Kevin Rudd told US it should be prepared to use force in China

[limpeh2]

The end result is the USA won in Iraq and I think you need to revisit the concept of "war" - people die.

The US is still fighting a war. Guerrilla warfare is still war. It is a war of attrition in which they can't win.

What objectives've US & friends achieved other than getting whooped to this day in spite of overwhelming "superiority" in firepower?

Increasing Arab hatred for the west. Checked.
More insurgents & IEDs. Checked.
Ballooning military budget & economy going downhill. Checked.

A war with the PRC is a moot point - since the PRC and the USA have a deterrent threat against each other

You can't fight your banker. Period. All these sabre-rattling by non-consequential turd world white countries like arsetralia, is just that - an angmo 2-headed snake ex-pm reaffirming allegiance & position as a lapdog to the white world politics.

You might also contact the Republican Caucus and tell them the US defense budget of 500 billion is untenable but then they might point out that its been that large for many, many years.

So what if the us outspends prc in its military budget?
The budgetary size in this context means very little, if anything because of the economy of scale.

Just because you spent 10 times more doesn't mean you'll attain 10 times the productivity.

For example, researching advanced ballistic missile guidance technology costs 10 times less in the prc than the us.

For the us to persist in overspending on their military budget at the expense of their local economy & citizen welfare, they're dooming their country faster than they can conquer & pillage another resource-rich country to bolster their faltering empire.

 

[Zombie]

but in the end it resulted in the US achieving its goals
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The US still have vastly more firepower than the PRC so in a conventional war the US should of course decimate the PRC.

1) What goals? WMDs? They keep changing their goals until people no longer know.

2) Of course US has more firepower than PRC. But who is willing to take more damage? Remember that US mainland cities are too far away for their enemies since ??????. Not for China. And we don't know whether PRC got crazy commanders.

 

[scroobal]

After all the talk and comparisons, every PRC family is dying to send their kids to the Ivy League, every kid wants to move to the States.

That is the pull of the West. Like it or not, class and excellence is always a drawcard. Look at Russia, a former superpower and it ended up defaulting and now its basically a lawless entity.

Lets not worry too much about which is better military wise, just makes sure that you are in the right crowd where class and excellence is concerned.

I recall that when old man suggested that we send scholars to China, Japan and France other than the traditional destinations countries, there was concern that no smart kid with good academic results would not apply for China. They were right. Some level of cajoling had to take place.

 

[Zombie]

That is the pull of the West. Like it or not, class and excellence is always a drawcard.

If US think that all the treasures are in the West, they won't be messing around in Asia.

 

[longbow]

Things change. In the 50s many were still sending their best and brightest to Ox-Bridge. Nowadays everyone wants to go to Stanford and Harvard. Fast forward another 30 years who can really tell.

After all the talk and comparisons, every PRC family is dying to send their kids to the Ivy League, every kid wants to move to the States.

That is the pull of the West. Like it or not, class and excellence is always a drawcard. Look at Russia, a former superpower and it ended up defaulting and now its basically a lawless entity.

Lets not worry too much about which is better military wise, just makes sure that you are in the right crowd where class and excellence is concerned.

I recall that when old man suggested that we send scholars to China, Japan and France other than the traditional destinations countries, there was concern that no smart kid with good academic results would not apply for China. They were right. Some level of cajoling had to take place.

 

[limpeh2]

I recall that when old man suggested that we send scholars to China, Japan and France other than the traditional destinations countries, there was concern that no smart kid with good academic results would not apply for China. They were right. Some level of cajoling had to take place.

Well, no one ever said the (western) yoke of cultural imperialism would be easy to shake off.

The west only appears good because of hollywood.

But unfortunately, as they say, victors do not write history, only propaganda, which we're still sucking up via hollywood.

 

[Royalblood]

The west looks good only becoz of Asia. They plundered resources from Asia and use them to make their countries powerful and fantastic looking. And the Asians, attracted by the powerful and wealthy image projected by the west, continue to throw money and expertise at the west.....

This is a fucking vicious cycle where the opportunistic west will benefit at the expense of the East.

 

[Aussie Prick]

What objectives've US & friends achieved other than getting whooped to this day in spite of overwhelming "superiority" in firepower?
Increasing Arab hatred for the west. Checked.
More insurgents & IEDs. Checked.
Ballooning military budget & economy going downhill. Checked.

You can't fight your banker. Period. All these sabre-rattling by non-consequential turd world white countries like arsetralia, is just that - an angmo 2-headed snake ex-pm reaffirming allegiance & position as a lapdog to the white world politics.

So what if the us outspends prc in its military budget?
The budgetary size in this context means very little, if anything because of the economy of scale.

Just because you spent 10 times more doesn't mean you'll attain 10 times the productivity.

For example, researching advanced ballistic missile guidance technology costs 10 times less in the prc than the us.

For the us to persist in overspending on their military budget at the expense of their local economy & citizen welfare, they're dooming their country faster than they can conquer & pillage another resource-rich country to bolster their faltering empire.

