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‘I Want to Try and Get to Heaven’: Trump Gets Reflective on ‘Fox & Friends’
President Trump cast his effort to broker peace in Ukraine in existential terms.Listen to this article · 3:03 min Learn more
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By Shawn McCreesh
Shawn McCreesh covers the White House. He reported from Washington.
- Aug. 19, 2025
President Trump dialed into “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday morning and revealed his newest and truest motivation for brokering an end to the war in Ukraine: He’s worried he might not get into heaven after he dies.
“I want to try and get to heaven, if possible,” he explained. “I’m hearing I’m not doing well. I am really at the bottom of the totem pole. But if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons.”
Holy mother of God! What a thing to say at 8 o’clock in the morning.
This would have been a highly unusual admission from any president, but it seemed especially out of character coming from this one. The man who is regarded as a messiah by many of his own supporters — a belief he has encouraged at every turn — says now that he knows he’s no saint.
