa family didn't just stop there.

They destroyed the Singapore Zoo and Jurong Bird Park after.

Now both are like a lost world. Nobody visits and reputations lost.
 

Papsmearer

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The PAPies have planned Singapore 20-30 years ahead, in terms of social engineering. What you see as incompetence is actually part of a carefully laid out plan years ago, starting from the stop at two campaign.

When you deal with LKY, you have to think at least four or five steps ahead, at least.

It has been ages since LKY said that his goal is to make Sinkies work and work and pay and pay so that they don not have time to partake in politics en masse.

Yah, this is true, That has been one of his main objectives, to make the average sinkie run in a rat race trying to keep their heads up above water and they become to busy to get interested in politics. This does not only apply to making a living, but to all aspects of life. That is why you have so many complicated and unnecessary rules when it come to education for the kids, buying a car, even buying a flat etc. People are so caught up playing by the rules, and trying to get an angle on the rules, they have very little relax time anymore.


When the step at two was first started, it was readily seen that it would lead to trouble down the road. But the PAPies knew they could import as many FTs as they needed and thus it wasn't a problem for them when Sinkies have too few babies. It was part of their plan. They knew that a sizeable portion of the population will tulan them after awhile. But they also knew that the FTs and PRs will help them retain power.

I cannot agree with this. Currently, FTs and PRs cannot vote in any elections. AT the first sign of trouble, these people will get out as fast as possible. Many of these people are critical of the PAP themselves.

Our shortage of doctors and state expenditure on health is one of the worst in the world amongst developed nations and has been such for at least two or more decades.

Yes, this is true. You can see the writing on the wall when they started implementing Medisave. It was a ploy to build up your medical account before they cut you off the govt. health plan.

All those wishing that the PAPies will change their spots after LKY goes to hell are delusional. The PAPies, under LKY have already planned ahead for the next 20-30 years in terms of social engineering the country.

You can expect more FTs, more hardships for middle and lower income people and a continued strangle-hold on mainstream media and a continue to live under emergency laws since our independence.

You all better vote out the PAP in the next GE because the next 4-6 years is crucial for us to get back the country. Otherwise, not only will you all be a minority in your own country but you will have to survive another round of social engineering that aims to dilute your rights as a human being and a citizen of your own country.

Chao, this is where I have some bad news for you. you say the PAP is very smart and forward thinking, than what makes you so sure they will allow the electorate to vote them out? Do you not think they have plans in place that makes sure they never lose power in S'pore? U already mention the emergency laws, etc. Very simply put, they cannot relinquish power even if they wanted to. They have so many corruption, conflict of interests, etc. sleletons in the closet that the next govt. will have them all arrested. U already know that right now, 80% of all judges in S'pore can go to jail for being biased in favour of the PAP and their elites. Not to mention the entire Kwa and Lee extended family and their PAP elite cronies. U can throw in many high ranking members of the police force, ISD, CPIB, CAD, Inland Revenue etc. who were implicit and complicit in aiding and abetting the PAP to enforce illegal actions against its own citizens. How can these people dare to allow an oppo victory?

You all must realise that a few dumb PAPpy ministers are put out there for show. There are a few diabolically clever people with all the right numbers to make decisions to ensure that the PAPies and their cronies benefit while the larger majority suffer.

They knew what they were doing years ago with the stop at two policy and the many other policies since then that make it economically and socially difficult for Singaporeans to procreate.

Never, ever make the mistake to think that the PAPies are benevolent. They are deceitful and self-serving and they have many times said that they put themselves either higher or on the same level as the country. In other words, they will do what it takes to stay in power even if it is at the detriment of the country.

Vote them out while you have a chance and while your family members still have a chance. They have sold you out and will continue to do so unless you do something about it.

Chao, if you want to see the PAP out, you will have to use other means than the legal vote. The reson is there is no legal vote in singapore. You have to look at case studies of other countries like Taiwan and South Korea and see how they got rid of their dictators. In particular, the Taiwan situation closely resembles ours in that the KMT ruld Taiwan with a iron fist for decades.
 
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