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Serious Kiev vs Moscow! Showdown! (2022)
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The longer Zelensky holds off negotiations, the smaller Ukraine will become
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Pope Francis delivers his Sunday prayer from the window overlooking St. Peter's Square in the Vatican.VINCENZO PINTO/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
ROME—Pope Francis said the “barking of NATO at the door of Russia” may have led to the invasion of Ukraine and that he didn't know whether other countries should supply Ukraine with more arms.
The pope at the same time deplored the brutality of the war and criticized the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church for defending the invasion in religious terms, warning that he “cannot turn himself into Putin’s altar boy.”
Pope Francis made his remarks in an interview with Italian daily Corriere Della Sera. He described Russia’s attitude to Ukraine as “an anger that I don’t know whether it was provoked but was perhaps facilitated” by the presence in nearby countries of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Since February, Pope Francis has deplored the suffering of Ukrainians and denounced the invasion but refrained from explicitly naming Russia as the aggressor, reflecting both a Vatican tradition of neutrality and his own agenda of better relations with the Russian Orthodox Church, as well as a reluctance to align the Vatican with U.S. foreign policy.
“In Ukraine, it was other states that created the conflict,” Pope Francis said in the interview, without identifying which states. He likened the war to other conflicts that he said were fomented by international interests: “Syria, Yemen, Iraq, one war after another in Africa.”
“I don’t know how to answer—I am too far away—whether it is right to supply the Ukrainians” with weapons, the pope said. “What’s clear is that in this land arms are being tested… Wars are fought for this: to test the arms we have made.”
He also compared the war to 20th-century civil wars in Spain and Rwanda.
In the past, Ukrainians have criticized the pope for describing their conflicts with Russia as “fratricidal,” which they have said plays down Moscow’s aggression.
The pope said that he was ready to travel to Moscow to meet with President Vladimir Putin to appeal for peace, but that the Kremlin hadn't responded to the offer. He said he told the Russian ambassador to the Vatican at the start of the war: “Please stop.”
Pope Francis said Hungarian President Viktor Orban told him last month that the Kremlin had a plan to end the war on May 9, when Russia celebrates its victory over Nazi Germany.
Pope Says NATO Might Have Provoked Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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Pope Francis delivers his Sunday prayer from the window overlooking St. Peter's Square in the Vatican.VINCENZO PINTO/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
ROME—Pope Francis said the “barking of NATO at the door of Russia” may have led to the invasion of Ukraine and that he didn't know whether other countries should supply Ukraine with more arms.
The pope at the same time deplored the brutality of the war and criticized the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church for defending the invasion in religious terms, warning that he “cannot turn himself into Putin’s altar boy.”
Pope Francis made his remarks in an interview with Italian daily Corriere Della Sera. He described Russia’s attitude to Ukraine as “an anger that I don’t know whether it was provoked but was perhaps facilitated” by the presence in nearby countries of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Since February, Pope Francis has deplored the suffering of Ukrainians and denounced the invasion but refrained from explicitly naming Russia as the aggressor, reflecting both a Vatican tradition of neutrality and his own agenda of better relations with the Russian Orthodox Church, as well as a reluctance to align the Vatican with U.S. foreign policy.
“In Ukraine, it was other states that created the conflict,” Pope Francis said in the interview, without identifying which states. He likened the war to other conflicts that he said were fomented by international interests: “Syria, Yemen, Iraq, one war after another in Africa.”
“I don’t know how to answer—I am too far away—whether it is right to supply the Ukrainians” with weapons, the pope said. “What’s clear is that in this land arms are being tested… Wars are fought for this: to test the arms we have made.”
He also compared the war to 20th-century civil wars in Spain and Rwanda.
In the past, Ukrainians have criticized the pope for describing their conflicts with Russia as “fratricidal,” which they have said plays down Moscow’s aggression.
The pope said that he was ready to travel to Moscow to meet with President Vladimir Putin to appeal for peace, but that the Kremlin hadn't responded to the offer. He said he told the Russian ambassador to the Vatican at the start of the war: “Please stop.”
Pope Francis said Hungarian President Viktor Orban told him last month that the Kremlin had a plan to end the war on May 9, when Russia celebrates its victory over Nazi Germany.
Angmorika has not given him the ok.
They have just granted US/UK citizenship to Zelensky and his inner circle. Meanwhile from the west, Poland is staging to take back Lvov (traditional Polish city). Ordinary Ukrainians are screwed
US unfortunately will not stop until russia losses or ruined financially plus a regime change.
Just translate within telegram as message is read
what's this? Russkie porn?
I don’t know how people read the barrage of visits of western politicians to KYIV. Apparently it has become a very popular spot for photoshoot and you need to come with a gift to take a picture with the most celebrated President Zelensky. It seems Boris Johnson’s ratings soared after his walk with Zelensky in KYIV. German Premier was not even given permission! It is really quite comical that Blinken and Austin has to come first, and then Pelosi. In the famous words of Pinkyslut “Wayang to the max!”. The way I read it… Zelensky must have threatened to surrender and give up every other day. So each time they need to send someone in with promises of more support “we are with you”. In short, it smells of desperation
Better than that… it is called “no bullshit”what's this? Russkie porn?
After progress of the discussions in Istanbul was reversed, Putin told the UNSG Guterres there will be no ceasefire, aka no discussions. I suppose that was Putin's Rubicon moment. Russian media preparing the public for a long conflict.
Really LHL should also visit to show solidarity.
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