Are you confusing the Obama administration with the Bush administration? The nonexistant WMDs were a major embarrassment to Bush but the tide has turned at the end of his term in 2008 and the Obama Administration's election promise was to complete the job and get out of Iraq. To this end, the Obama administration has completed its task of the Bush Admin i.e. installing an autonomous govt, and leaving the running of the country to Maliki.

Since the Obama administration has taken over, the sentiment of the US in the Middle East has improved dramatically as seen in the Wikileaks Cable leaks. Its surprising to learn suddenly most Middle Eastern leaders are closly allied with the Obama Administration and is leaning on the US to deal with the top common threat of Iran and to Hillary Clinton's credit the Current Secretary of State has reversed the Bush era practices of treats,sanctions and instead she has created alliances that are pressuring Iran through various means. Interestingly, even as she negotiates, someone has been sabotaging Iran's centrifuges and killing its senior nuclear arms makers.

As the cables also reveal, U.S. relations with Europe have been vastly improved since the end of the Bush Administration. Who would have imagined five years ago that France would have a charismatic leader who was not only an admirer of the United States, but who even vacations there with his famous wife?

Under Secretary Clinton's leadership, China is now involved in efforts to control the unpredictable government of North Korea. In the most recent crisis, the bombing of a South Korean island, China took the initiative in calling for a six-power conference.

Hillary Clinton is regarded as one of the most effective Secretary of States in the Modern era and the US is succeeding here.

Regarding the US Military and the PRC, we only have one superpower in the world today and that is not China.

 

[scroobal]

They are "messing" around in Asia just as the British, Dutch and French did 200 years ago.

The fact that you are using English and the intellectual designs and properties of the PC and the web created by the west and assembled by cheap Asian labour speaks volume.

If US think that all the treasures are in the West, they won't be messing around in Asia.

 

[Zombie]

They are "messing" around in Asia just as the British, Dutch and French did 200 years ago.

The fact that you are using English and the intellectual designs and properties of the PC and the web created by the west and assembled by cheap Asian labour speaks volume.

And you are becoming more like SamLeong...

 

[scroobal]

If your son scores 8 As, are you going to send him to India / China or to a first world country.

If your son scores Cs & Ds, would you send him to India/China or to a first world country. In both cases we all know the answer. Even your son knows the answer.


Alternatively try using something Asians designed and built to reply.

And you are becoming more like SamLeong...

 

[Cruxx]

Things change. In the 50s many were still sending their best and brightest to Ox-Bridge. Nowadays everyone wants to go to Stanford and Harvard. Fast forward another 30 years who can really tell.

The shift in power will only begin in 70-80 years time. It's too early to lick Chinese balls now.

 

[Zombie]

If your son scores 8 As, are you going to send him to India / China or to a first world country.
If your son scores Cs & Ds, would you send him to India/China or to a first world country. In both cases we all know the answer. Even your son knows the answer.
Alternatively try using something Asians designed and built to reply.

It is not surprising how this thread can degenerate into an ABCD issues.
Maybe we should just change the title.

 

[Zombie]

..and the Obama Administration's election promise was to complete the job and get out of Iraq. To this end, the Obama administration has completed its task of the Bush Admin i.e. installing an autonomous govt, and leaving the running of the country to Maliki.

But is it much more dangerous now in Iraq, than it was before the invasion?
As if they got a govt like not having any at all?

 

[Zombie]

The shift in power will only begin in 70-80 years time. It's too early to lick Chinese balls now.

As long as they are still communists, there won't be a shift in power.

 

[longbow]

I think the time scale has been compressed greatly.

You might be right but I see huge changes within next 20 years. Economic powers will be countries that have both a huge export and consumption component. The days of pure export dominance is over.

The shift in power will only begin in 70-80 years time. It's too early to lick Chinese balls now.

 

[heartlander]

I recall that when old man suggested that we send scholars to China, Japan and France other than the traditional destinations countries, there was concern that no smart kid with good academic results would not apply for China. They were right. Some level of cajoling had to take place.

There were some who didn't mind going to China, but they were in the minority. You're right - though in some cases it was more than mere "cajoling". One candidate had a place in MIT and wanted to go there, but he was told he wouldn't be offered the OMS unless he went to China. More like coercion.

 

[Cruxx]

As long as they are still communists, there won't be a shift in power.

For goodness sake, Mao Zedong has been dead for the last 34 years. The truth is that Ah Tiongs are probably the most capitalist people in Asia right now.

 

[Sideswipe]

For goodness sake, Mao Zedong has been dead for the last 34 years. The truth is that Ah Tiongs are probably the most capitalist people in Asia right now.

Capitalist Economy Yes, Chinese Communist Party tight control on the Mass Media, Political System and the Peoples of China remain.

 

[Zombie]

For goodness sake, Mao Zedong has been dead for the last 34 years. The truth is that Ah Tiongs are probably the most capitalist people in Asia right now.

Sorry, I like China but I don't trust them. :p